EPTThis sucks. Mixed emotions of anger, rejection and guilt. Should I have done more? Was it wrong of me to not come into work sick? Is my education useless? Am I useless? I don't know, I'm so... fucking...
Confused.
So I just got fired
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
This sucks. Mixed emotions of anger, rejection and guilt. Should I have done more? Was it wrong of me to not come into work sick? Is my education useless? Am I useless? I don't know, I'm so... fucking... Confused. | ||
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Shade692003
Canada702 Posts
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cava
United States1035 Posts
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jOke.Baka
United States62 Posts
Better luck next time you failure. Oh and there are NOT plenty of jobs out there like shade said, so good luck with that. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:42 cava wrote: What kind of job did you have? Usually after a month at least in the US you would not have built up enough sick time to take 2 days off yet I am not sure about Sweden. What happens if you fall seriously ill? | ||
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
That's what i'm curious about. In Holland the average vacation days is around 25 a year (for someone who works fulltime). These days are actually for vacation, do whatever you want on them. And if you're sick, even if it's just the sniffles, you can just call in sick and the boss pays for those days. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1903 Posts
If it was a real job thought it would suck quite a bit T_T | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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Shade692003
Canada702 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:48 jOke.Baka wrote: Your fault for slacking. Better luck next time you failure. Oh and there are NOT plenty of jobs out there like shade said, so good luck with that. Depends on your field of study I guess. Here in Quebec it's pretty easy to get a job in the computer science field. | ||
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oob
Sweden630 Posts
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micronesia
United States24641 Posts
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deepfield1
United States373 Posts
Wow... yeah you should go in sick so they can see it and tell you to go home. | ||
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Rojam
Germany234 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:34 Osmoses wrote: Got my first job about a month ago. Got fired today, after my second day of being out sick. Apparently they thought I wasn't committed enough. This sucks. Mixed emotions of anger, rejection and guilt. Should I have done more? Was it wrong of me to not come into work sick? Is my education useless? Am I useless? I don't know, I'm so... fucking... Confused. Just the fact that you're asking if it was wrong of you not to go to work sick makes me think that you basically were able to go but didn't really wanted to. Of course there are situations where you can't even move without extreme pain, but honestly it doesn't sound like you were really disabled. Next time you know better. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On March 11 2010 00:23 deepfield1 wrote: 2 days sick in first month? That is pretty bad, I feel bad doing that in a whole year. Wow... yeah you should go in sick so they can see it and tell you to go home. yeah until they trust you or know you well you pretty much have to go in when it's physically possible so they tell you to go home first | ||
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Shymon
United States620 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:52 disco wrote: That's what i'm curious about. In Holland the average vacation days is around 25 a year (for someone who works fulltime). These days are actually for vacation, do whatever you want on them. And if you're sick, even if it's just the sniffles, you can just call in sick and the boss pays for those days. 25 days of vacation a year on average? holy balls, i need to move to Holland. in the USA you generally have to work a full year before getting a single day of vacation and then it usually starts out at 5 days a year, and maybe stopping at 3 weeks after a number of years at a company. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32044 Posts
Europe is totally different with sick/vacation days. Shit man, I met a girl who got six fucking weeks off fuck youuuuu Europe. Two weeks is generally the max vacation time you'll see and you need to put in a lot of time for that. Some places give sick days separate.... it really varies. A lot of places you get zero compensation for being sick. | ||
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Chromyne
Canada561 Posts
On March 11 2010 00:23 deepfield1 wrote: 2 days sick in first month? That is pretty bad, I feel bad doing that in a whole year. Wow... yeah you should go in sick so they can see it and tell you to go home. Yeah, I didn't even do this in high school, let alone while working. Unless I'm seriously endangering the people around me, I go to school regardless of whether I feel well or not. Just go to work, and then they'll send you home knowing themselves that you were actually sick. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:48 jOke.Baka wrote: Your fault for slacking. Better luck next time you failure. Oh and there are NOT plenty of jobs out there like shade said, so good luck with that. what the fuck is your problem. even if his firing is deserved, which is arguable, this isn't some fucking video game where you can talk shit with no real life ramifications. This is real and it sucks and there's no need to rub salt in the wounds. go look yourself in the mirror and realize your mouth is actually your rectum and your face is actually your ass. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
its not his fault for falling ill, he should however, have gotten a doctors note or something - if he was too sick to go to work. Like having a fever of 100+ or the flu of w/e | ||
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micronesia
United States24641 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
If they liked you/felt you were useful they would likely overlook the sick day thing. Otherwise it provides a good excuse to get rid of you. Look at it as part of getting to a job which is a better "fit" for you. It happens to everyone sometimes. Next time try harder if you like the place. Good luck. Edit: doctor's note means nothing. This isn't school. If they want to keep you they will. Otherwise they will not. You can't force a company to hire/retain you. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
I consider not going to work when you're a walking biohazard a sign of respect. So if I call in sick and the guy says A-OK and then fires me, that makes me rage. "Get a doctor's note"? You think I should go to a doctor and get a NOTE for being out sick from WORK for one day at a time? Whatever. They didn't want me obviously, for whatever reason. Maybe I am useless, maybe they just needed to cut something. What makes me angry is the way they handled it. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On March 11 2010 00:54 Osmoses wrote: Confusion has passed now. I am fucking raging. In part thanks to some of you assholes who seem so convinced I deserve to get fired even though you don't know shit about what I do. I consider not going to work when you're a walking biohazard a sign of respect. So if I call in sick and the guy says A-OK and then fires me, that makes me rage. "Get a doctor's note"? You think I should go to a doctor and get a NOTE for being out sick from WORK for one day at a time? Whatever. They didn't want me obviously, for whatever reason. Maybe I am useless, maybe they just needed to cut something. What makes me angry is the way they handled it. If it's any consolation, these like/dislike things are in the end mutual. Sooner or later you yourself would inevitably be unhappy there if the fit is bad (whatever "fit" means - personality, type of job, etc.). Hopefully you have some financial flexibility to make it the short term and can look at this as a long term opportunity to find something better. | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
Funny that you mentioned this actually, since I got my job 8 months ago, I've climbed some ladders and now I'm kind of an instructor for the some sections of the factory I work at, and my boss and I made the same decision as you mentioned. A guy was sick two days in the first month, but thats not really the reason we're letting him go. He appeared to just not care or be interested in his job. He just did as he was told and then sat on his ass. When you add that with 2 days of being away the first month it's not really a good sign. Now we have another guy I'm currently instructing and he came 3 days when he was sick, and the fourth day he puked and I told him to go home. He asks questions all the time, and works his ass off and appears to be really committed to getting this job, which he most def is going to get. Your post reeks of a whiner/complainer kind of guy who have had shit fall in his hands his entire life, and you come across as a person who just shows up and expects to get paid by just being there. Should I have done more? Was it wrong of me to not come into work sick? Is my education useless? Am I useless? I don't know, I'm so... fucking...confused Your education isn't useless, you're not useless, but your attitude is. Confusion has passed now. I am fucking raging. In part thanks to some of you assholes who seem so convinced I deserve to get fired even though you don't know shit about what I do. What exactly do you expect when you make a topic like this? A pat on the shoulder, telling you everything is going to be ok and they're assholes for firing you? "buhu im useless my education sucks waa waa waa" seriously grow up :p | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32044 Posts
On March 11 2010 00:54 Osmoses wrote: "Get a doctor's note"? You think I should go to a doctor and get a NOTE for being out sick from WORK for one day at a time? Yeah... that's how it's done, especially if you're new and don't want it questioned. I mean, rule of thumb, if it's little enough to keep you out for one day, you probably should not call out as someone who just started. | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
On March 11 2010 00:30 Hawk wrote: Unless it was something serious (ie, not you having the sniffles, a little flu, etc) you go in and suck it up when you first start. If anything, you go in and exaggerate to go home. Europe is totally different with sick/vacation days. Shit man, I met a girl who got six fucking weeks off fuck youuuuu Europe. Two weeks is generally the max vacation time you'll see and you need to put in a lot of time for that. Some places give sick days separate.... it really varies. A lot of places you get zero compensation for being sick. 14 weeks paid vacation, bitcheees! :D | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On March 11 2010 00:54 Osmoses wrote: "Get a doctor's note"? You think I should go to a doctor and get a NOTE for being out sick from WORK for one day at a time? In Singapore, this is required - and there are official Medical Certificates to be signed and presented for time off sick. Doesn't seem like a stretch, especially when you need to show that it's legitimate. | ||
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BlissX1
United States328 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:34 Osmoses wrote: Got my first job about a month ago. Got fired today, after my second day of being out sick. Apparently they thought I wasn't committed enough. This sucks. Mixed emotions of anger, rejection and guilt. Should I have done more? Was it wrong of me to not come into work sick? Is my education useless? Am I useless? I don't know, I'm so... fucking... Confused. Don't kill yourself. You will always have starcraft, and now you have more time. The TL communuity will now love you this much more. | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
On March 11 2010 01:14 Dfgj wrote: In Singapore, this is required - and there are official Medical Certificates to be signed and presented for time off sick. Doesn't seem like a stretch, especially when you need to show that it's legitimate. Think its different in Scandinavian countries, at our place it means fuck all since its so incredible easy to get. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
I am supposed to be doing clinicals and feel pretty bad, but I think it would be pretty irresponsible to go to work sick in a hospital. I think many health care employees are expected to though. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
If you just got hired to a new job, calling in sick twice right away makes you look like you're lazy, even if you are sick. Try not to take it personally, and understand how it can look to them. If you really are sick with something contagious, go to work anyway and they might send you home. It makes you look dedicated, and you still get your day off. If not, get a mask or something so you don't infect co-workers. | ||
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
If you don't come into work they'll think you're selfish and just want to keep your illness for yourself. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On March 11 2010 01:01 Epicfailguy wrote: Yeah two days in the first month is a lot. Funny that you mentioned this actually, since I got my job 8 months ago, I've climbed some ladders and now I'm kind of an instructor for the some sections of the factory I work at, and my boss and I made the same decision as you mentioned. A guy was sick two days in the first month, but thats not really the reason we're letting him go. He appeared to just not care or be interested in his job. He just did as he was told and then sat on his ass. When you add that with 2 days of being away the first month it's not really a good sign. Now we have another guy I'm currently instructing and he came 3 days when he was sick, and the fourth day he puked and I told him to go home. He asks questions all the time, and works his ass off and appears to be really committed to getting this job, which he most def is going to get. Your post reeks of a whiner/complainer kind of guy who have had shit fall in his hands his entire life, and you come across as a person who just shows up and expects to get paid by just being there. Your education isn't useless, you're not useless, but your attitude is. What exactly do you expect when you make a topic like this? A pat on the shoulder, telling you everything is going to be ok and they're assholes for firing you? "buhu im useless my education sucks waa waa waa" seriously grow up :p Am I the only one who thinks its weird to expect someone to come to work sick? I totally respect the guy who came to work sick until he threw up, but I sure as hell don't respect his boss for waiting until he throws up before sending him home. And then you somehow feel noble and proud for making sure he gets the job? He fucking better get the job after you put him through that shit. I made this blog because I was confused and needed answers from people who might have some insight. Not to get looked down upon by holier-than-thou-"I'm such a hard worker" pricks like you. No, I didn't love the job, it was WORK, but that doesn't mean I didn't do it to the best of my abilities. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who expects me to jump around my boss' legs like some overexcited yorkshire terrier barking about how much I love my job on top of DOING my damn job can go stuff themselves. I did my job and I still get fired, without a peep of negative feedback up until that point. I think I'm entitled to rage. | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Frits
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 11 2010 01:35 Osmoses wrote: Am I the only one who thinks its weird to expect someone to come to work sick? I totally respect the guy who came to work sick until he threw up, but I sure as hell don't respect his boss for waiting until he throws up before sending him home. And then you somehow feel noble and proud for making sure he gets the job? He fucking better get the job after you put him through that shit. I made this blog because I was confused and needed answers from people who might have some insight. Not to get looked down upon by holier-than-thou-"I'm such a hard worker" pricks like you. No, I didn't love the job, it was WORK, but that doesn't mean I didn't do it to the best of my abilities. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who expects me to jump around my boss' legs like some overexcited yorkshire terrier barking about how much I love my job on top of DOING my damn job can go stuff themselves. I did my job and I still get fired, without a peep of negative feedback up until that point. I think I'm entitled to rage. Maybe you reminded your employer of a previous slacker who used sick days as vacations and wasn't motivated in general. Whether or not that's a fair judgment of you is for you to know, but showing commitment to your job is more than just coming in sick, it's actually showing enthusiasm and a willingness to do whatever the job asks. I don't know if you demonstrated that, or thought you demonstrated it, but it could have been a factor. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
On March 11 2010 01:35 Osmoses wrote: Am I the only one who thinks its weird to expect someone to come to work sick? I totally respect the guy who came to work sick until he threw up, but I sure as hell don't respect his boss for waiting until he throws up before sending him home. And then you somehow feel noble and proud for making sure he gets the job? He fucking better get the job after you put him through that shit. I made this blog because I was confused and needed answers from people who might have some insight. Not to get looked down upon by holier-than-thou-"I'm such a hard worker" pricks like you. No, I didn't love the job, it was WORK, but that doesn't mean I didn't do it to the best of my abilities. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who expects me to jump around my boss' legs like some overexcited yorkshire terrier barking about how much I love my job on top of DOING my damn job can go stuff themselves. I did my job and I still get fired, without a peep of negative feedback up until that point. I think I'm entitled to rage. We said "if you're feeling to bad, you shouldn't be here" He said "its ok, ill just see how it goes" He throws up, and we order him home, thats pretty much what happened, we didnt force him through anything. You wrote a few lines, mostly consisting of how much you think you've failed as a human. If you wanted feedback you'd write more than "Was sick for two days, am I useless"? No one says you have to love your job, but you should show interest in what you're doing and not just "be there". On March 11 2010 01:40 Frits wrote: ... unless it's some kind of factory job. <_< | ||
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deepfield1
United States373 Posts
I assume you were on some sort of probationary period? What reason did they give you? You seem to be upset about some of the response you are getting but you really didn't tell us anything except that you got fired, and that you missed 2 days  | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
This is why the whole sick day discussion is a distraction. Move on, better luck next time. | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
If I were you I would have to tried to only have missed one day and that's it. Once your hired that does not mean that your evaluation period is already passed because like I said the first month is the one where you goes balls out. You can use any excuse you want like I was a "biohazard" or whatever but employers want someone who will prove to them that they got what it takes. Maybe they thought you were weak. Even if none of that is true first impressions are everything. Take it as a lesson learned. | ||
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lgd-haze
Sweden547 Posts
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15vs1
64 Posts
And going to the job if you are ill is just a showing off because you cant do much if you are feeling bad. | ||
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hoborg
United States430 Posts
On March 11 2010 01:36 InToTheWannaB wrote: If you were legitimate sick, and only you would know. I would not feel the least bit bad about geting fired over it. No job is worth your health, and you also have a responablity not to make your fellow workers sick. I personally hate when someone comes to work and they are like "i'm so sick!" And all I'm thinking is "stay the hell away from me then". Good luck finding new work Fucking this. Who are you people that say "oh if you're sick you should come in to work anyway to show you are committed?" If you come in to work and get other people sick you are effectively doing NEGATIVE work. If your boss expected you to come in anyway if you were sick then he's a terrible boss. On the other hand, it seems like it would be pretty common for your boss to be suspicious. They just hired you and have no idea if you're an honest person or not yet - they probably assumed you were just lazing off unless you gave them a reason to think otherwise. It would be easier and faster to prove you're trustworthy if you sucked up a little or got a doctors note or whatever. You don't have to be a suck-up for your whole career, but it's a pretty good idea to play that role for a couple months when you first get a job to get your employer to trust you. A good boss would be able to evaluate you based entirely on your performance, but, in the future, assume your boss is an idiot and you'll be better off. | ||
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iSiN
United States1075 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:48 jOke.Baka wrote: Your fault for slacking. Better luck next time you failure. Oh and there are NOT plenty of jobs out there like shade said, so good luck with that. Thank you so much plexa for banning this prick. On March 11 2010 01:01 Epicfailguy wrote: Your post reeks of a whiner/complainer kind of guy who have had shit fall in his hands his entire life, and you come across as a person who just shows up and expects to get paid by just being there. Your education isn't useless, you're not useless, but your attitude is. What exactly do you expect when you make a topic like this? A pat on the shoulder, telling you everything is going to be ok and they're assholes for firing you? "buhu im useless my education sucks waa waa waa" seriously grow up :p You need to work on your tone though Epicfailguy it's so condescending, the man just lost his job possibly his livelihood over being ill and you have the balls to call him a whiner? That's quite rude. What happened to all the Euromanner I've heard about? To be honest I really feel for you Osmoses and I hope you find another job quickly. Don't listen to the trolls or Holier than thou pricks posting here. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32044 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25977 Posts
On March 11 2010 01:35 Osmoses wrote: Am I the only one who thinks its weird to expect someone to come to work sick? I totally respect the guy who came to work sick until he threw up, but I sure as hell don't respect his boss for waiting until he throws up before sending him home. And then you somehow feel noble and proud for making sure he gets the job? He fucking better get the job after you put him through that shit. I made this blog because I was confused and needed answers from people who might have some insight. Not to get looked down upon by holier-than-thou-"I'm such a hard worker" pricks like you. No, I didn't love the job, it was WORK, but that doesn't mean I didn't do it to the best of my abilities. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who expects me to jump around my boss' legs like some overexcited yorkshire terrier barking about how much I love my job on top of DOING my damn job can go stuff themselves. I did my job and I still get fired, without a peep of negative feedback up until that point. I think I'm entitled to rage. This reply sounds like EpicFailGuy was 100% correct. Calling him a holier-than-thou prick furthers the point. You have a laundry list of expectations and things you shouldn't have to do. You have an air of arrogance and seem like you think you're better than this job. The most important thing at a new job is enthusiasm and it sounds like you had none. That is most likely why you were fired. | ||
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25977 Posts
On March 11 2010 02:37 EmeraldSparks wrote: What percent of people are actually enthusiastic about the work they do? Are enthusiastic or come across as enthusiastic? Keep in mind this is the first 30 days too. | ||
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yB.TeH
Germany414 Posts
what kind of miracle healing do you have, i think anyone would have fired you if you really have been sick you wouldnt be able to work for some days just go to the doctor next time lol, you will get at least 3days even if nothing is wrong with you and no one will complain. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28621 Posts
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FuDDx
United States5008 Posts
Good luck on future jobs. I had my first "real" job at 15 and a half a t Rallys Hamburger stand in High school.No way I could imagine getting my first job at 25. ^^ | ||
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axion
Norway110 Posts
Because if the employee rights in Sweden are anything like those in Norway, you could actually go to court and demand the job back (if you were employed and not call help). You can not fire someone for being sick. But from the post I've read here now you seem to be a big baby with the sniffles and deserve to get fired. I was actually away from work for two days just now (first time in three years). Because I was limping around with an infection in my leg, which does not work well with bartending, and yes, I got a note from my doctor. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On March 11 2010 01:35 Osmoses wrote: Am I the only one who thinks its weird to expect someone to come to work sick? I totally respect the guy who came to work sick until he threw up, but I sure as hell don't respect his boss for waiting until he throws up before sending him home. And then you somehow feel noble and proud for making sure he gets the job? He fucking better get the job after you put him through that shit. No, I didn't love the job, it was WORK, but that doesn't mean I didn't do it to the best of my abilities. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who expects me to jump around my boss' legs like some overexcited yorkshire terrier barking about how much I love my job on top of DOING my damn job can go stuff themselves. You need to learn how to play the game. In Canada, the first one - three months are usually probation, where they can fire you for anything. Now especially if you're working a job where you are easily replaced, they will fire you if they think you're not going to work out or you might be a hassle. Let me explain something to you in case you don't understand: When an employee takes a sick day, it fucks up the employer. You don't take a sick day in the first couple months unless you really need it, if you're ill. If you wake up with a stomach-ache, head-ache or a cold, you go in to work. It's not a big deal, and you're not going to infect the whole fucking staff, and even if you do, those fuckers will still be there the next day. On March 11 2010 00:54 Osmoses wrote: "Get a doctor's note"? You think I should go to a doctor and get a NOTE for being out sick from WORK for one day at a time? This is so telling. You weren't ill enough to go to the doctor, so you should be going to work. As a general rule, if you're sick enough that you need to go to the doctor, you should stay home and call in. If you wake up with a cold or just aren't feeling too hot, you go in and with any luck they'll send you home. This is your first job, and you'll either you'll learn really quick what you do when you first get a job, or you'll be consistently fired. On March 11 2010 01:35 Osmoses wrote: As far as I'm concerned, anyone who expects me to jump around my boss' legs like some overexcited yorkshire terrier barking about how much I love my job on top of DOING my damn job can go stuff themselves. Keep this shit up and you'll be fired consistently. My guess is you'll learn soon enough what you have to do and you'll be the best damn terrier you can be. | ||
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Tenryu
United States565 Posts
Also to add, you dont have to act like you love the job and act like a terrier or w/e u were talking bout. Just prove your a dedicated/hard worker and care enough bout the damn job to not get fired(which u obviously did care cuz u posted a blog bout this incident). But obviously you cant prove that by taking 2 baby sick days off in first month. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On March 11 2010 01:23 Grobyc wrote: They shouldn't be expecting you to come into work if it is rather serious, but if it's just a flu you are honestly better off toughing it out, especially if it's hard to get a job for you and there is the risk of getting fired. Unlike grade school, they probably don't give a crap themselves whether you come sick or not. Anyhow, you can always go anyway, and once they see you in person they can determine whether or not you're well enough to work without being too much of a nuisance. If it's "just a flu"? I'd be pretty pissed if someone had "just a flu" and decided to come into work and infect me with it... | ||
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Nazarene
Denmark996 Posts
Just send them job applications out again :-) Good luck finding a job that you actually enjoy. I sure as hell hope I find a job that I enjoy after I get my master's degree, or else these 5 years have really been a waste of time :-) | ||
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Chill
Calgary25977 Posts
On March 11 2010 04:30 FrozenArbiter wrote: If it's "just a flu"? I'd be pretty pissed if someone had "just a flu" and decided to come into work and infect me with it... Yep. You should use sick days when you need them - they are built into your contract and your pay rate (if you're on salary). Further, you should use them to protect the health of your coworkers. However, I can guarantee the sick days were not the ultimate source of the problem. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
and it didn't go away so i eventually went to the doctor and he told me i had bronchitis and i was coughing up blood from time to time and went on antibiotics for two weeks and even after the two weeks (three weeks now) i was still coughing badly and all the while i required like nine hours of sleep a day or something unreasonable (if i didn't get it my cough would go to shit and i would collapse) it turns out that i'm not highly infectious past the first week or so anyway it finally went away after a * month * but i guess i shouldn't have taken those days off during that first week because i should have sucked it up like a man and if i infected anyone else they should have taken it like * real men * and gotten their families sick too | ||
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PiePie
United States248 Posts
On March 11 2010 00:54 Osmoses wrote: Confusion has passed now. I am fucking raging. In part thanks to some of you assholes who seem so convinced I deserve to get fired even though you don't know shit about what I do. I consider not going to work when you're a walking biohazard a sign of respect. So if I call in sick and the guy says A-OK and then fires me, that makes me rage. "Get a doctor's note"? You think I should go to a doctor and get a NOTE for being out sick from WORK for one day at a time? Whatever. They didn't want me obviously, for whatever reason. Maybe I am useless, maybe they just needed to cut something. What makes me angry is the way they handled it. You have to prove that you are sick. If you are sick enough not to go to work, you should be seeing a doctor anyways. You are probably an honest and good person, but some people are not so proof is needed. This has nothing to do with what type of person YOU are. In addition, there are many people out there looking for jobs so you can be easily replaced. It's sad but true. Once again, this has nothing to do with what kind of person YOU are. I addition, 2 times in a month is quite a bit to be honest, although it depends what your job was specifically I guess. Once again, it has nothing to do with what type of person YOU are. Point is, this is out of your control and I do NOT think firing you was the wrong choice. In their eyes you failed to show proof, it had only been a month, and you are easily replaceable. I think for them firing you was the "right" thing to do. | ||
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FreshNoThyme
United States356 Posts
In the U.S., I've never had a job that allows you to call in sick within the first 90 days. Virtually every job here puts you on a 90 days probation period in which you can't miss a day. After those 90 days, you are legally able to call in, but it isn't a good idea within the first 6 months. I've called in to work three times in the 9 years I've been in the work force, and two were due to hospitalizing pneumonia, with the final being gallbladder removal surgery. EDIT: Salv basically said the same thing.  I lose the game. | ||
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quiong
United States268 Posts
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On March 11 2010 02:39 Chill wrote: Are enthusiastic or come across as enthusiastic? Keep in mind this is the first 30 days too. The dishonesty of pretending to be enthusiastic isn't really something worth striving for. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32044 Posts
On March 11 2010 05:01 Shauni wrote: The dishonesty of pretending to be enthusiastic isn't really something worth striving for. Then pretty much the work force of each country is doing it wrong | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
If it was an office job...meh, you should make sure when you get it in future. EDIT: Oh, but they probably just didn't like you if they didn't really give an explanation and you had a legitimate reason. Shit happens oh and it's kind of funny to see the different perspectives people in the US and Scandinavia have on the topic | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
Your attitude will show in your work, sickness or no sickness. Few people actually are enthusiastic about the work they do but many people are enthusiastic about having a job. | ||
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eXNewB
Canada291 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:48 jOke.Baka wrote: Your fault for slacking. Better luck next time you failure. Oh and there are NOT plenty of jobs out there like shade said, so good luck with that. This made me LOL right in class hahahahahahahahhahahaha so funny | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On March 11 2010 05:13 CharlieMurphy wrote: TL riding it's white horse. I bet half the kids in this thread have never even had a job. I think it's actually 6 horses. The 2 horses on the right seem to be kinda grey/black. | ||
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micronesia
United States24641 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5588 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
2 sick days in first 30? I am guessing there was more to it than that. But if you got fired for being lazy in sweden you must be some serious version of lazy lol | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Eh maybe it will make you some money if they are not allowed to fire you like that. Maybe they need a notice or warning first. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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iSiN
United States1075 Posts
On March 11 2010 05:58 eXNewB wrote: This made me LOL right in class hahahahahahahahhahahaha so funny You know he just got nuked for that post right? Don't encourage this kind of garbage on TL. This isn't 4chan. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On March 11 2010 02:15 lgd-haze wrote: It's more disrespectful to go to work sick, and take the gamble of pass it on your work mates than to stay home if you're ill. Yeah except that way too many people aren't that ill when they stay home. Actually I bet most people who call in sick could have worked anyways. There is some sort of taboo in Sweden to question this. I totally get your point though but the fact of the matter is that you shouldn't be home sick at all in the first month of a new job. Until there is a super certain way of knowing that someone is very sick and can't get out of bed, this will continue. | ||
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
Hopefully you can prevent getting sick by washing your hands a lot, having a diet rich in antioxidants, exercising daily, and getting yourself vaccinated. But if you do get sick, you should suck it up in the beginning and go to work. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On March 11 2010 04:30 FrozenArbiter wrote: If it's "just a flu"? I'd be pretty pissed if someone had "just a flu" and decided to come into work and infect me with it... Well it all depends on your manager too. My manager can be a hardass and threaten to write me up if I don't come in anyway. I would rather keep my job then piss off my co-workers. Of course if it's bad enough I'll go get a doctors note, but by just a flu I mean runny nose and coughing or something along those lines. It depends on what you do for work as well. If you sit in your office on your computer all day then there is a lesser chance of spreading something than if you work in a store handling produce all day. edit: last time I was sick I was actually pretty damn sick and went in anyway because he didn't think I was sick enough over the phone. Once I got there he confirmed I was far too sick to work and sent me home, which will most likely be the case if you go in to work sick anyway. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27139 Posts
On March 11 2010 05:13 CharlieMurphy wrote: TL riding it's white horse. I bet half the kids in this thread have never even had a job. I bet the people who have made the strongest points have. His attitude stinks. He is 24/25 years old working his first job and he thinks the workplace owes him everything. If you are too sick to work, you get a doctor's note. If you simply call in sick for two days and stay home in the first month, you will have a poor reputation branded on to you. These are things I learned working at McDonalds when I was 16. It is just unfortunate that he has chosen to wait so long to learn simple life skills. | ||
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Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:53 Cloud wrote: 1 month and already 2 days without showing up? This isn't college dude. ^^ | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On March 11 2010 04:48 RANDOMCL wrote: As others have said: In the U.S., I've never had a job that allows you to call in sick within the first 90 days. Virtually every job here puts you on a 90 days probation period in which you can't miss a day. After those 90 days, you are legally able to call in, but it isn't a good idea within the first 6 months. I've called in to work three times in the 9 years I've been in the work force, and two were due to hospitalizing pneumonia, with the final being gallbladder removal surgery. EDIT: Salv basically said the same thing. I lose the game.what lol? It pretty sad that you feel so obligated to be a perfect worker when you (or if not you, others) are getting screwed over by companies on a daily basis in business friendly America. Also, pretty sure it isn't against the law to call in sick on your first day. Probably legal for them to fire you though. Then again they can fire you for just about anything in America if they want and unless you are black or a woman nobody will think twice about it. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
(unless you're an employer, then you should hire me :D) | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:41 Shade692003 wrote: Plenty of jobs out there. It's like a woman dumping you. There's alot of fishs in the sea. Ummmm we all don't have a PhD | ||
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PiePie
United States248 Posts
and not everyone is charming/good looking | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7870 Posts
On March 11 2010 07:04 Manifesto7 wrote: I bet the people who have made the strongest points have. His attitude stinks. He is 24/25 years old working his first job and he thinks the workplace owes him everything. If you are too sick to work, you get a doctor's note. If you simply call in sick for two days and stay home in the first month, you will have a poor reputation branded on to you. These are things I learned working at McDonalds when I was 16. It is just unfortunate that he has chosen to wait so long to learn simple life skills. Ouch at the sickle and the hammer in your icon. Just like that, no offense.  | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
At my job, alot of times even if you are sick, you still have to go into work and tough it out. I do construction, and there are deadlines to meet. If you are not showing up because you are ill, then those deadlines are messed up, and you get in way more trouble than you would if you just sucked it up and went to work. Also, how long were your shifts? If you are only working 8hours or less, you might as well just tough it out, because really, 8hour shifts blow by soo quickly. If it was a 12 hour shift, then yeah that would probably suck to grin and bear it for that long. At any rate, I dont agree with all of the personal attacks towards your character. It's very easy for everyone here to get the wrong idea of you lashing out and being ungrateful, when really you are probably just angry at a few comments, and defending yourself. goodluck looking for work in the future, and as always...lesson learned | ||
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yooniball
United States21 Posts
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bluegoo
United States141 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
To OP maybe they just didnt want you. But you need to learn from this. 2 days off work w/o emergency situation in your first month is alot. Cos the first few months you are in, everybody is watching you. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
That's the advice that should've been given. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 11 2010 13:08 Caphe wrote: When I used to work. I only leave work 2 days in one year. But I can come late 5/10 minutes if i want. And that is in Vietnam. I'd expect a much stricter work discipline in developed countries. To OP maybe they just didnt want you. But you need to learn from this. 2 days off work w/o emergency situation in your first month is alot. Cos the first few months you are in, everybody is watching you. it completely depends on the job but usually most office jobs don't really care when you come in. i can come in anytime between like 8 and 930 and nobody's gonna care long as i put in the work and am there for the core hours of course this is different if you're meeting external deadlines (i.e. working on trading floor etc) @OP, sorry man, such is life. but to be fair.. it sounds like it was a pretty trivial "sickness" if it only affected you for a day or 2, so you should have come in. a runny nose/coughing/sneezing isn't going to hurt anyone. even a slight fever is no big deal. now if you are feeling nauseated, or puking, etc. then you stay home. surely you can see how the two are different edit @ack, don't be naive if they can't fire you for being sick, they can find something else, if they really want to let you go | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
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Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
And for you people talking about pissing off coworkers getting them sick, I'd be much more pissed off picking up the slack of being understaffed because someone who hasn't even proven himself called in on account of runny nose. Come in sick and they'll send you home if it's legit. For the record, I've worked labor intensive kitchen shifts when I couldn't bend my knee because it'd swollen from bruising to three times its normal size. These bruises gotten of course from working the same shifts. Eventually I got it drained at a hospital after a week of not going down. But, when I did finally have to call in sick one weekend, it was well understood to be legitimate without even a doctor's note. I'm kinda wondering what jobs half the posters here work where they are unenthusiastic and call in over trivial stuff. Never been in the corporate world though, maybe it works different lol. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
The second day I called for a sick leave. They still love me. They thought you were slacking off, that's why they fired you (yes I'm stating the obvious here, but w/e). IMO, they were a little bit too strict over this matter but hey it's their company and it's how they treat people. I guess you wouldn't fit there anyway. Is that a big firm? Did they spend a lot of time on the recruitment process? | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On March 11 2010 03:19 Liquid`Drone wrote: you can come to norway and get a job, you don't get fired for being sick and you'll have lots of fellow countrymen to work with.. like 25% of my co-workers are swedish lol. Haha true since even a ape can get a job in norway, you don´t even need a education to earn good money  I would have kick also kick one that calls in sick 2 times without a doctors attest, since it´s at least 10% of a monthly workingtime. | ||
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7870 Posts
On March 11 2010 22:52 29 fps wrote: is it possible that the OP's boss didnt like him and just used the sick-days thing as an excuse to fire him? Everything is possible. Nobody has a single idea about anything in this whole story: what was the job precisely, what was his relation with other people, how did he work, what the boss was thinking and why and how, how sick he was, etc etc etc etc without which everything is just silly speculations and judgement made out nothing. But, oh well, people love to make great sentences without having a clue. The only decent thing to say is that one is sorry for this guy who lost his job, that shit happens and good luck for the future. And that maybe, to quote one of the clever post of this thread, gotta be careful next time. Obviously, it's more entertaining to say that lolroflyouloserhahahayouaresodumbwtf. | ||
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
I think it's terrible if there is such distrust from an employer that you have to show a doctor's note after just one sick day. I believe it's normal practive in Denmark (with many variations, of course) that if you are sick for around four days in a row, you show your employer a doctor's note, just so that they know they are not being yanked around. If people have to bother about getting a doctor's note (instead of resting at home), I'm sure it won't be benificial to their recovery process, so it wouldn't really be in the interest of the employer. I think it shows a lack of respect for your employees if you do not allow people to be sick. And yes, depending on the work, sick days can be quite detrimental to the work place, but really, two days in a month a lot - it simply requires that you get sick once a twice, which is not inconceivable. That said, given the words of Osmoses, I don't think the sick days did it, like many other said. I think that you have a realize a lot of things lie in non-verbal communication. No one likes working with someone who doesn't seem invested or gives off a bad vibe. Often your exterior will show much more than you think, even things you're not consciously feeling. I think it's important to try to be positive about work and make the best of it. When you have just started in a new work place, you are still being evualuated. Therefore, if they make judgements about your character, they will not provide you with "negative feedback", but simply take not of this. Once they decide to keep you, I'm sure they would be much more open to feedback, but first they need to see who you are. In Denmark I believe there is a legal three-month evaluation period at the end of which the employer can decide whether to hire you. After that, it gets much more difficult to fire you and also they have to pay for your loss of salary if they fire you immediately (otherwise you would get to work for whenever length the notice for firing someone would be). So, with this in mind, employers are much more careful while people are still in their evaluation period. You shouldn't lose all confidence because of this incident, but keep in mind that they might be insecure and have a tough time of knowing whether to keep you. In my old working place, a guy displayed some signs of chronical sickness within the first three months. So, even though he was doing decently and was appreciated at the work place, they did not dare to keep him. From what I understood of what people were saying afterwards, this had apparantly happened to him in other jobs before, and it unfortunately seemed unlikely that he would be able to keep down a regular job. Another guy had worked with us for over a year, but then suddenly stayed away for a longer period of time. He might have been generally sick, but because he didn't seem to care to stay in contact and didn't emphasise about the situation, both my boss and his colleague grow more and more disillutioned over him, and in the end he was let got (on a technicality; fired in absense or failure to comply with some request, I believe). Another guy was sick quite frequently in periods, legitimately, and people had been moaning about this as well, but he was quite talented and had a good work spirit. Even though eventually my boss was demanding more documentation and explanation, he was kept on board and is a crucial part of the team. The doctors eventually got it right, and I believe he's doing much better today, even if his sickday average might still be slightly higher than most others. Edit: All of the above said, I personally have quite high work morals, and in my five years of work experience, I have only had a single sick day. I have certainly been to work a few times where I was barely standing (didn't feel at any risk of contaminating others). Still, I guess generally I have just been quite healthy and I have loved whatever work I did. I never felt forced to come to work agianst my will, which I guess also increased my sense of responsibility. | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
and everyone's giving him the YDI. | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
On March 11 2010 00:54 Osmoses wrote: "Get a doctor's note"? You think I should go to a doctor and get a NOTE for being out sick from WORK for one day at a time? . In a word, yes. I don't know your entitlements or local rights insofar as time off/sick leave are concerned, but by your own admission it was your first month at the place. You should have played it much safer IMO. For all they know, you're some slacker calling in sick because you had a big night out with the boys. | ||
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
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lastprobeALIVE
United States973 Posts
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Always
United States376 Posts
if you were really too sick to go into work, it's outside of your control anyways. unless you think you might be able to get your job back, move on! it's the last thing you want to hear, but the first thing you should do =) | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7870 Posts
On March 23 2010 08:50 lastprobeALIVE wrote: dont feel bad! as for the op his attitude sounded like crap, you cant go into a job thinking you're at the top of the totem pole when you're really at the bottom and have to work your way up. obv your boss didnt think you were a necessity if he fired you that easily. BUT you can learn from this experience and try again! Why on earth did you need to bump this thread for saying somethinng that everybody said before you? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:41 Shade692003 wrote: Plenty of jobs out there. It's like a woman dumping you. There's alot of fishs in the sea. Haha | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 12 2010 04:03 Asjo wrote: I'm sorry to hear about the attitude in this thread. They way I see it, if people are sick, they should stay home. If they are just feeling bad, they can evaluate whether they feel it's necessary to stay home, and if they do, you should respect that. People should take care of themselves, and if they do, I'm sure it will be the better for everyone in the end. I think it's terrible if there is such distrust from an employer that you have to show a doctor's note after just one sick day. I believe it's normal practive in Denmark (with many variations, of course) that if you are sick for around four days in a row, you show your employer a doctor's note, just so that they know they are not being yanked around. If people have to bother about getting a doctor's note (instead of resting at home), I'm sure it won't be benificial to their recovery process, so it wouldn't really be in the interest of the employer. I think it shows a lack of respect for your employees if you do not allow people to be sick. And yes, depending on the work, sick days can be quite detrimental to the work place, but really, two days in a month a lot - it simply requires that you get sick once a twice, which is not inconceivable. That said, given the words of Osmoses, I don't think the sick days did it, like many other said. I think that you have a realize a lot of things lie in non-verbal communication. No one likes working with someone who doesn't seem invested or gives off a bad vibe. Often your exterior will show much more than you think, even things you're not consciously feeling. I think it's important to try to be positive about work and make the best of it. When you have just started in a new work place, you are still being evualuated. Therefore, if they make judgements about your character, they will not provide you with "negative feedback", but simply take not of this. Once they decide to keep you, I'm sure they would be much more open to feedback, but first they need to see who you are. In Denmark I believe there is a legal three-month evaluation period at the end of which the employer can decide whether to hire you. After that, it gets much more difficult to fire you and also they have to pay for your loss of salary if they fire you immediately (otherwise you would get to work for whenever length the notice for firing someone would be). So, with this in mind, employers are much more careful while people are still in their evaluation period. You shouldn't lose all confidence because of this incident, but keep in mind that they might be insecure and have a tough time of knowing whether to keep you. In my old working place, a guy displayed some signs of chronical sickness within the first three months. So, even though he was doing decently and was appreciated at the work place, they did not dare to keep him. From what I understood of what people were saying afterwards, this had apparantly happened to him in other jobs before, and it unfortunately seemed unlikely that he would be able to keep down a regular job. Another guy had worked with us for over a year, but then suddenly stayed away for a longer period of time. He might have been generally sick, but because he didn't seem to care to stay in contact and didn't emphasise about the situation, both my boss and his colleague grow more and more disillutioned over him, and in the end he was let got (on a technicality; fired in absense or failure to comply with some request, I believe). Another guy was sick quite frequently in periods, legitimately, and people had been moaning about this as well, but he was quite talented and had a good work spirit. Even though eventually my boss was demanding more documentation and explanation, he was kept on board and is a crucial part of the team. The doctors eventually got it right, and I believe he's doing much better today, even if his sickday average might still be slightly higher than most others. Edit: All of the above said, I personally have quite high work morals, and in my five years of work experience, I have only had a single sick day. I have certainly been to work a few times where I was barely standing (didn't feel at any risk of contaminating others). Still, I guess generally I have just been quite healthy and I have loved whatever work I did. I never felt forced to come to work agianst my will, which I guess also increased my sense of responsibility. I think what he said is really good. You should either avoid being sick, or have extremely good work-ethics / experiences / abilities to make up for it. | ||
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minus_human
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On March 10 2010 23:48 jOke.Baka wrote: Your fault for slacking. Better luck next time you failure. Oh and there are NOT plenty of jobs out there like shade said, so good luck with that. Well that was...encouraging | ||
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devil`
United States176 Posts
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Thrill
2599 Posts
On November 18 2010 03:13 Sufficiency wrote: I think what he said is really good. You should either avoid being sick, or have extremely good work-ethics / experiences / abilities to make up for it. Yes, this was a highly relevant bump. It took us eight months, but i'm glad we finally got this thread right. You should have put it in spoiler tags though, some people may want to keep trying to figure out this puzzle for themselves. | ||
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Ian Ian Ian
915 Posts
On March 11 2010 00:33 d_so wrote: what the fuck is your problem. even if his firing is deserved, which is arguable, this isn't some fucking video game where you can talk shit with no real life ramifications. This is real and it sucks and there's no need to rub salt in the wounds. go look yourself in the mirror and realize your mouth is actually your rectum and your face is actually your ass. No need to baby him into believing it wasn't his fault.. | ||
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