And now I'm doing the warranty claim on the mouse through Logitech, but the G3 is discontinued (Maybe because this was a common problem with the mouse?).
They offered me the 2 closest models which were the G500 and the MX518. Both of which are humongously bad and just upgraded versions of the old shit. I've used the MX500, MX510, and MX518 and I disliked them all. The g9x is even worse.
What I want in a mouse: Laser (can't go back to opti, laser is just so much better) Back/Forward Buttons and ofc mouse wheel Small size and low weight. Low center of gravity. Ambidextrous basic shape (none of this gaudy swirly hand forming bullshit) Basically I want this: + Show Spoiler +
What I do not want: Wireless Excessive buttons Heavy/Large Mouse Left/Right Handed only Opti or Ball (I COULD settle for a decent opti replacement, but Laser is sooo good)
On April 14 2010 12:43 TelecOm1 wrote: Mx518 FTW. I have this mouse and it's reliable / easy to get used to / comfortable + it fits all the do's / do not want's that you list =) GL ^^
no it doesn't I specifically said this mouse sucks and I don't like it.
Seriously, wtf. All the good shaped/looking mouses are all wireless WHAT THE FUCK The pictures on the site are so dumb too because they have no reference point for size The specs are so fucking dumb too, Doesn't even list everything because it's trying to bias each of them via sales tactics.
On April 14 2010 12:50 FiBsTeR wrote: What's wrong with wireless mice? I use the Logitech MX Revolution and it's awesome. I hate fumbling with wires...
lol are you joking?
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Is there a way I can take apart the new mouse and rehouse it in the G3 casing? Is there any way to troubleshoot fix the G3 on my own?
Does anyone want to buy whatever mouse I warranty for so I can just use the money to buy something I want instead?
What's wrong with ergonomic mice it's better for your hand esp during long sessions and only takes a few hours to get used to it, frankly i really dislike non right handed taylored mice because it's so awkward for me to position my fingers on the mouse properly when i have such a large hand.
G9 is a weird mouse even i who moved up from a MX518 spent like 2 3 days feeling that the mouse is awkward but after like a week i really like how wide and short it is.
But i should note i use a finger tip only kind of grip that suits high dpi mice like the G9, also i use the wide grip it's not as good for gaming but it's wide enough that my pinky doesn't drag when i use it.
It's also a heavy mouse and has large feet which doesn't make it glide quite as much as some other mice.
It's def a mouse that you have to get used to, i've read reviews about the grip plam/claw users tend to also go though a transition in getting used to how to grip a mouse like it but tend to like it after words.
As far as the two grips go
the wide grip i use for everything too lazy to swap grips and the widegrip is really comfortable.
The coarse grip is great for grip i assume, but i feels weird and tends to make my hand sweat so lol i never bothered too much with it. it's also a smaller grip.
I'd be hard to find a logitech mouse that isn't ergonomic, might have to do razer or steel series etc logitech is all about new things and ergonomics in it's business line so it fell into their gaming line and most people like ergo grips after they get used to them so logitech keeps up with that.
Best way to test a new mouse is borrow a friends lol becuase it really takes a few hours till you stop feeling awkward about holding a new mouse.
The replacement of the G3 was the G5 which was an ergonomic switch because of the sucess with the MX518 Like the replacement of the MX300 was the MX500 which was ergonomic which turned into the 510 and then MX518
logitech likes ergonomic designs people tend to like it once they get used to it, i bet if they saw a loss in sales they would have changed things. But they are sticking to what works.
Oh dang lol i should read more closely, how much "in store" credit did you get, becuase the G500 isn't a bad mouse by no means has pretty much the best lazer out there in it, the same lazer in the G9x, although holding it the rubber is a but different and most people find it off putting at first.
I have no idea how the warranty credit works, I didn't really ask. The guy told me to look at the mice on the website for something else if I didn't like the 2 suggested.
Here is a review I found and his complaints about the g500 are enough to make me hate this mouse, btw my hand is about as big as his and this is how awkwardly stupid design this ergonomic shape is.
I had an mx300 and I loved it to death. I didn't find out about the G3 until after it was discontinued, but I probably would've loved it. Now I use a razer diamondback. It took a few weeks to get used to, and it does alright, but I'd still love to have a mouse like the mx300 today.
No matter how specific you make an op, people still post exactly the dumb shit I expected. THIS IS A WARRANTY FOR LOGITECH MOUSE ONLY, WHAT I LIKE/DONT LIKE IS LISTED IN THE OP. Don't suggest some bullshit, and especially some bullshit that isn't logitech.
Does anyone have any of these new logitech mice and can give me some legit feedback on them?
Yeah i only have the G9x i owned a G5 which is like a G500 in shape i got used to it pretty well along with i owned a MX518 that mouse is noticeably smaller then the G5 so large hands may not be great there, but ionno how small the G3 was never had one.
Both the G9x and G5 worked really well for me i mean you can plam the G9x but you have to pick up the back of your hand (which is actually ergonomic lol prevents carpol tunnel) you'll have to reast it on your top of the plam it works well but i'm guess most plam grips people don't rest it as high up as the G9 makes you i'm sure it's something to get used to.
I'd say the G9x best features are for out of games it's a great windows in general mouse with it's shape etc.
You should bold that it's basically store credit in the op lol cuz i just skimmed it and skimmed over that part :D
The G500 has alot of buttons lol something to get used to but it is cheaper.
Looking though logitech mice the non ergonomic ones tend to be small portable ones meant for laptops it looks like.
Shame the G3 died my G5 mx518 still work and in fact my friends use them now sense i don't have a use for them, they are worn but work just fine after years of abuse.
Depending how you can use the warranty you might want to get something else form logitech and just buy a mouse more suited to your taste
I use the G9x. It works great. has an insane amount of dpi and u can change the dpi with the click of a button. It's also very ergonomic and although it is kind of expensive, it's worth it. has a lot of features u dont see in other gaming mouses.
I've had many Logitech Mice of the years. And I've mostly liked your company. I've had The old MX300, MX310, Mx500, Mx510, Mx518, and recently the G3. The G1 and Mini Optical were great too, but I never owned these ones. I even tried out other brands of mice including Razer. Needless to say, I was a loyal customer of your brand. Even though I disliked half of those, Logitech was the brand for me.
My G3 recently broke, and I called the customer service line to do a warranty claim. First, I was told that I needed a receipt/invoice in order to place a claim (I have replaced broken mice previously and never had to give proof of purchase). This was a huge problem because It was a Xmas gift from 2008.
After eventually getting the invoice from my relative a week later (which was only pure luck that she didn't delete the email) I called back. After about 12 minutes of hold I finally got through and the Rep informed me that the mouse has been discontinued. He then suggested 2 'similar' replacements. The G500 and the MX518, both of which are the same bulky large ergonomic shape which I detest. I have large hands and a fingertip/claw grip. I use the mouse for gaming as well as browsing and all these heavy, bulky, non ambidextrous, ergonomic, wireless, non laser, 100 button/customizations mice are just worthless to me.
I am a serious high level Starcraft and now Starcraft 2 RTS gamer, I want a mouse to be simple and perform well. I don't need all these fancy bells and whistles, I don't want an ergonomic shaped mouse that is only for 1 grip type of casual gamer. See here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82573
The MX300, The mini optical, the G1, Mx310, the G3 were all perfectly beautifully designed mice. They had the low center of gravity, low weight, simple ambidextrous design, and the latter 2 had the added back/forward buttons for browsing that did not interfere with grip for gaming. The optical mice had progressively better DPI and then the Laser mice just overtook them entirely. These were the best Mice ever created. And now they are discontinued, and for what? Some gaudy, ridiculous looking'ergonomic' bullshit with 1000 buttons and removable skins and weights.
So now, I am forced to warranty the greatest mouse I've ever seen/owned for something completely inferior and does not fill the requirements in a mouse that I have chosen.
Why do you make such great mice and then discontinue them without making a new similar model to replace it? The G500, G9x, or 518 are horrible gaming mice. They can not even come close to comparing to the the G3.
Basically my warranty is worthless, because I am not getting a replacement. I'm just going to get some garbage I really don't even want. You guys should send me a check for the price of my mouse instead. this way I can actually buy something good from another brand. Because with the current lineup of bad 'gaming' mice, or even non-gaming mice I'm never going to buy Logitech product again.
I really hope that there are similar products to the MX300, MiniOpti, G3, G1 in the future because I'd like to continue using Logitech but I just can't, the products just plain suck now.
Farewell Logitech It was nice while it lasted, Maybe some day we can get together again.
Sincerely, and no-longer-loyally-yours, Mike
So I wrote a letter to Logitech, hopefully it will get to the right place.
I use the mini optical if im using a logitech mouse.
Honestly I doubt there is actually a logitech mouse that's still on the production line that suits your needs. Unfortunately your best option right now is to switch to razer imho. Logitech mice now are for FPS players and MMO casuals, which is basically 95% of PC gamers right now.
I own 2 G3's, but the other one is in use by my sister and the other is at my girlfriends place. That's just incase your letter doesn't get you what you want.
I'm from Finland so we would have to arrange shipment and such, but I think you're going through exactly the same thing I went through when I broke my MX300 and desperately needed a new one. (I used to play Quake 3 with a very low sensitivity, in which most mice couldn't keep up with. The MX300 could.) I now have my MX300, and I'm hoping to use it until I no longer feel the need to play videogames.
I think I would be able to convince my sister into giving her G3 back to me and then I would sell it to you. I hope that this knowledge will at least cheer you up, because it was a great relief to me when I found out that someone else still had a MX300.
I would get the Mx518, sell it to a friend for like 30-40$, and then buy a G3 off of amazon. If you'd prefer not to go through the hassle, I would get the http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice_pointers/mice/devices/344 Optical Mouse. Its buttons and shape look relatively similar to the LMO (seeing as that's its mini-sized version lol), and I would assume that clicking the buttons on that mouse would be similar to that on the LMO. some of the other mice, like the LS1 Laser Mouse, seem like the new "fancy mice" for very casual computer users: extreme feedback (a very hard click sound) and difficult to get a high amount of clicks per second (as you can tell, the mouse's plastic shell seems to be made of one piece of plastic http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice_pointers/mice/devices/4610). Your beloved G3, as well as the LMO, have separate pieces of plastic for the actual mouse1 and 2 buttons, and thus clicking is so much more easy and satisfying on said mice.
tl;dr: best option would be to get popular / fairly pricy mouse, such as MX518, sell, buy G3.
If not, Optical Mouse ftw (unless they will only give replacement and no bonus for the pricedown).
You do realize optical sensor performance is better than laser sensor performance, right?
What exactly is not up to snuff with your past experiences? Out of the entire Logitech lineup, an MX518 @ 1000hz is the best active mouse in pure tracking performance.
On April 14 2010 15:07 Jibba wrote: You do realize optical sensor performance is better than laser sensor performance, right?
What exactly is not up to snuff with your past experiences? Out of the entire Logitech lineup, an MX518 @ 1000hz is the best active mouse in pure tracking performance.
The G1 is really your only option, otherwise.
based on my dual plugged G3 (2000dpi) and Viper (1000dpi), it's pretty clear that the G3 is more accurate and precise. How is opti a better performer?
On April 14 2010 15:07 Jibba wrote: You do realize optical sensor performance is better than laser sensor performance, right?
What exactly is not up to snuff with your past experiences? Out of the entire Logitech lineup, an MX518 @ 1000hz is the best active mouse in pure tracking performance.
The G1 is really your only option, otherwise.
based on my dual plugged G3 (2000dpi) and Viper (1000dpi), it's pretty clear that the G3 is more accurate and precise. How is opti a better performer?
DPI is a measure of sensitivity, or how little you have to move your mouse to move whatever virtual object you're controlling on the screen, such as your gun in a first-person shooter or your cursor in a real-time strategy game.
"Technology has progressed to a level where you can move your mouse, say, one inch on your desk, and your cursor will move 2 or 3 times your screen length. That sounds impressive for sure, but where is the real value in that?" Rom asked. "That doesn't make you more precise or accurate; I would argue that it does exactly the opposite. A higher DPI in a mouse doesn't offer a lot of value, and it is not a benchmark for how precise or awesome the mouse is. It's simply a measure of sensitivity."
Rom's argument is a simple one: go to a tournament where professional players are in the running for serious money. These are people with something real at stake, who know how to choose their equipment and settings for maximum performance. "Ninety percent of the expert gamers there will be using a DPI value between 800 to 1,600," he said. If you paid some serious money for your gaming mouse, check out its stats: it's likely it can do some multiple of 1,600 at maximum sensitivity.
well that is probably for FPS where you gotta aim small. But regardless of the DPI (I'm talking about performance out of game as well btw), it's a lot smoother and more precise, I might even have had the DPI set to a lower setting or something. It has better response and shit.
Why is opti better than laser? Several years back laser was inferior to opti because it was heavy and it skipped and shit. But now it's clean right? So it's just better all around right?
On April 14 2010 15:07 Jibba wrote: You do realize optical sensor performance is better than laser sensor performance, right?
What exactly is not up to snuff with your past experiences? Out of the entire Logitech lineup, an MX518 @ 1000hz is the best active mouse in pure tracking performance.
The G1 is really your only option, otherwise.
not anymore this is true the precision on of the MX518 or a razer diamond back G3 would be better then the lazer in the G3 back in the day,but the lazer in the G500 and G9x is the most precise lazer out there and has flawless tracking, along with features a great deal more dpi which is important to those of us with larger screens.
It's funny how we have (almost) exactly the same taste in mice. I also hate MX518 and co and all those mice with weird shapes. I also could never go back to optical.
I'm not as opposed to wirless as you are though. I use a logitech wireless for my laptop and it's awesome (I don't game with it though).
On my Desktop I still happily use my G3 (best mouse ever) and I'm sad to hear it discontinued.
If I were you I'd just choose the most expensive option, sell it on ebay and get a G3 on amazon.
mx518 or the one navi linked would be what i would go with if you're going to use that ( i know you said you don't like it ). If you're going to sell it, don't get the mx518. I don't think you even really need help here, man. Why panic about a gaming mouse? Is it the mouse making the decisions?
What I believe is your play is suffering because you have created a mental block in relation to not accepting something different about what you attributed to be the cause of your good play when in fact it wasn't.
On April 14 2010 15:48 mdb wrote: Charlie, how can you change so many mouse for such long period of time. For the last ten years I`ve had only one mx300, mx310 and now i have mx518.
On April 14 2010 16:04 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: stop breaking your mice man
I had the Mx300 from like 2000-2001/2002 and I gave it away to a friend when the clicker wore down because he didn't have an opti mouse (lol ball mouse). This was before I knew how good of a mouse it was and that I could fix the weakening click with my little technique, or warranty it. I had some random 5$ opti after that for a while and in like 2003 or 04 I upgraded to the MX500, wore that one out pretty fast (like 6-9 months), and when it weakened it (still not knowing about stuff) I got the Mx510. 04-05, I learned about how everyone loved the mx300 and went looking for the mx310 because it too loved the mx300 and it was supposedly the replacement. Once I got one I realized what bulky pieces of shit the mx500 series mice were. Wore out the mx310 clicker and got a cheapo replacement (A4 tech mouse, actually not that bad lol). Realized that I could take apart mice and do my little melt fix to prolong life of mice and went through all my old mice that I hadn't given away yet. Those all lasted me until about 06/07. In 2007 I posted about my fix guide and people informed me about the pretty simple warranty process of logitech and I got a new mx310, and the mx518 (500 or 510 discontinued at that point). I tested out the 518 for a few hours and it was basically the same as the others and I just reboxed it and raffled it off at a LAN to Quesadilla (it changed his life, he said). 2008 my new mx310 was staring to wear out (brought it to work) and I caught the really good deal for a cheap razer viper while at the same time my sister got me a g3 for xmas for really cheap. Realized that the mx310 was pretty bad compared to the g3 (shape,weight, everything was worse) Been using those 2 since then, G3 just broke though.
Almost all my mice have damaged left clickers and/or given away to friends. I still have all of the ones not given away in a box of random computer related shit and most of them have been 'healed' so many times that the plastic is brittle and wears down exponentially.
Fingertip/Claw Grip + mass gaming/computering + #2-3 rank on TL whatpulse clicks = high mouse turnover rate.
So the real question is not how do I go through so many mice, but How the hell do you call yourselves gamers and not burnout mice and/or try out all different kinds of mice?
So what have I learned from all this? Buy 2 of any mouse that you really like. Warranty them both asap (before discontinuation) so you have 4 of them that will last you a good number of years. When they actually do wear out, then you don't have to worry about getting something you won't like as a replacement. And it's not stealing/dishonest because if you're like me, you will actually wear the mouse out under it's warranty, but it might be dc'd by then.
I still use my MX300 for about 10 years now. Took out all of the weight on the first day of purchase. No problem yet. I wonder if we can still buy these online etc.
Mx518 is probably the best. I just (like, two weeks ago) got a new G500 and I'm am ridiculously happy with it, suddenly I went up to rank 35 in plat. Only slight issue with it is the side buttons, which are like half a millimeter too far back for my thumb, but I don't play world of warcraft anymore so I don't care.
edit: why didn't I get a Mx518? They were out in the particular store I went to and I cba.
edit: huh, maybe I should read through a thread BEFORE I post rather than after. Anyway, if you can't get a new G5, consider getting one of those mice you hate, because chances are you're just too used to the G5 shape and you don't give the new ones a proper chance. I didn't really like the shape of the G500 in the store but a day or two later I loved it.
i use my G5 for 3? years now and i am 100% happy. it still works, is super to move etc. only thing that i hate is that it was relatively expensive. i paid 60€ and i think 20€ was just for such stupid things like shifting weight.
hrmm, just read your other thread regarding your G3.
Sounds like the exact same faults that have happened with my MX700 and G7 mice, it's actually fixable but it does require some steady hands, maybe some tape, maybe a pair of tweezers.
Basically, what happened to mine is that the switches in the mouse suffer from metal fatigue/general wear which makes the clicks functional but unreliable. What I did to fix it was open up the mouse, carefully unbox the switch and then bend and reseat the copper (VERY ANNOYING TO DO) in order to give the switch more "flex" and then reassemble the whole thing.
Done that to my G7 about three times now; some of the screws to disassemble the mice are hidden behind the mouse feet and warranty label so if you try it then warranty in the future is completely out of the question.
Having owned two expensive logitech mice that exhibited these problems, I probably wouldn't recommend them to heavy users. The mice themselves are a pleasure to use, but i'm not sure the switches inside them were built to last.
On April 14 2010 21:13 AmstAff wrote: i use my G5 for 3? years now and i am 100% happy. it still works, is super to move etc. only thing that i hate is that it was relatively expensive. i paid 60€ and i think 20€ was just for such stupid things like shifting weight.
On April 14 2010 21:13 AmstAff wrote: i use my G5 for 3? years now and i am 100% happy. it still works, is super to move etc. only thing that i hate is that it was relatively expensive. i paid 60€ and i think 20€ was just for such stupid things like shifting weight.
overall best mouse i ve ever had.
only problem is that it is right hand only.
And that it's fucking enormous...
it's not a bad thing not everyone here has tiny asian boy hands
I was gonna post something helpful but your letter was stupid as fuck.
MX518 is easily in the top 3 of mouses ever created for gaming. If your personal opinion is that it sucks, then that's fine but it's also ridiculously ignorant.
On April 15 2010 04:26 pyrogenetix wrote: wtf they stopped the G3? I love my G3 and all these other logitechs look like they're trying to win a fashion contest.
naw they are all purpose built their gaming mice everything ha a reason on it. If you want pretty boy looks take a look at razers line up lol why else do you need glowing mice that doesn't do anything for the mouse except glow.
On April 15 2010 02:26 Ack1027 wrote: I was gonna post something helpful but your letter was stupid as fuck.
MX518 is easily in the top 3 of mouses ever created for gaming. If your personal opinion is that it sucks, then that's fine but it's also ridiculously ignorant.
Some people just don't like the shape? What's so hard to understand about that.
The MX518 and all other similar mice are just bulky pieces of shit.
Hmmm, MX518, G5 and G9X are really good. I used to use 518 till it broke, then my friend lent me a G5 until I bought a new mouse, which ended up being the G9X. I thought G5 was a great upgrade from 518, it fit my hand better and felt nice. I didn't see it being sold anywhere at the time though. So I just went with the G9X which was horrendous. I use the "Claw" grip as well and going to this mouse was very painful. For about a month I couldn't click units in SC, couldn't kill people in FPS's, yeah you get the picture. Also the mouse pushed my hand off the table, I had to keep lifting it up and putting it back on the pad lol.
After that month though I tweaked the sensitivity for each game to perfection. The mouse finally feels really nice, and just doesn't feel horribly awkward to hold. My kill rate in FPS's raised pretty drastically. I can twitch shoot headshot people very easily now, shoot people out of the air much easier, and SC micro became better. Best mouse I've owned so far, just took forever to adapt to.
G5 and MX518 are still good mice but this G9X, it just works much better for me.
On April 15 2010 04:26 pyrogenetix wrote: wtf they stopped the G3? I love my G3 and all these other logitechs look like they're trying to win a fashion contest.
Same =( I'm gonna hate the world when I get to this predicament! I love my G3 that my older bro got me for a birthday present a few years ago. I hate that they decided to cancel it!
On April 14 2010 22:18 SplashbackFerret wrote: hrmm, just read your other thread regarding your G3.
Sounds like the exact same faults that have happened with my MX700 and G7 mice, it's actually fixable but it does require some steady hands, maybe some tape, maybe a pair of tweezers.
Basically, what happened to mine is that the switches in the mouse suffer from metal fatigue/general wear which makes the clicks functional but unreliable. What I did to fix it was open up the mouse, carefully unbox the switch and then bend and reseat the copper (VERY ANNOYING TO DO) in order to give the switch more "flex" and then reassemble the whole thing.
Done that to my G7 about three times now; some of the screws to disassemble the mice are hidden behind the mouse feet and warranty label so if you try it then warranty in the future is completely out of the question.
Having owned two expensive logitech mice that exhibited these problems, I probably wouldn't recommend them to heavy users. The mice themselves are a pleasure to use, but i'm not sure the switches inside them were built to last.
Sounds similar to the plastic wear down/indention of standard plastic inner button mice. But it does not feel the same. Thanks for this, I will try and tinker with it later tonight. I might shoot you a few PMs if I need any help if that's ok.
yea, I plan to just sell/trade the mouse for a g3 or something. Problem with Razer shit is that I can't actually feel/see the stuff in person. No store carries their products, only online.
On April 15 2010 02:26 Ack1027 wrote: I was gonna post something helpful but your letter was stupid as fuck.
MX518 is easily in the top 3 of mouses ever created for gaming. If your personal opinion is that it sucks, then that's fine but it's also ridiculously ignorant.
Some people just don't like the shape? What's so hard to understand about that.
The MX518 and all other similar mice are just bulky pieces of shit.
Some people don't like starcraft. They don't like RTS. What's so hard to understand about that.
Starcraft and all other RTS are just flashy pieces of shit.
G5 suffers from the typical old style laser tracking issues.
If you move it too quickly it doesn't track your motion at all. (Sort of stalls out) The G9x hardly does logitech gaming mice any justice either.
Only thing I could remotely recommend for that shape and with the buttons would be the Razer Lachesis or Diamond back...but even those are a far cry from what you want.
K, so I finally got the scanner working and sent the invoice to Logi. They are going to replace with the g500, which I just noticed has the spec of 8 million clicks durability, which sounds pretty good. I wonder what the durability is of other mice?
But according to this, with 19.5 million clicks since 2007 almost to the day. That means I average 6.5 million clicks a year. So the mouse click is going to wear out just over a year.
Wait, you write them a letter calling the MX518 a terrible gaming mice and use the G3 as a comparison mouse? Implying that only casual gamers palm? I lol'd.
Oh and as for not being able to go back to optical mice, laser mice have a higher DPI but they have much lower malfunction speed and perfect control.
This article shows the benchmarks of the MX518 and the G3. The G3 barely beats out the MX518 in DPI, where as the MX518 crushes the G3 in both malfunction speed and perfect control
On April 16 2010 22:08 Uncle Leo wrote: Wait, you write them a letter calling the MX518 a terrible gaming mice and use the G3 as a comparison mouse? Implying that only casual gamers palm? I lol'd.
Oh and as for not being able to go back to optical mice, laser mice have a higher DPI but they have much lower malfunction speed and perfect control.
This article shows the benchmarks of the MX518 and the G3. The G3 barely beats out the MX518 in DPI, where as the MX518 crushes the G3 in both malfunction speed and perfect control
granted the mx500 or 518 are the best mice ever for gaming, its not really effecting any sc2 gameplay (the failure/mafunction rate is still humongously high on the G3).
But beyond that, the rater did not take into consideration of size, weight, or shape. which are huge factors for me and many gamers. There is a reason why all the progamers used mx300s, mini opticals, and ktec mice. they play a lot, they will get fatigued, they will get carpal tunnel.
The problem with the mice is not their technical specs, it's their physical attributes. These oversized palm grip tanks just don't cut it. And yes, palm grip is for casual gamers and computer users. Show me some scbw korean pros who use palm grip.
On April 16 2010 18:14 leejas wrote: isn't the G500 one of those super weird clunky fat mice you didn't want?
yes but I have no other choice basically. I plan to sell/trade it .
On April 16 2010 05:23 CharlieMurphy wrote: K, so I finally got the scanner working and sent the invoice to Logi. They are going to replace with the g500, which I just noticed has the spec of 8 million clicks durability, which sounds pretty good. I wonder what the durability is of other mice?
But according to this, with 19.5 million clicks since 2007 almost to the day. That means I average 6.5 million clicks a year. So the mouse click is going to wear out just over a year.
That depends if your thingy counts both your left and right clicks and side button clicks. I wouldn't care too much about the durability of such shit i mean my old mx518 G5 still work and they have years and year of heavy use on them.
On April 14 2010 13:46 CharlieMurphy wrote: No matter how specific you make an op, people still post exactly the dumb shit I expected. THIS IS A WARRANTY FOR LOGITECH MOUSE ONLY, WHAT I LIKE/DONT LIKE IS LISTED IN THE OP. Don't suggest some bullshit, and especially some bullshit that isn't logitech.
Does anyone have any of these new logitech mice and can give me some legit feedback on them?
And now I'm doing the warranty claim on the mouse through Logitech, but the G3 is discontinued (Maybe because this was a common problem with the mouse?).
Damn, no more G3s? I'll have to bookmark this thread for the day mine meets its maker...i love that mouse!
Charlie, my point was that you are calling them awful mice. When in fact they are not awful, they are just not your preference of mice because they do not work well for you. Also, in the professional FPS scenes, most pro gamers used the MX518, Razer mice (Copperhead/Diamondback), and the Microsoft Intellimouse series.
Also, how does palm grip make you casual? I am new to the SC scene, but most of the people I have met in both the Quake and CS scenes are palmers. I wouldn't call them casual, but I am sure you are going to make up some dumb reason that they are poorly skilled gamers or something.
On April 14 2010 14:52 TieN.nS) wrote: How about instead of crying, you take the G500 and eBay it and buy a G3/G1?
This...
Also just because something doesn't suit your preferences doesn't mean that it sucks... That kind of remark just convinces people that you're being ignorant. And no, palm grip is not only for casual gamers. There are perfectly legitimate and sensible reasons for each type of grip so please stop with the silly assumptions...
Best thing to do is to quit QQing and look for a G3. The ones on ebay are crazy overpriced but I found one in excellent like-new on another forum in less than an hour of searching...
The LMO is still the superior mouse. I could never buy into this DPI and laser/IR hype. You don't need a 3000 DP mouse to play freaking starcraft.
Obviously the other logitechs are designed mostly for palm grips, which happen to be the predominate grip of the casual user. The G9 is actually okay with the supplied smaller grip if you're a fingertip/claw grip user.
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