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ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-11 08:42:10
July 11 2010 08:27 GMT
#81
On July 10 2010 16:07 igotmyown wrote:
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On July 09 2010 12:08 ooni wrote:
On July 09 2010 11:45 igotmyown wrote:
So the US is better than the rest of the world at multiplication because it uses ounces/pounds/inches/feet/miles instead of meters and grams.

If all American kids learns pounds conversion during infancy, YES! This is infancy people. They don't even know what numbers look like. =__=

And another thing, did you just generalize chinese to all asians? Koreans don't learn chinese characters, they learn western number symbols, especially in infancy and in the US. If koreans (or maybe korean americans) aren't worse than their chinese/japanese counterparts in mathematical ability, I think this hypothesis is pretty bunk.

*facepalm*
Did you not read the OP? this is all before you learn numerals or characters 'infancy'. I demonstrated with Chinese characters because that's the order all East Asians speak for numerals, no exception (opposed to 'counting'). I mean seriously? Koreans don't learn chinese characters? WE do. I know a lot of Chinese characters, I studied them in Korea. Koreans call it 한문 (hanmoon). However we don't use them when we are doing mathematics, neither do Chinese people. The order of the words are exactly the same.
Korean 십(ten)일(one) Chinese 十(ten)一(one); Do you see it now?
I have not generalised anything that are not the same for all three languages.

On July 09 2010 23:24 gyth wrote:
Thirteen = three + ten
Forty = four * ten

Other than eleven and twelve its not really that different.
But small barriers can lead to large differences in learning.

You might look at Hebrew where they multitask their letters/numbers.


Exactly.
How is an infant going to figure out thirteen = three + ten? Didn't everyone learn thirteen before they learnt that 3 + 10?
Forty and four * ten is probably hardest connection a kid can make.
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Lucid90
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada340 Posts
July 11 2010 08:46 GMT
#82
The only real difference between asian and white SAT scores are the asian parents standing behind their kids with the strapon dildos saying "if I see anything other than an A, your going to feel the wrath of Mr. Bumpy"

I knew a lot of asian kids who were good at school, and practically ALL of them had anal parents. Asians coming into this country want their kid to succeed like crazy, so they force their kids into studying hard.
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Damian
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-11 09:51:41
July 11 2010 09:48 GMT
#83
Results of the last Math Olympics (only for pupils):

Rank Land Gold Silver Bronze Points*
1 China 6 0 0 221
2 Japan 5 0 1 212
3 Russia 5 1 0 203
4 SK 3 3 0 188
5 NK 3 2 1 183
6 USA 2 4 0 182
7 Thailand 1 5 0 181
8 Turkey 2 4 0 177
9 Germany 1 4 1 171
10 Belarus 1 4 1 167
*Teams consisted of 6 pupils, each of them could achieve 42 points (6x42=252 points total)
To obtain a gold medal you had to get above 32 points, silver above 24 points, bronze above 14 points.

> Asians dominate.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
July 11 2010 10:37 GMT
#84
Asian Math at primary and secondary school level are so much ahead of the rest of the world.

At University level, it evens out and Western colleges have more advantages because of the better faculty and resources.
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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
July 13 2010 15:29 GMT
#85
I really don't buy this. I didn't understand how the chinese numbering system worked until just recently. My first language was shanghainese... and its numbering system is probably worse than english's.

The word for 2 as in 1-2-3 is different from the 2 in 12. And 20 is a random word that makes no sense. And my math is still pretty good....
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pheus
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia161 Posts
July 13 2010 16:46 GMT
#86
This really is a thread missing the point. Good scores in exams come from wrote learning and wrote learning is the result of repetition. Asian parents (in my experience) make their kids study more therefore those kids get better grades. There's nothing more to it, there's no secret mystery based on the inflection they use when saying numbers or the colour of the pencils they study with or any other nonsense factor.

It really is no harder to understand that 11 is 10 plus 1 than it is to understand that tenone is ten plus one.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 20:49:11
July 13 2010 20:48 GMT
#87
On July 11 2010 18:48 Damian wrote:
Results of the last Math Olympics (only for pupils):

Rank Land Gold Silver Bronze Points*
1 China 6 0 0 221
2 Japan 5 0 1 212
3 Russia 5 1 0 203
4 SK 3 3 0 188
5 NK 3 2 1 183
6 USA 2 4 0 182
7 Thailand 1 5 0 181
8 Turkey 2 4 0 177
9 Germany 1 4 1 171
10 Belarus 1 4 1 167
*Teams consisted of 6 pupils, each of them could achieve 42 points (6x42=252 points total)
To obtain a gold medal you had to get above 32 points, silver above 24 points, bronze above 14 points.

> Asians dominate.


those were 2009 results; 2010 just happened (and there's a thread about it)
this year:

1 People's Republic of China 6 gold, 197 points
2 Russian Federation 4 gold 2 silver, 169 points
3 United States of America 3 gold 3 silver, 168 points
4 Republic of Korea 4 gold 2 silver, 156 points
5 Kazakhstan 3 gold 2 silver 1 HM, 148 points
5 Thailand 1 gold 5 silver, 148 points
7 Japan 2 gold 3 silver 1 HM, 141 points
8 Turkey 1 gold 3 silver 2 bronze, 139 points
9 Germany 1 gold 3 silver 2 bronze, 138 points
10 Serbia 1 gold 3 silver 2 bronze, 135 points

of course, 2/3 of the US team is Asian though Also usually, Bulgaria/Romania do better than this. It's a cultural thing: Asians and Eastern Europeans don't stigmatize math--quite the opposite. I'm surprised Iran/Romania/Bulgaria didn't do that well this year though...
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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
July 14 2010 04:20 GMT
#88
Well, I don't know that the math olympics is a good representation of overall math ability. It's really and almost exclusively the quality of the coaching that matters.
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YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
July 16 2010 04:42 GMT
#89
On July 14 2010 13:20 love1another wrote:
Well, I don't know that the math olympics is a good representation of overall math ability. It's really and almost exclusively the quality of the coaching that matters.


Well, performance in the IMO may be coaching-dependent, I don't really know. However, to get into the MOP program in the US definitely requires a certain combination of effort, desire, and natural aptitude.
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white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
July 16 2010 06:00 GMT
#90
On July 14 2010 13:20 love1another wrote:
Well, I don't know that the math olympics is a good representation of overall math ability. It's really and almost exclusively the quality of the coaching that matters.


wtf are you serious? It has to do with the individual player's will to work hard and his/her initial aptitude at math. Good coaching (or lack thereof) is a factor but there is no way in hell that its "only coaches".

The american olympic gymnastics team is coached by a lot of chinese people, does that mean the chinese coaches are the ones that earned the gold/silver/bronze? Jesus christ, why don't you think before you post.

And yes there is a stigma against being good at math in the states, its a shame.
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tissue
Profile Joined April 2009
Malaysia441 Posts
July 16 2010 16:00 GMT
#91
Even if we assume that OP is absolutely correct and Asian kids do have an advantage for their introduction to maths, he hasn't proved that it's carried forward into later proficiency. It's not a case like SC where you 14CC or whatever and your SCVs get more minerals to make more SCVs to get even more minerals than the other guy.
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