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I'm making this thread because I'm concerned about people boycotting SC2, giving 1 star on amazon and anyother sites and any kind of boycott.
Doing that you are not only boycotting Blizzard or SC2, you are also boycotting E-Sports, the progammers and ourselves!
If we boycott like that, we are going to have LESS tournaments, LESS sponsors, lesser new players and less money envolving our beloved game. its bad for everyone!
It is a loss-loss situation.
I know there is a lot of things to improve, but still no reason for that much rage YET.
so, remember:
1- we won't have monthly payment, which is superb. How can this game survive without monthly payment and no ads at the same time? its crazy if you think from this view point.
2- they let KESPA handle proleague since years and years ago, when they could just had have a big fight regarding intelectual rights. Kespa have never had any blizzard approval or anything, totally amateur in this point, and Blizzard just "closed their eyes" to it.
3- also, we did not have to pay monthly to play SC1.
4- they made a system on SC1 where other companies could make their own ladder system without any contact to blizzard, like iCCup.
I know 3 and 4 are somehow obvious and expected, but they could just be harsh or stupid to not have allowed it.
The game is still in beta, be patient, they are going to improve everything, even after the release!
If I were the Blizzard owner, I would have this thought:
- What if a company makes a new and revolutionary RTS/MMORPG game and "steal" all my SC/WoW players?
won't you think you will need a lot of money to survive any crisis, money for investment, for new games and to improve and keep what you have?
Can you guarantee that WoW will survive for so long that they can just make other games without monthly payment and no ads?
I am ignorant on this subject, how in the hell they make money if not from WoW and selling games? is this money enough for everything?
We should show the force of the SC community and vote 5 stars in every site, breaking all kind of records, so SC2 is top ranked everywhere and all the attention goes for SC2, and then a lot of companies will be willing to sponsor SC2 tournaments, more people trying the game, more sponsored teams, more progammers, more money and investment to SC2 and E-Sports overall, but maybe this is just a dream...
so, basically, say thanks to Blizzard for all they have done and wait, its not time for any kind of boycott YET.
 
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tbh i don't care about SC2 and its future as long as it doesn't affect the BW scene lol :<
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On May 30 2010 02:36 konadora wrote:
tbh i don't care about SC2 and its future as long as it doesn't affect the BW scene lol :<
Your in for a shock when SC2 is released 
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I think this guy works for Blizzard PR.
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blizzard should thank us , we're the paying customer. and we won't pay for shitty games.
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On May 30 2010 02:36 konadora wrote:
tbh i don't care about SC2 and its future as long as it doesn't affect the BW scene lol :<
sadly i agree with this
i coulnd honestly watch/play bw for another 10 more years
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ur way too optimistic dude.
i mean i was optimistic about the beta, but the whole "everything will be fine, i mean come on, its BLIZZARD!" idea isnt as sure fire as we used to think.
sc2 is going down the shithole.
and i like that you use the "no monthly fees" arguement which applies to about 1% of all games of all time. so yes blizzard. ty for not making us pay for one game over and over and over. you are too kind.
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its like..........amazing and crazy how they can not have a subscription..its almost like they arent releasing 3 full priced games...that are campaign updates, and a refreshing of the multiplayer.
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Do you really want eSports to grow?
tbh we don't need sc2... If it was a crappy game no one would buy it. sc1 would continue to be eSports.
Now we have a sc2 that doesnt suck, it has its flaws but its still just a beta. The problem is not the game, its the surrounding. Bnet2.0 is not good and it looks like it will stay that way.
What happens now, is people try to threaten blizzard, so they bring the obviously needed changes.
I'm sure the number of people boycotting sc2 is very small, so dont be afraid. Players will not be the problem, the only one who hinders the growth of eSports and sc2 as an eSports title is blizzard!
Let's just hope they are not after the quick money. ( but after much more money they can make with just a few changes -.- )
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United States1719 Posts
they didnt let kespa handle it, they had no idea esports would grow so big back then so didnt wanna invest anything into it. Now that the esports scene is at its prime blizz wants the whole pie to itself even though the company did absolutely NOTHING to foster its growth
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The Blizzard that made Brood War is gone, and I see no reason to thank Activision Blizzard for anything.
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On May 30 2010 02:30 ilbh wrote:
I'm making this thread because I'm concerned about people boycotting SC2, giving 1 star on amazon and anyother sites and any kind of boycott.
Doing that you are not only boycotting Blizzard or SC2, you are also boycotting E-Sports, the progammers and ourselves!
If we boycott like that, we are going to have LESS tournaments, LESS sponsors, lesser new players and less money envolving our beloved game. its bad for everyone!
It is a loss-loss situation.
I know there is a lot of things to improve, but still no reason for that much rage YET.
so, remember:
2- they let KESPA handle proleague since years and years ago, when they could just had have a big fight regarding intelectual rights. Kespa have never had any blizzard approval or anything, totally amateur in this point, and Blizzard just "closed their eyes" to it.
Isn't that what they've been doing for a while now, in a way?
1. Set the contract term for using its games to 1 year
2. Prior approvals about all league operations such as contracting sponsorship, marketing materials, broadcasting plan
3. License fee for running of league and all license fee of sponsorship inducement
4. Ownership of all broadcasted programs, program videos
5. Right to audit KeSPA
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123275
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On May 30 2010 02:39 CyuntiyuL wrote:
I think this guy works for Blizzard PR.
This
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They are the ones ruining massive ESPORTS potential.
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Lol, if people don't like the game people will simply not buy it...
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On May 30 2010 02:36 konadora wrote:
tbh i don't care about SC2 and its future as long as it doesn't affect the BW scene lol :<
This
Btw OP you make it sound like Blizzard is the e-sports. SC2 propably wouldn't exist without e-sports.
The blizzard that made BW is different from this money-hungry SC2-maker Blizzard.
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lol sc2 is killing e-sports
and Blizzard never even gave a penny to real E-sports, which is all handled by korea
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The game is still in beta, be patient, they are going to improve everything, even after the release!
the dude said no chat room, no cross realm play
Can you guarantee that WoW will survive for so long that they can just make other games without monthly payment and no ads?
I am ignorant on this subject, how in the hell they make money if not from WoW and selling games? is this money enough for everything?
WoW already has survived for so long, and yes I believe Blizz has enuff money already made with WoW and by selling games already...if they didn't waste money developing shitty b.net 2.0 they'd released the game probably last year.
tbh i don't care about SC2 and its future as long as it doesn't affect the BW scene lol :<
AMEN
I can care less about some shitty game that's not going to live up to our expectations
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KeSPA did more for esports than blizzard.
But blizzard is the one who gave us the esports to begin with.
Now it seems like Blizzard has come back to try and kill everything KeSPA has done for esports and i'm definately against that
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Yep, let's thank Blizzard for devolving online games by removing chat, LAN and introducing division ladder system, charging massive amounts of $$ for mandatory single player campaigns, letting others establish a professional e-sports scene and then come crashing in trying to gain control and not caring about their largely unused ladder in the aging SC1 since ICCUP does all the administration work for the competitive scene for free.
Go on and hype up a game that failed to deliver, so every single game developer points at it and says "BUT IT WORKED FOR BLIZZARD" when they remove chatting and clans but implement Twitter for all your social needs. Good plan.
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remember guys, we didn't have to pay monthly for sc1, so lets say thanks to blizzard
On May 30 2010 02:36 konadora wrote:
tbh i don't care about SC2 and its future as long as it doesn't affect the BW scene lol :<
kona quoted for truth
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Canada2480 Posts
truth is we are doing that to kill SC2 and have everyone back to Brood War
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United States1719 Posts
On May 30 2010 03:21 lokiM wrote:
remember guys, we didn't have to pay monthly for sc1, so lets say thanks to blizzard
kona quoted for truth
i could thank the old blizzzard a million times and it wouldn't be enough but the blizzard that it has become can suck my balls
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On May 30 2010 02:58 exeexe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 02:39 CyuntiyuL wrote:
I think this guy works for Blizzard PR. This
realy hope for him
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I disagree with OP, Blizzard really died in my eyes in the last month... The thing is, they had a near divine (or at least as near as a game dev company can aspire to) status in our eyes, but these are major letdowns. I will boycott SC2, but I will be keeping an eye on the development. If I see signs of improvement, I just might buy the game and it's expansions, but it will probably be at a later date. I'm sad :[.
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On May 30 2010 03:21 lokiM wrote:
remember guys, we didn't have to pay monthly for sc1, so lets say thanks to blizzard
kona quoted for truth
I'm really thankful to Blizzard about making BW so awesome
but that's about it...
they sucked and sucking at everything else
blizzard was good till early 2000...
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I have to say the fact that there is no monthly fee is what is allowing Blizzard to make such a crappy multiplayer environment. A large number of people are going to buy the game for the single player; whether or not people keep playing online on battle.net 2.0 for years and years has no effect on Blizzard's profits from people buying SC2.
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On May 30 2010 02:39 CyuntiyuL wrote:
I think this guy works for Blizzard PR.
yea. most of the people who post rubbish like this do also.
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brood war is all the game i need, even if we somehow knew for sure that sc2 would become as great as bw, why fix what isn't broken?
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OP:
I think that your post is similar to the arguments for the bailout. I also think that you are wrong in saying that boycotting SC2 is analogous to denying e-Sports.
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Blizzard is killing KeSPA, who really created the SC1 e-Sports scene.
Blizzard is making Battle.net 2.0 segregated, which is killing the e-Sport scene.
Blizzard is not allowing LAN in SC2, which is killing the e-Sports scene.
Blizzard is not listening to its community, not allowing the e-Sports scene to thrive.
Blizzard is terminating the OSL, MSL, and Proleague... the major SC1 events that gains the most views.
Doesn't seem like Blizzard really cares about e-Sports.
Honestly... nobody at Blizzard back in 2000s ever expected Broodwar to become such a great hit. Nobody expected the Koreans to take this game to such high levels. It just happened and Blizzard took credit for creating an awesome game.
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I don't buy the whole intellectual rights thing. It's like NBA should be paying James Naismith permission fees to play the game he invented. I guess that's just the nature of money driven companies however, I know SC2 wouldn't be in production just to "make a game".
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Why would I thank Blizzard for the godawful Bnet 2.0? And why would I even thank Blizz for Brood War, I paid for the product.
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if something is wrong with sc2 the fans will fix it or make it ( remember counter strike is a mod why cant there be a sc2 mod that is more efective than the real product ) the fans/players/modders have tools ICCUP is in a very diffrent ball game than the us useast ladders..
and i dont like sc2.....
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On May 30 2010 03:58 Uncle Leo wrote:
Why would I thank Blizzard for the godawful Bnet 2.0? And why would I even thank Blizz for Brood War, I paid for the product.
Thank Blizzard for BW because its such an amazing game, they deserve that much
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On May 30 2010 02:52 J1.au wrote:
The Blizzard that made Brood War is gone, and I see no reason to thank Activision Blizzard for anything.
This
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Why would we thank them for ruining a perfectly good game?
As soon as they fix B.Net i'll thank them.
Oh wait.......
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The OP has lost gasp of reality.
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Doing that you are not only boycotting Blizzard or SC2, you are also boycotting E-Sports, the progammers and ourselves!
if by programmers you mean progamers, well, Blizz isnt too concered about them, any possible feature that helps making tournaments easier is either missing or removed, such as LAN, IDs, clans, tournaments, ladder ranking, + you got the KESPA thing, now i do not want to make it look like it's their fault entirely, but the fact is active progamers do not play the game yet because of that.
plus the game is coming out in 3 parts, this does not help its competitiveness at all, it means it will have major changes in relatively short time, and a lot of money for them ofc
Im really dissapointed with the way this game is developing
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thank you Blizzard! For making SC2 in such a way that SC:BW is guaranteed to continue
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I could care less if StarCraft 2 failed. But, I fear for the future of StarCraft 1 because of what Activision Blizzard is doing these days.
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Cartman: "hey ilbh, I don't give two shits about [this] stupid ass game!!!!!!!"
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I don't care bout SC2 , BW is the best game ever
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lol i think OP is having one of those "Rosy" days and loves everything for the day ...someone made post about it the other day :p
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This sucks really, SC2 is gonna suck and SCBW is gonna die :/ I guess I'm turning to smash / other games then...
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get off blizzards balls
they are making serious mistakes and their are only limited options to protest so we have to do what we can!
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The only argument you have that's SC2 related and not BW related is the monthly access fee. BW and SC2 both have singleplayer aspects, so it's impossible to charge monthly for a single player game.
So basically you want us to say Thanks blizzard, you made SC1 a great game.
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On May 30 2010 02:36 konadora wrote:
tbh i don't care about SC2 and its future as long as it doesn't affect the BW scene lol :<
Exactly my thoughts. I'd rather watch Action vs Snow or something than Idra vs White-Ra.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
thanks blizzard, for being a bunch of dumbasses
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
except you simon
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I haven't given this much thought, I just recently found out that there would be no cross-region playing or LAN functionality at all, I don't really care about the chat-rooms though, i mean... Do we REALLY need chat-rooms? : ]
My initial thoughts on the matter is that Blizzard are being pretty dumb right now If I've understood the situation correctly. People are already talking about work-arounds on the new Battle.net and it's not even out yet. It also seems like Blizzard won't listen to their customers, paying customers.
I know 3 and 4 are somehow obvious and expected, but they could just be harsh or stupid to not have allowed it. (in reference to other "private" ladders like iCCup) Won't this be unavailable in SC2? dumb move from an eSports-growing point of view. It seems like you are praising BW (which you should), but forgetting SC2, the game in the focus 
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On May 30 2010 04:46 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
thank you Blizzard! For making SC2 in such a way that SC:BW is guaranteed to continue
Yes. Much appreciated.
Now kindly stay out of Korea too, thanks!
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blizzard of yore is not the same as the blizzard of now
different company, different people
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On May 30 2010 08:01 phosphorylation wrote:
blizzard of yore is not the same as the blizzard of now
different company, different people
and soon to be, different fan base completely
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I am also disappointed about how bnet is going, but still boycotting is like an extremist action.
in the other hand if we all support SC2 and shake the internet, SC2 gets more sponsors and etc..
I just want to see day9, tasteless, artosis, white-ra, sen, dimaga, etc. getting paid a fair amount of money because they play or work for SC2 and boycotting won't help here. Even TL.net would get more sponsors, but maybe those things only happens spontaneously.
thanks blizzard for letting us play beta, thanks for not turning your back to us and to listen to our claims(not 100%, but still). thanks for making SC2 not monthly paid and thanks for letting kespa sell your intelectual property broadcasted games for years. oh yeah and thanks for making amazing games!
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Umm SC2 doesn't even have what it takes to become an esport. I'm talking both about Bnet 2.0 and the gameplay.
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I'm sorry aren't Blizzard shutting down ICCUP and all private servers and stopping televised games etc etc?
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Fuck Activision and their cronies. I will never buy a game that Activison will profit from.
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