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ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-23 19:38:39
March 23 2010 19:37 GMT
#1
Ever heard of Cole Barash? Well now you have.

Cole Barash is a young American sports photographer who started at the early age of 14 (aprox). Getting picked up super fast by snowboarding industry he immediately proved himself with amazing, dynamic film photography(that's right, film, not digital).He has started using digital for convenience. His day is like: wake up > hang out with sports stars and take pictures > surf > go to airport.

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Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
March 23 2010 19:39 GMT
#2
siiick photos.
where does he usually shoot at?

Park City im assuming?
That last pic kinda looks like Tanner.
cw)minsean(ru
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-23 19:44:54
March 23 2010 19:44 GMT
#3
what does "dynamic" mean? does he do any kind of editing after taking the shot?

first and 4th photos are so sick
omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
March 23 2010 19:47 GMT
#4
Cool photos.

Can someone explain to a noob what the difference between digital and film is?
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-23 19:53:28
March 23 2010 19:52 GMT
#5
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 23 2010 19:54 GMT
#6
the photos are stylish but nothing much more than that
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iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
March 23 2010 19:57 GMT
#7
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
March 23 2010 20:11 GMT
#8
Are you saying his photo-taking skills are genius? Or do you mean he's a genius because he has a sick job? Or maybe both?
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
VTArlock
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1763 Posts
March 23 2010 20:18 GMT
#9
Wow his pictures look great! Whenever I try to do cool angled artsy photography they always look like crap...
Why?
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
March 23 2010 20:23 GMT
#10
On March 24 2010 05:11 ilovejonn wrote:
Are you saying his photo-taking skills are genius? Or do you mean he's a genius because he has a sick job? Or maybe both?

maybe "prodigy"
Nony is Bonjwa
Terrakin
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1440 Posts
March 23 2010 22:11 GMT
#11
lol, I don't think it's possible to be a photography genius. Maybe good with lighting?

also b&w= instant art
Fame was like a drug. But what was even more like a drug were the drugs.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
March 23 2010 23:17 GMT
#12
Weird angle - check
Blur every goddamn photo - check
Apply sepia/black&white/old photo filters in photoshop for no reason at all - check

Realize that underneath all that the photos are nothing special - priceless.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 23 2010 23:17 GMT
#13
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke
BalloonFight
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States2007 Posts
March 23 2010 23:54 GMT
#14
On March 24 2010 08:17 Sadistx wrote:
Weird angle - check
Blur every goddamn photo - check
Apply sepia/black&white/old photo filters in photoshop for no reason at all - check

Realize that underneath all that the photos are nothing special - priceless.


The priceless part would be that a little kid is making more money than you (probably) despite the fact that you are so high brow and artistically advanced that you can see right through his kitsch garbage
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 23 2010 23:56 GMT
#15
On March 24 2010 08:54 BalloonFight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 08:17 Sadistx wrote:
Weird angle - check
Blur every goddamn photo - check
Apply sepia/black&white/old photo filters in photoshop for no reason at all - check

Realize that underneath all that the photos are nothing special - priceless.


The priceless part would be that a little kid is making more money than you (probably) despite the fact that you are so high brow and artistically advanced that you can see right through his kitsch garbage


no, that's not priceless
that's just a sad reality
something akin to a talentless, screaming hack on the guitar making way much more money than a talented and disciplined classical pianist
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 00:00:20
March 24 2010 00:00 GMT
#16
On March 24 2010 08:56 phosphorylation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 08:54 BalloonFight wrote:
On March 24 2010 08:17 Sadistx wrote:
Weird angle - check
Blur every goddamn photo - check
Apply sepia/black&white/old photo filters in photoshop for no reason at all - check

Realize that underneath all that the photos are nothing special - priceless.


The priceless part would be that a little kid is making more money than you (probably) despite the fact that you are so high brow and artistically advanced that you can see right through his kitsch garbage


no, that's not priceless
that's just a sad reality
something akin to a talentless, screaming hack on the guitar making way much more money than a talented and disciplined classical pianist



I tend to agree, his photos do not contain too much essence, it's more in post-processing, which does not make you a photography prodigy. However I thought the last photo was remarkably good, I really like it.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 00:09:59
March 24 2010 00:03 GMT
#17
People who have not formed an eye for quality photography (if I can put it that way) seem to be overly excited when someone starts shooting photos in an unusual/unfamiliar style.

Low or ultra wide angles, strange colors and silhouettes along with gross over-editing apparently are very appealing to a great many people, even if the photograph itself is a compositional/technical failure.

Long live the purists![image loading]
BalloonFight
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States2007 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 00:15:30
March 24 2010 00:13 GMT
#18
On March 24 2010 08:56 phosphorylation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 08:54 BalloonFight wrote:
On March 24 2010 08:17 Sadistx wrote:
Weird angle - check
Blur every goddamn photo - check
Apply sepia/black&white/old photo filters in photoshop for no reason at all - check

Realize that underneath all that the photos are nothing special - priceless.


The priceless part would be that a little kid is making more money than you (probably) despite the fact that you are so high brow and artistically advanced that you can see right through his kitsch garbage


no, that's not priceless
that's just a sad reality
something akin to a talentless, screaming hack on the guitar making way much more money than a talented and disciplined classical pianist


Whats your point? Priceless is clearly not a literal term anyways. Are you telling me I can't interpret it the way I want to?

On March 24 2010 09:03 minus_human wrote:
People who have not formed an eye for quality photography (if I can put it that way) seem to be overly excited when someone starts shooting photos in an unusual/unfamiliar style.

Low or ultra wide angles, strange colors and silhouettes along with gross over-editing apparently are very appealing to a great many people, even if the photograph itself is a compositional/technical failure.

Long live the purists![image loading]



Well obviously what appeals to non-connoisseurs is going to be lowbrow to those who would consider themselves connoisseurs...if it wasn't, then purists couldn't consider themselves elite.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/03/070903fa_fact_keefe?currentPage=all
http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/11/the_subjectivity_of_wine.php
tRi[T]oN
Profile Joined June 2009
United States181 Posts
March 24 2010 00:22 GMT
#19
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke



Any real photographer knows that it isnt the camera that defines the photo its the photographer. Give someone like david la chapelle a fucking phone cam and he will stomp you even if u do have the above.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 24 2010 00:24 GMT
#20
it's not just about being high-brow and lowbrow
and it's not just about preferences and tastes either
there's something called artistic merit and substance

you were ridiculing sadistx for his assessment of the photos
now i am ridiculing your ridicule
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 00:29:12
March 24 2010 00:26 GMT
#21
On March 24 2010 09:22 tRi[T]oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke



Any real photographer knows that it isnt the camera that defines the photo its the photographer. Give someone like david la chapelle a fucking phone cam and he will stomp you even if u do have the above.


Yes, a point well made, but there is a reason why all the pros have good cameras.

In sports photography especially, you are basically useless without high-tech equipment.

Other fields like portraits or urban scenery or whatever may be more indulging on the technical side, but you won't get amazing landscapes (most of the times) without your filters/tripod/high dynamic range and you certainly won't be able to get good shots of professional athletes in low lighting condition without a decent camera and lens

phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 24 2010 00:29 GMT
#22
On March 24 2010 09:22 tRi[T]oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke



Any real photographer knows that it isnt the camera that defines the photo its the photographer. Give someone like david la chapelle a fucking phone cam and he will stomp you even if u do have the above.

no one said it's the equipment that defines the photo
stop putting words on people's mouths
but even the most skilled artists need the proper equipment to maximize their potential
sure the pianist can play an upright yamaha pretty well but it would be more inspiring if he played on a bosendorfer imperial

it's all about minimizing the technical limitations of the medium so that the artist can express himself fully and freely
unforunately, usually the more expensive the equipment, more technically unrestricting it tends to be

having said that, i don't think this photographer needs a canon 1d mark iii with this type of .. art. a nikon d40 should suffice really
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 24 2010 00:31 GMT
#23
On March 24 2010 09:29 phosphorylation wrote:


having said that, i don't think this photographer needs a canon 1d mark iii with this type of .. art. a nikon d40 should suffice really



I agree that those particular photos could have been made with the D40, however I was just making a point. Also why not use the opportunity to link a kickass picture of the Mark II, it's so freaking awesome
tRi[T]oN
Profile Joined June 2009
United States181 Posts
March 24 2010 00:32 GMT
#24
On March 24 2010 09:26 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 09:22 tRi[T]oN wrote:
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke



Any real photographer knows that it isnt the camera that defines the photo its the photographer. Give someone like david la chapelle a fucking phone cam and he will stomp you even if u do have the above.


Yes, a point well made, but there is a reason why all the pros have good cameras.

In sports photography especially, you are basically useless without high-tech equipment.

Other fields like portraits or urban scenery or whatever may be more indulging on the technical side, but you won't get amazing landscapes without your filters/tripod/high dynamic range and you certainly won't be able to get good shots of professional athletes in low lighting condition without a decent camera



Its often the lens that is more important than the camera but yes, obviously for sports shots you have to have a camera that is capable of a high frame rate. As far as dynamic range is concerned there isnt much difference in a lot of those cameras, its even less important when all you have to do is bracket the shot and use HDR in PS or similar program. People complaining about blurring stuff for no reason are just not really aware that not every photo is meant to be perfectly sharp everywhere, thats why there is shallow/deep depth of focus. everyone has their own unique style, or at least something they would like to thing is unique to them.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 24 2010 00:33 GMT
#25
5D markii FTW
Although, if I really had endless funds, I would buy a Leica M9.
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
tRi[T]oN
Profile Joined June 2009
United States181 Posts
March 24 2010 00:35 GMT
#26
On March 24 2010 09:29 phosphorylation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 09:22 tRi[T]oN wrote:
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke



Any real photographer knows that it isnt the camera that defines the photo its the photographer. Give someone like david la chapelle a fucking phone cam and he will stomp you even if u do have the above.

no one said it's the equipment that defines the photo
stop putting words on people's mouths


while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke

That was said by minus_human above, the fact that someone would consider something a joke in their profession would imply that they would not use it in order to create a decent photograph therefore he IMPLIED that the camera makes the photo. so please shhh.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 24 2010 00:38 GMT
#27
umm that's a pretty big logical leap that uve made
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 00:52:25
March 24 2010 00:42 GMT
#28
On March 24 2010 09:32 tRi[T]oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 09:26 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 09:22 tRi[T]oN wrote:
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke



Any real photographer knows that it isnt the camera that defines the photo its the photographer. Give someone like david la chapelle a fucking phone cam and he will stomp you even if u do have the above.


Yes, a point well made, but there is a reason why all the pros have good cameras.

In sports photography especially, you are basically useless without high-tech equipment.

Other fields like portraits or urban scenery or whatever may be more indulging on the technical side, but you won't get amazing landscapes without your filters/tripod/high dynamic range and you certainly won't be able to get good shots of professional athletes in low lighting condition without a decent camera



Its often the lens that is more important than the camera but yes, obviously for sports shots you have to have a camera that is capable of a high frame rate. As far as dynamic range is concerned there isnt much difference in a lot of those cameras, its even less important when all you have to do is bracket the shot and use HDR in PS or similar program. People complaining about blurring stuff for no reason are just not really aware that not every photo is meant to be perfectly sharp everywhere, thats why there is shallow/deep depth of focus. everyone has their own unique style, or at least something they would like to thing is unique to them.



Please forgive me for using an ad-hominem argument, but I don't think you are very familiar with landscape photography.
I remember following Andy Mumford's journal on deviantart, and when he bought a Nikon D3 he was astonished by the fact that it was ages ahead of his previous D80 in terms of dynamic range. He posted a few photos taked on the spot, including one of a very sunny beach and the sky + sand. This is the picture, and while it's not perfect, it is not edited at all.
[image loading]


I'm pretty sure I could never get such a photo on my EOS 400D or on a nikon d80 or whatever without filters/editing.

Also the noise levels on iso 1600 and up is just ridiculously small on the professional cameras compared to ones which cost under $1000.
tRi[T]oN
Profile Joined June 2009
United States181 Posts
March 24 2010 00:42 GMT
#29
maybe this will make things clear.
I want to race a car:

car a = joke:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


car b = decent
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 24 2010 00:49 GMT
#30
On March 24 2010 09:35 tRi[T]oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 09:29 phosphorylation wrote:
On March 24 2010 09:22 tRi[T]oN wrote:
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke



Any real photographer knows that it isnt the camera that defines the photo its the photographer. Give someone like david la chapelle a fucking phone cam and he will stomp you even if u do have the above.

no one said it's the equipment that defines the photo
stop putting words on people's mouths


while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke

That was said by minus_human above, the fact that someone would consider something a joke in their profession would imply that they would not use it in order to create a decent photograph therefore he IMPLIED that the camera makes the photo. so please shhh.



I don't understand your logic. The most expensive cameras have a DEFINITE edge over cheaper ones, it's how life works. A photographer who is a professional would use the best gear available/affordable (excluding sentimental affiliations to certain brands/products which although not rare, still are an exception).

It would feel for them as it would feel for me to pick up a $200 dollars point-and-shoot after 2 years of using the Canon Rebel XTi.

Also for your knowledge, lone professional photographers who use really low-tech equipment are a definite exception, most people remove as much of the technical limits as possible.

It's not that the camera makes the photo, it's that people who make good photos prefer good cameras. Good photos CAN be made with cheap cameras, but those are rarities and there certainly are FIELDS of photography where no matter how good you are, without the technology, your talent cannot materialize into art.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 24 2010 00:55 GMT
#31
On March 24 2010 09:49 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 09:35 tRi[T]oN wrote:
On March 24 2010 09:29 phosphorylation wrote:
On March 24 2010 09:22 tRi[T]oN wrote:
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke



Any real photographer knows that it isnt the camera that defines the photo its the photographer. Give someone like david la chapelle a fucking phone cam and he will stomp you even if u do have the above.

no one said it's the equipment that defines the photo
stop putting words on people's mouths


while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke

That was said by minus_human above, the fact that someone would consider something a joke in their profession would imply that they would not use it in order to create a decent photograph therefore he IMPLIED that the camera makes the photo. so please shhh.



I don't understand your logic. The most expensive cameras have a DEFINITE edge over cheaper ones, it's how life works. A photographer who is a professional would use the best gear available/affordable (excluding sentimental affiliations to certain brands/products which although not rare, still are an exception).

It would feel for them as it would feel for me to pick up a $200 dollars point-and-shoot after 2 years of using the Canon Rebel XTi.

Also for your knowledge, lone professional photographers who use really low-tech equipment are a definite exception, most people remove as much of the technical limits as possible.

It's not that the camera makes the photo, it's that people who make good photos prefer good cameras. Good photos CAN be made with cheap cameras, but those are rarities and there certainly are FIELDS of photography where no matter how good you are, without the technology, your talent cannot materialize into art.

only i got my used xti for 220 dollars
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 24 2010 00:59 GMT
#32
On March 24 2010 09:55 phosphorylation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 09:49 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 09:35 tRi[T]oN wrote:
On March 24 2010 09:29 phosphorylation wrote:
On March 24 2010 09:22 tRi[T]oN wrote:
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke



Any real photographer knows that it isnt the camera that defines the photo its the photographer. Give someone like david la chapelle a fucking phone cam and he will stomp you even if u do have the above.

no one said it's the equipment that defines the photo
stop putting words on people's mouths


while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke

That was said by minus_human above, the fact that someone would consider something a joke in their profession would imply that they would not use it in order to create a decent photograph therefore he IMPLIED that the camera makes the photo. so please shhh.



I don't understand your logic. The most expensive cameras have a DEFINITE edge over cheaper ones, it's how life works. A photographer who is a professional would use the best gear available/affordable (excluding sentimental affiliations to certain brands/products which although not rare, still are an exception).

It would feel for them as it would feel for me to pick up a $200 dollars point-and-shoot after 2 years of using the Canon Rebel XTi.

Also for your knowledge, lone professional photographers who use really low-tech equipment are a definite exception, most people remove as much of the technical limits as possible.

It's not that the camera makes the photo, it's that people who make good photos prefer good cameras. Good photos CAN be made with cheap cameras, but those are rarities and there certainly are FIELDS of photography where no matter how good you are, without the technology, your talent cannot materialize into art.

only i got my used xti for 220 dollars


I think more and more that that's what I should have done, because ever since I spent what felt like a fortune on my new XTi, I can't save enough for a decent lens to save my life
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 24 2010 01:08 GMT
#33
On March 24 2010 09:42 tRi[T]oN wrote:
maybe this will make things clear.
I want to race a car:

car a = joke:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


car b = decent
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]





wat
Sapraedon
Profile Joined January 2010
United Kingdom142 Posts
March 24 2010 02:38 GMT
#34
How are people still awed by photos with somewhat unusual angles and sepia/polariod filter. It's as if they can't tell what is RAW and what is post.

Also, high end camera bodies do make a major difference. A great photographer could take great photos with bad gear but thats an exception to the rule.

Anyone have any idea what OP is shooting on? Or is it a 5dMk2 w/ 70-200/18-55/50 Prime like most people these days? I can't seem to pull any exif data.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
March 24 2010 02:40 GMT
#35
Phosphorylation where is your portfolio and who do you work for?

I smell jealousy in lethal amounts. It is when people are jealous that they criticize a photographer for "sensationalist" photos, even after they know that these shots were taken for an extreme sports magazine which needs its front page to be flashy as fuck.

When you consider what the guy was hired for he was doing his job perfectly. This is not for a gallery and even then I still proclaim that those photos are beautiful. You'd have to be pretty blind not to be visually attracted to those photos.

Also people saying that "camera isn't that important blahblah" people know you need skill, but frankly it can't be bad to have a better camera.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
March 24 2010 02:42 GMT
#36
Oh and the reason I said genius is to attract viewers lol, but I really like this guy's eye and his ridic work ethic.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
March 24 2010 02:51 GMT
#37
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke


LOL I did most of my early photography for eSports using a D40X and some of my more recent concert photos. The EOS5D blows it away in terms of coping with low lighting and allowing me to edit my photos using massive/HQ raws.

I'd punch someone's granny for a 1D Mark II though :/
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
March 24 2010 02:55 GMT
#38
Also to the people who were talking about stylistic blur, move your hand closer to your face.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 24 2010 03:12 GMT
#39
On March 24 2010 11:51 NeverGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 08:17 minus_human wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:57 iSiN wrote:
On March 24 2010 04:52 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
film camera: the old school ones, require film on which the photos are printed on
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +

[image loading]


and the digital, the new-type ones. each photo is basically a 010101101 type combination (i'm guessing..)
+ Show Spoiler [pic] +
[image loading]


I know shit about photography actually, but I guess this is a very newbie question :p


You're right but the digital camera you posted is a cheap point and shoot camera he's using something a bit more expensive I'd bet...

probably looks more like this
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



actually more like this

[image loading]



while the D40 is not a bad camera, it is entry level and I'm sure any professional photographer considers it a joke


LOL I did most of my early photography for eSports using a D40X and some of my more recent concert photos. The EOS5D blows it away in terms of coping with low lighting and allowing me to edit my photos using massive/HQ raws.

I'd punch someone's granny for a 1D Mark II though :/



LOL I know, hope your not offended

love your photos btw
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 24 2010 03:13 GMT
#40
On March 24 2010 11:40 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Phosphorylation where is your portfolio and who do you work for?

I smell jealousy in lethal amounts. It is when people are jealous that they criticize a photographer for "sensationalist" photos, even after they know that these shots were taken for an extreme sports magazine which needs its front page to be flashy as fuck.

When you consider what the guy was hired for he was doing his job perfectly. This is not for a gallery and even then I still proclaim that those photos are beautiful. You'd have to be pretty blind not to be visually attracted to those photos.

Also people saying that "camera isn't that important blahblah" people know you need skill, but frankly it can't be bad to have a better camera.



OK, but I still would not have put 'genius' in the thread title with caps lock. Not by a long shot
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
March 24 2010 03:15 GMT
#41
Seen better. But still good.
Life is Good.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 24 2010 03:33 GMT
#42
On March 24 2010 11:40 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Phosphorylation where is your portfolio and who do you work for?

I smell jealousy in lethal amounts. It is when people are jealous that they criticize a photographer for "sensationalist" photos, even after they know that these shots were taken for an extreme sports magazine which needs its front page to be flashy as fuck.

When you consider what the guy was hired for he was doing his job perfectly. This is not for a gallery and even then I still proclaim that those photos are beautiful. You'd have to be pretty blind not to be visually attracted to those photos.

Also people saying that "camera isn't that important blahblah" people know you need skill, but frankly it can't be bad to have a better camera.

chill out bro
its not jealousy
its just disdain for mediocre work being praised so much
i am just a hobbyist in photography (mind you, I am a full time univ student dbl majoring in bioloyg and music, and also a serious pianist) but that doens't mean i cannot criticize "pro's" works. Same as how music critics can and should criticize msuical performances although they can't play as well as the performers. But, anyway, if you really that curious, i have some photos here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84512959@N00/


You mention flashiness. I don't think these photos are even that flashy or eye-catching (hence left with almost zero merit) Check out this thread for ski/snowbard pictures that are visually more striking AND technically more impressive.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188549
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ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
March 24 2010 03:49 GMT
#43
you do realize this guy just got old enough to drink right?

Also what you linked was mostly action shots and tacky looking imo.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 24 2010 03:54 GMT
#44
On March 24 2010 12:49 ShaperofDreams wrote:
you do realize this guy just got old enough to drink right?

Also what you linked was mostly action shots and tacky looking imo.


lol
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 24 2010 04:03 GMT
#45
and i am not old enough to drink yet
anyway
good art is good art, no matter how old the artist is
and vice versa
we look at a prodigy and admire his potential and precociousness but not necessarily his art (but this guy being over 21, is way too old to be a prodigy and his work isn't exactly promising either)

lol and these shots are not action? tacky? hmmm because he doesn't go crazy with cheap vignette, sepia-toning, toning presets?
i recommend that you hone your aesthetic, artistic sensibilities
it can really be a rewarding experience
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ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
March 24 2010 04:18 GMT
#46
i go to art school and i know 100 people who would show me identical shit to what you linked. Booooring needs creativity please.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
March 24 2010 04:27 GMT
#47
i mean seriously those shots are what every single person would think to do of people skiing. Cole Barash leans more towards the lifestyle and tours with people. This guy takes pictures of them at airports and hotels, climbing mountains and everything, not just "weee im flying!"

also no effect can be called cheap, it is only called cheap by the frightened people who are left behind in the dust.

a lot of painters called photography cheap when it started being considered art.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
March 24 2010 05:08 GMT
#48
ok whatever man
the pics you posted are far from being "creative" showing "lifestyle"
doing something different for the sake of being different is pointless
yes the effect inherently i guess is not cheap
but they are trite and almost completely stylistic ... so it's usage can be called cheap
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
March 24 2010 09:38 GMT
#49
If you want good photos of sports,
here
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/02/vancouver_2010_part_1_of_2.html

and look up part 2 as well.

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