• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:05
CET 21:05
KST 05:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !9Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1117 users

Newb Diary: the most interesting match-up yet

Blogs > Azanti
Post a Reply
Azanti
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12 Posts
May 04 2010 01:06 GMT
#1
TvZ vs tanis on Lost Temple (I lost)

In my last TvT game I decided that I didn’t need buildings at the ramp against Terran, but Tanis was playing random, so I played safe and built at the ramp anyway. At 2:40 I see an overlord floating into my view. I send my lone marine after him, and move my rax to block the ramp. I didn’t watch the fight, but if I had I would have known the overload just scooted off over the right cliff edge and could still see my SVCs. At 5:20 I scan his base and see a roach warren and two evolution chambers. From this I conclude he’s going to mass high tech roaches and I respond by adding more bunkered rines at the ramp. At 12:17 I decide I’m ready to start moving some units out of the base – I have two bunkers full of marines and a siege tank in defense. Shouldn’t those roaches have attacked by now?

In the replay I see an overseer, at 12:29 and still in my fog of war, drop a changeling right on the edge of my base. Never seen one if these before, and oh my, is it nasty. It assumes the form of one of my marines and tanis runs the changeling all around my base getting intel. At 14:20 three overlords fly over and drop roaches and hydralisks on my SVCs. I lose a lot of troops and SVCs but I fend him off. I scanned at 18:35. But I didn’t do a very good job of looking at what I saw. In the replay it is clear that the scan revealed THREE new hatcheries in the process of being created around the Lair. Tanis had expanded to his natural and some gold minerals (again without me knowing) and was amped up enough to roll over me! Around this same time, that overlord that got away in the beginning dropped another changeling on the other side of my base – again he tromped around undetected (how do you detect changelings I wonder?)

At 20:30 he flew in five overlords and dropped a couple of roaches and the rest hydralisks on my SVCs again. This time I didn’t have enough to stop them and it was game over.

What I learned: 1) If a ground push doesn’t come by the 12-15 minute mark, it probably never will. 2) If an enemy succeeds in doing something, (ie you don’t own them when they try it) they will come back and do it again – so plan for it next time. 3) I need to do some research on changelings – they’re nasty sneaky.

I read about people complaining that Zerg are boring, but the changeling dynamic is very interesting IMO.


Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
May 04 2010 01:17 GMT
#2
On May 04 2010 10:06 Azanti wrote:
At 5:20 I scan his base and see a roach warren and two evolution chambers. From this I conclude he’s going to mass high tech roaches and I respond by adding more bunkered rines at the ramp. At 12:17 I decide I’m ready to start moving some units out of the base – I have two bunkers full of marines and a siege tank in defense. Shouldn’t those roaches have attacked by now?


Just so you know, the general counter circle in TvZ goes:
Roach > Marine > Hydra > Marauder > Roach

and around again till infinite. If you see hes Roach heavy (or pure roach) you should be building marauders, not marines.
@NvPinder on twitter | Member of Gamecom Nv | http://www.clan-ta.com | http://www.youtube.com/user/ftrunkz | http://www.twitchtv.com/xghpinder
YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
May 04 2010 01:23 GMT
#3
And also, siege tanks are your general answer to any sort of zerg ground push. They own Hydralisks and Banelings, eat through Ultralisks and do decently well against Banelings and Zerglings with M3 support. Just watch out for mutalisks and brood lords
ted cruz is the zodiac killer
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
20:00
RO8 - Day 3
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
LiquipediaDiscussion
Ladder Legends
19:00
WWG Amateur Showdown
davetesta40
Liquipedia
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:55
FSL teamleague FINALS ASHvsPTB
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 451
ProTech139
BRAT_OK 73
StarCraft: Brood War
EffOrt 583
Zeus 365
ggaemo 164
firebathero 131
Shuttle 75
Mong 36
ZZZero.O 15
Stormgate
BeoMulf128
Dota 2
febbydoto67
Counter-Strike
fl0m1173
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor358
Other Games
Grubby3465
FrodaN1724
Beastyqt821
hungrybox589
B2W.Neo403
Fuzer 95
QueenE92
XaKoH 76
ToD73
Trikslyr62
Chillindude24
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick850
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 88
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3745
Other Games
• imaqtpie1334
• Shiphtur175
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
13h 55m
Ladder Legends
20h 55m
BSL 21
23h 55m
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 12h
Wardi Open
1d 15h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 20h
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.