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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
February 20 2010 21:21 GMT
#21
i wonder if thats one of the main things cj coaches look for in new players. Like really strong decision making, creative and efficient players. Besides effort it just seems a lot of cj players are slower then most like iris, savior, bbyong, movie
ils
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KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
February 20 2010 21:52 GMT
#22
My gut reaction is iloveoov, but is the OP asking about current players or not? Oov dominated TvZ (arguably the most mechanically demanding matchup) for an entire year without losing a single game. He also has the most championships of a 'low APM' player, and has changed the metagame of StarCraft on multiple occasions.
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
February 20 2010 21:55 GMT
#23
If you've seen Jaedong's FPVODs you have to count him definitely too.

He almost never spams, yet gets his APM to ~ 350.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 22:06:02
February 20 2010 22:03 GMT
#24
^ yeah just because someone is slow doesnt mean their efficient and just because they're fast doesnt mean they spam

I remember talking with ver about this about what it means to be efficient. Like ver and me have the same apm range yet what we do with our apm is so different. While im basically 1a2a3a and cycling my key constactly hes macroing, expanding with his.
ils
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
February 20 2010 22:03 GMT
#25
On February 21 2010 06:52 KP_CollectoR wrote:
My gut reaction is iloveoov, but is the OP asking about current players or not? Oov dominated TvZ (arguably the most mechanically demanding matchup) for an entire year without losing a single game. He also has the most championships of a 'low APM' player, and has changed the metagame of StarCraft on multiple occasions.


Indeed, Iloveoov didn't rely much on mechanics, would miss occational depots etc, but had such an amazing game sense that made up for this.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
February 20 2010 23:07 GMT
#26
Grubby - 180apm (you didn't mention they had to be SC pros).
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GW.Methos
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States249 Posts
February 20 2010 23:29 GMT
#27
flash all day
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buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
February 20 2010 23:30 GMT
#28
I judge efficiency on how consistent they are with production of units, therefore Flash has to be the most efficent. I've seen games of his where he's attacking, defending, and yet his CCs and factories go on producing units as usual.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
February 20 2010 23:38 GMT
#29
Not By.Hero hehehe.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
February 21 2010 00:20 GMT
#30
Savior's APM is like 10.

OK more like 200 but still.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 03:23:06
February 21 2010 03:21 GMT
#31
Past players with "low" APM (relative to other players in similar/lower skill group):

Grrrr (maybe too old)
nalra
iloveoov
savior

Currently, movie probably has one of the lowest apms among players his level (<250 iirc from OSL finals). Flash probably has the lowest apm among the S class (not sure about stork).

Kwark has crazy low APM for someone his level; tt1 not as low, but still fairly slow comparatively.

edit:

I guess the point is that high APM is not a necessity, but it definitely helps once you are up there. Someone once made an analogy between APM in SC and height in basketball that I thought was very fitting.
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ragnasaur
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States804 Posts
February 21 2010 19:58 GMT
#32
tsunami: 70 apm
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Imagist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia484 Posts
February 23 2010 16:03 GMT
#33
You can debate how good he is, but I had heard Upmagic averages about 210.
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MonkeyMania
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 16:44:04
February 23 2010 16:43 GMT
#34
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 23 2010 16:53 GMT
#35
how old are the flash replays those apms are from? i know he used to be slower but i think he tends to be up towards 350 now. him and jaedong also have the highest eapms ive seen by 10+
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
February 24 2010 01:17 GMT
#36
should be almost a year ago
ils
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 24 2010 01:25 GMT
#37
What are you guys talking about with Flash being slow? 99% sure he's always been known to be one of the fastest along with Jaedong, able to average 400 in multiple games.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
February 24 2010 04:21 GMT
#38
show me games where he averages 400
ils
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 24 2010 04:32 GMT
#39
On February 24 2010 10:25 Pokebunny wrote:
What are you guys talking about with Flash being slow? 99% sure he's always been known to be one of the fastest along with Jaedong, able to average 400 in multiple games.

Well, if you download the Pro-replay leak, from a few of the replays I observed (note: I didn't check his APM too often), his APM was more around the 320-340 marks, generally in the 330 range. Granted, they are practice games, so its not a perfect indicator, but it wasn't 400 in those.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 24 2010 04:35 GMT
#40
Stork comes to mind easily. He's always been one of the best Protoss players and currently he's playing better than Bisu. He's always lamented over the fact that Bisu is much faster than him and he said he was putting more effort into playing faster last year a while ago.
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