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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
February 20 2010 20:19 GMT
#1
I was thinking alot today about how different progamers have different styles, on how some rely a bit more on incredible mechanics, some on innovative builds, some on cheese etc...

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge on which progamers were the most "efficient" at playing, and by this I mean, who did the most with the least APM, I'm a firm believer that APM doesnt equal skill linearly, but something makes certain progamers able to compete with less APM than others, if so, do you know who these are? I remember hearing alot about how Savior had unusually low APM, its this I mean, Savior managed to do everything he had to do with remarkably (or compared to the others at least) few actions per minute.

So who are the players right now who manage to play really good with low APMs? Which players have really high APM?
Do you guys know?

*
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
February 20 2010 20:23 GMT
#2
Movie 240-270 APM
Stork 260-320 APM
Fantasy 280-320 APM
Flash 280-320 APM

Flash and Fantasy are definetly the most efficient, especially judging by their styles, you'd never think that Fantasy is a low APM player(terran wise). And ofc Oov/Savior back in their primes
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
February 20 2010 20:32 GMT
#3
I would really never imagine that Fantasy has comparatively low APM, especially how you often hear on the strategyforums that the strategies he employs, such as the Iloveoov Build (TvP) and doing Fake Mech etc are much more mechanically demanding (=moar APM) than the "regular" styles that you may learn from Flash.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
February 20 2010 20:32 GMT
#4
Nal_ra
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
February 20 2010 20:33 GMT
#5
On February 21 2010 05:23 samachking wrote:
Movie 240-270 APM
Stork 260-320 APM
Fantasy 280-320 APM
Flash 280-320 APM

Flash and Fantasy are definetly the most efficient, especially judging by their styles, you'd never think that Fantasy is a low APM player(terran wise). And ofc Oov/Savior back in their primes

Definitely Stork, Flash and Fantasy. Movie does not belong in that group, simply because he's not at their level, so his lower apm might actually be hurting him.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
February 20 2010 20:36 GMT
#6
sea
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
February 20 2010 20:39 GMT
#7
On February 21 2010 05:36 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
sea


Wow I never saw his apm due to him never going deep in the OSL, but I just checked his reps and 280-320 apm is pretty sick for him, although he is basically a Flash with unrefined builds/game sense.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
February 20 2010 20:40 GMT
#8
On February 21 2010 05:23 samachking wrote:
Movie 240-270 APM
Stork 260-320 APM
Fantasy 280-320 APM
Flash 280-320 APM

Flash and Fantasy are definetly the most efficient, especially judging by their styles, you'd never think that Fantasy is a low APM player(terran wise). And ofc Oov/Savior back in their primes

I think these are even a bit high. My bwchart averages for saved reps:

Stork: 245
Fantasy: 255
Flash: 295

compared to

Idra: 319
Bisu: 360
Jaedong: 391
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
February 20 2010 20:42 GMT
#9
Stork, Flash, and Fantasy come to mind immediately, as mentioned before.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
February 20 2010 20:44 GMT
#10
Heaven[30D.O.M] imo
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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
February 20 2010 20:45 GMT
#11
cgrinker: 23


That's pretty efficient.
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
February 20 2010 20:45 GMT
#12
On February 21 2010 05:44 Mindcrime wrote:
Heaven[30D.O.M] imo


500 apm T lol
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
February 20 2010 20:46 GMT
#13
On February 21 2010 05:40 3clipse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 05:23 samachking wrote:
Movie 240-270 APM
Stork 260-320 APM
Fantasy 280-320 APM
Flash 280-320 APM

Flash and Fantasy are definetly the most efficient, especially judging by their styles, you'd never think that Fantasy is a low APM player(terran wise). And ofc Oov/Savior back in their primes

I think these are even a bit high. My bwchart averages for saved reps:

Stork: 245
Fantasy: 255
Flash: 295

compared to

Idra: 319
Bisu: 360
Jaedong: 391


The thing is with replays, if you actually have a replay they are probably arent even playing their best in that game since PL/OSL/MSL games are not released and all you have is leaked practice games + foreign tourneys. Stork plays really low apm in foreign tourneys because he doesnt really care too much, and I would assume their apms are much higher in OSL matches where their career is dependant on it. Someone has to check some of the post osl records I guess.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
February 20 2010 20:46 GMT
#14
How much of this is really EAPM? I never do anything that... doesnt actually DO anything in my game, except warming up with 1212121212 in the beginning, and going F2F3F2F3 a few times to make sure my locations are working (same with comsats)
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 20:51:01
February 20 2010 20:49 GMT
#15
forget eapm. Eapm is really flawed

Also i dont know if its the same as efficient but sea and bisu are known to be one of the cleanest pros mechanically. For efficient ill probably have to say oov and savior.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
February 20 2010 20:54 GMT
#16
by.hero is the least efficient for sure.
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The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
February 20 2010 20:56 GMT
#17
jaedong..391 apm?
wtf..-_-; his fingers must be really good on bojis...
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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
February 20 2010 20:58 GMT
#18
Stork, Movie, Best and Fantasy are all sub 250. I've seen replays where Best and Movie go well below 200 late game.

Theres nothing special about these players, they spam less and probably have slightly weaker 1a2a3a4a5a and muscle reaction, but it doesn't matter too much.

Obviously Really is the main incredibly fast high level pro right now.

Most zergs are pushing 350 as well. Kwanro, hero, Jaedong, Luxury. Even amateurs like Terror had over 350.

Don't see what this thread is really meant to prove though, I have faster hands than Flash, but who'd win......
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 20 2010 21:04 GMT
#19
On February 21 2010 05:58 Piy wrote:
Stork, Movie, Best and Fantasy are all sub 250. I've seen replays where Best and Movie go well below 200 late game.

Theres nothing special about these players, they spam less and probably have slightly weaker 1a2a3a4a5a and muscle reaction, but it doesn't matter too much.

Obviously Really is the main incredibly fast high level pro right now.

Most zergs are pushing 350 as well. Kwanro, hero, Jaedong, Luxury. Even amateurs like Terror had over 350.

Don't see what this thread is really meant to prove though, I have faster hands than Flash, but who'd win......

no
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
February 20 2010 21:08 GMT
#20
On February 21 2010 05:23 samachking wrote:
Movie 240-270 APM
Stork 260-320 APM
Fantasy 280-320 APM
Flash 280-320 APM

Flash and Fantasy are definetly the most efficient, especially judging by their styles, you'd never think that Fantasy is a low APM player(terran wise). And ofc Oov/Savior back in their primes

Judging by OSL finals games, Movie is closer to 230 apm.
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