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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
As I began my one hour journey back home, I slowly thought about how the finals could have been better handled.
And imo, they were more or less handled the best they could have been.
Let's begin with the key issue that trigger all the nerdrage in the LR thread. Flash was applying consistent pressure on the key 7 o'clock dual-gas expansion with his 2-2 MnM force, while Jaedong was on four gas and was slowly pushing Flash back. Flash was just about to start his mineral-only expansion. At this moment, the power fails and later on, after analysis by KeSPA, the game was given to Jaedong.
Now, many people posted about how there should have been a rematch. I, too, at first thought about a rematch. But then as I slowly calmed down and collected my thoughts, I felt that KeSPA made the best possible decision they could.
What they did was:
- Didn't ask players for opinions
- Analysed the VOD right til the moment of crash (not the replay)
I believe that their decision was a wise one.
Flash would probably have wanted a rematch because he would have believed that he would be able to take down the 7 o'clock soon. Also, what if he had dropships (which we would never know due to the non-existence of a replay) and was able to take down the 3 o'clock expansion? What if Jaedong forgot to make defilers and due to poor positioning, lost all his ultras? What if Flash then slowly made his comeback from there? You get my point.
Jaedong, on the other hand, would not have wanted one. His defiler usage is excellent, and being on four gas at that moment, he would have been confident in being able to fend off the pressure on 7 o'clock, as well as any other attempts by Flash to shut down his other mining expansions. Nydus canals were also placed down, which makes counting this possibility out rather unreasonable. Furthermore, he was ahead in terms of upgrades (while Flash was on 2-2, Jaedong's ultras were on 2 attack, 5 armor. Flash also had very little vessels for a 2-port SK Terran).
Logically speaking, Jaedong is the obvious winner, but for KeSPA, it isn't really that easy. If both players were to argue their case, what would KeSPA then do?
Go for a rematch?
Or not?
Either way, there will be talks of favoritism, which will further stain this already tainted MSL (as well as KeSPA, which was notorious for making rather brainless decisions). Hence, I believe this was the right move by the referees. If replays were available then it would have been much easier to come to a decision for which everyone would agree on, but since all players, observers and referee in the game were disconnected (although this makes me wonder, wouldn't there be the LastReplay auto-save? Or does it get corrupted?), we can't do much about it.
Well of course, KT couldn't just sit back and watch their young boy being handed out an automatic loss without fighting til the end. It's Starcraft, who knows what might happen? Did we know TT would lose to sAviOr on Neo Requiem 5 minutes into the game? I think not. Same went for game 3 of the clash between these two titans.
KT reportedly went to contest KeSPA's decision, which they felt was unfair. With KeSPA saying no, KT's coach, staff and the entire team decided to walk over, dragging Flash along.
This led to the insanely long dragging of time. The poor commentators had to consistently think of new lines for almost 2 hours as people tried to get Flash back to playing. MBCGame had to constantly run commercials to fill in the blank time so as not to create chaos in the studio (although with mobile internet, this might still have happened anyway). We may not know what was on Flash's mind at the period of time (I have yet to check Fomos or Daily eSports), but there would be no doubt that this would have negatively affected Flash as he was stuck between the option of continuing the series as he's down 1 game "unfairly" (once again, this may change according to Flash's thought at that moment) and the option of just walking over in protest - something that just screams "no sportsmanship".
We may not have seen the actual Flash in the 4th game. Sure, most of his games on Fighting Spirit involved going standard opening (no 8rax, etc) and winning with sheer mechanics and may blame the decision made in the 3rd set for Flash's choice of build order in the fourth, but I think regardless of the outcome in the third, Flash still may have gone for 8 rax - a mindgame he was willing to play against Jaedong.
However, you can definitely notice some hints of Flash's concentration dropping, for example when he let Jaedong's ling get past his natural, check his main and giving away the fact that he was going 2 rax academy. The Flash on EVER 2009 OSL wouldn't have let this happen. Who wouldn't when you have:
- Your father raging so hard that he had to be escorted out?
- Your entire TEAM decides to make you walkover
- You were just given a loss for a game you may have been able to win
Jaedong went on to simply outplay Flash in the fourth game, similar to the third game (though in the fourth set, Flash did seem to play slightly worse) and was crowned the winner of the Nate 2009 MSL.
From today's games, I feel that Jaedong deserves this title. Then yet again, questions flow into my mind.
"What if Jaedong won the third set after fighting it out to the end instead of being given a free win that left a bitter aftertaste on both players? Would Flash have chosen another build for Fighting Spirit? How greatly would that have affected the results today?'
"What if MBC was able to prevent this?"
These questions will forever remain unanswered, and I rest tonight with a bitter thought. How should I say this...
It's like going to a prestigious restaurant and having a meal of your life, but not without having a nasty encounter that left a bad impression on the place nevertheless. Something like that I guess.
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pretty much agree with this. Goddamn that was the worst power outage ever 
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I'm gonna copy my own comment from the other thread .....
So the way i see it Kespa giving JD the win was the better decision . So the one who fucked up the series is not Kespa but MBC of course and to a good degree KTF and Flash's dad ? They raged out and started going berserk at the Kespa referee , when the more sane approach should have been just cheering up Flash and telling him to not lose focus on his next game .
It's unfortunate that Flash had to go through all that , but Jaedong's win is as legit as they come .....
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if there had been a replay, would that have been better or worse?
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Would of been an epic game if this didn't happen
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Thanks kona, you're refreshingly sane.
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Agreed... given the unfortunate circumstances, I think this was the best Kespa could do.
But yeah. Shitty fucking power outage.
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
On January 23 2010 23:44 29 fps wrote:
if there had been a replay, would that have been better or worse?
I believe it would have been better
We would get to check what was going on both players' base at that point of time, whether Flash was going to get another expansion, was his upgrades almost done to 3-3, was he getting dropships, etc etc.
My point is that the results would have been much easier to come to a conclusion to, and with hard and concrete evidence at hand, both parties would be satisfied with the outcome.
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Canada5565 Posts
On January 23 2010 23:52 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 23:44 29 fps wrote:
if there had been a replay, would that have been better or worse? I believe it would have been better We would get to check what was going on both players' base at that point of time, whether Flash was going to get another expansion, was his upgrades almost done to 3-3, was he getting dropships, etc etc. My point is that the results would have been much easier to come to a conclusion to, and with hard and concrete evidence at hand, both parties would be satisfied with the outcome.
His upgrades were already 3-3, but yeah, replays are good lol
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United States12607 Posts
As far as I can tell, this is the meat of your argument for awarding the game to JD?
Either way, there will be talks of favoritism, which will further stain this already tainted MSL (as well as KeSPA, which was notorious for making rather brainless decisions). Hence, I believe this was the right move by the referees
Useful post for someone who wants a recap of the events, but I think your position is pretty conclusory :/
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here's my opinion:
i don't think there is a totally fair solution to the problem. although it would definitely be unfair to call for a rematch when jaedong had the advantage, i think it would be even more unfair to give flash a loss
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:02 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 23:52 konadora wrote:On January 23 2010 23:44 29 fps wrote:
if there had been a replay, would that have been better or worse? I believe it would have been better We would get to check what was going on both players' base at that point of time, whether Flash was going to get another expansion, was his upgrades almost done to 3-3, was he getting dropships, etc etc. My point is that the results would have been much easier to come to a conclusion to, and with hard and concrete evidence at hand, both parties would be satisfied with the outcome. His upgrades were already 3-3, but yeah, replays are good lol
I couldn't really tell, it seemed like 2-2 in the VOD
On January 24 2010 00:23 JohnColtrane wrote:
here's my opinion:
i don't think there is a totally fair solution to the problem. although it would definitely be unfair to call for a rematch when jaedong had the advantage, i think it would be even more unfair to give flash a loss
But then again, giving a rematch would be even more unfair to Jaedong than Flash. Kinda unfortunate for this to happen.
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If I were jaedong in this situation, as soon as the game ended I would probably agree to a rematch if the kespa referees asked me. When the referees instead just announce a win, I would take it, probably a bit surprised, and then expect game 4. But then instead I have to wait an hour while KT just argues with the referees. After that hour, if kespa asked me if I wanted a regame, I would say no immediately. It's one thing to be about even in the game, it's another thing to waste an hour of my time.
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I'm sorry but this blog post reeks of JD fanboism.
The decision to award someone a free win in a final is NEVER a good decision. The game ends when GG is typed and only then, everything else is re-game. We've seen much much bigger comebacks.
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:27 fallingdream wrote:
I'm sorry but this blog post reeks of JD fanboism.
Sorry but I'm not a Jaedong fan.
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On January 24 2010 00:27 fallingdream wrote:
I'm sorry but this blog post reeks of JD fanboism.
The decision to award someone a free win in a final is NEVER a good decision. The game ends when GG is typed and only then, everything else is re-game. We've seen much much bigger comebacks.
No one said it was a good decision, but it was the right one. Forcing Jaedong to play a rematch would be way more unfair.
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GG MBC for making the players play in a virtual studio for no reason and not being able to prevent the blackout.
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On January 24 2010 00:25 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 00:02 Xxio wrote:On January 23 2010 23:52 konadora wrote:On January 23 2010 23:44 29 fps wrote:
if there had been a replay, would that have been better or worse? I believe it would have been better We would get to check what was going on both players' base at that point of time, whether Flash was going to get another expansion, was his upgrades almost done to 3-3, was he getting dropships, etc etc. My point is that the results would have been much easier to come to a conclusion to, and with hard and concrete evidence at hand, both parties would be satisfied with the outcome. His upgrades were already 3-3, but yeah, replays are good lol I couldn't really tell, it seemed like 2-2 in the VOD Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 00:23 JohnColtrane wrote:
here's my opinion:
i don't think there is a totally fair solution to the problem. although it would definitely be unfair to call for a rematch when jaedong had the advantage, i think it would be even more unfair to give flash a loss But then again, giving a rematch would be even more unfair to Jaedong than Flash. Kinda unfortunate for this to happen.
that's true, but the other option is giving the game to jaedong which imo is the most unfair solution of the two. its either nobody wins this set OR somebody is given the win
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:47 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 00:25 konadora wrote:On January 24 2010 00:02 Xxio wrote:On January 23 2010 23:52 konadora wrote:On January 23 2010 23:44 29 fps wrote:
if there had been a replay, would that have been better or worse? I believe it would have been better We would get to check what was going on both players' base at that point of time, whether Flash was going to get another expansion, was his upgrades almost done to 3-3, was he getting dropships, etc etc. My point is that the results would have been much easier to come to a conclusion to, and with hard and concrete evidence at hand, both parties would be satisfied with the outcome. His upgrades were already 3-3, but yeah, replays are good lol I couldn't really tell, it seemed like 2-2 in the VOD On January 24 2010 00:23 JohnColtrane wrote:
here's my opinion:
i don't think there is a totally fair solution to the problem. although it would definitely be unfair to call for a rematch when jaedong had the advantage, i think it would be even more unfair to give flash a loss But then again, giving a rematch would be even more unfair to Jaedong than Flash. Kinda unfortunate for this to happen. that's true, but the other option is giving the game to jaedong which imo is the most unfair solution of the two. its either nobody wins this set OR somebody is given the win
I was thinking about the possibility of ignoring the third set and adding on another map instead, then I realised that the map pool isn't big enough, players would have only practiced according to the given map order and etc.
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The best thing would be to forget this entire event, post-pone the finals one month and take it from there.
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Imagine it would've been the final set-_-;;
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Don't worry. I'm sure there will be future less-fucked up Flash vs Jaedong finals.
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On January 24 2010 01:06 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Imagine it would've been the final set-_-;;
that's a good point.
Even tho I can accept that the people who know SC better than me say that Jaedong had a big lead, somehow, if it had happened in a final set, I simply can't imagine them awarding that game to Jaedong.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
im fucking disappointed and sad
i really wanted flash to win and its not like i hate jaedong or anything.
godamnit
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On January 24 2010 01:30 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 01:06 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Imagine it would've been the final set-_-;; that's a good point. Even tho I can accept that the people who know SC better than me say that Jaedong had a big lead, somehow, if it had happened in a final set, I simply can't imagine them awarding that game to Jaedong.
Thats not what I wanted to say.
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Decision belongs to Kespa, doesn't really matter if it was fair or not.
I believe however that Flash could obtain indemnities against MBC, based on his loss of a chance to win that match, and the series.
Edit : also,
+ Show Spoiler +
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"What if Jaedong won the third set after fighting it out to the end instead of being given a free win that left a bitter aftertaste on both players? Would Flash have chosen another build for Fighting Spirit? How greatly would that have affected the results today?'
"What if MBC was able to prevent this?"
These questions will forever remain unanswered, and I rest tonight with a bitter thought. How should I say this.
summirez everything i'm felling at the moment...
btw keep us updated on the gossips and drama related to this on fomos pleaseee
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MBC is incompetent. Kespa is incompetent. I guess we'll just have to accept this in future matches.
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I totally agree with konadora. A rematch would have been unfair, too. Jaedong had a big lead, and he`s not one of those players, who give away such an advantage. Flash, of course, was very angry - and don`t forget that this kid is just 17 years old. He tilted in game 4, while Jaedong didn`t.
I feel kinda sad that this final always will be remembered as the final, where the lights went out. Both players were playing very well until that s... happened. Game 1 showed perfect mutalisk control, game 2 was fantastically played by flash. (maybe Jaedong thought: "hey, I`m not Kwanro, so let`s give guardians a try  ). Game 3 was completely amazing, almost no mistakes by Jaedong here. And game 4 was just crap. Flash (being on tilt) stupidly all-ined, there's just no excuse for attacking a zerg base with 3 sunks when you`ve got 1 medic in your army.
On the other hand, I can understand Flash's rage a bit. He practiced like a maniac, and as a player, who is born to win, he just couldn`t be calm and sit back and say: "well, I would have lost this game almost for sure."
I hope they'll face each other again, soon. They are the best players of the world. A final such as this is a disgrace to their skill.
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United States42191 Posts
On January 24 2010 02:15 littlechava wrote:
MBC is incompetent. Kespa is incompetent. I guess we'll just have to accept this in future matches.
The problem in this case is that kespa were surprisingly competent. They had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the issue and resolved it fairly, surprising everyone who expected their generic "crash always equals regame" response. Kespa's competence in actually looking at the game before making a decision is what caused all the drama. They really shouldn't be getting any flak here.
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Best thing would be to rehost the final in two weeks or something.
Jaedong cannot be happy about this outcome neither, there will always be voices who say he did not deserve this trophy.
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They didn't handle it well at all. And no, I'm not talking about their decision, which was contestable but probably as fair as any alternative all things considered. I'm talking about how they enforced that decision.
When a ref. makes a call in any sport in this kind of situation then once the call has been made there must not be any doubt about whether it might be undone. None whatsoever. Allowing for the coaches and parents of players to come and argue against it for nearly an hour is ludicrous; it's detrimental both to the audience (obviously) but also the players! Think about it, if Flash had simply been told "We're awarding JD the point, please prepare for the 4th game" and that was the end of that, then I have no doubt that Flash would have been much more able to put it behind him and play the next game with a clear mind.
Instead he has to sit and stew over it for an hour while his parents and coaches flip out. That would have made it exponentially harder to just put it all behind himself and carry on as normal.
I mean, making a bad call is one thing, it's human and can be forgiven in the long run. But what they ended up doing called into question the entire integrity of the system, ruined it for the audience and worst of all ruined it for the players (Flash specifically).
So no, I don't think they handled it well at all. I think they handled it about as poorly as they possibly could.
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On January 24 2010 02:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 02:15 littlechava wrote:
MBC is incompetent. Kespa is incompetent. I guess we'll just have to accept this in future matches. The problem in this case is that kespa were surprisingly competent. They had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the issue and resolved it fairly, surprising everyone who expected their generic "crash always equals regame" response. Kespa's competence in actually looking at the game before making a decision is what caused all the drama. They really shouldn't be getting any flak here.
I already said on a German forum that we got a lose-lose situation and for my part KeSPa did the right thing with giving the win to Jaedong. But like in every lose-lose situation you will never find common ground with the people who support the other decision...
I for my part completely agree with you and the decision that was made, lesser evil was chosen.
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On January 24 2010 02:42 KristianJS wrote:
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Good post, there should have been no room for debate, I totally agree.
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On January 24 2010 02:45 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 02:22 KwarK wrote:On January 24 2010 02:15 littlechava wrote:
MBC is incompetent. Kespa is incompetent. I guess we'll just have to accept this in future matches. The problem in this case is that kespa were surprisingly competent. They had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the issue and resolved it fairly, surprising everyone who expected their generic "crash always equals regame" response. Kespa's competence in actually looking at the game before making a decision is what caused all the drama. They really shouldn't be getting any flak here. I already said on a German forum that we got a lose-lose situation and for my part KeSPa did the right thing with giving the win to Jaedong. But like in every lose-lose situation you will never find common ground with the people who support the other decision... I for my part completely agree with you and the decision that was made, lesser evil was chosen.
I'll give you guys that. I was just angry after seeing game 3 end like that, so I jumped on Kespa because they have a history of fuckups.
But MBC definitely fucked up here.
On January 24 2010 02:42 KristianJS wrote:+ Show Spoiler +They didn't handle it well at all. And no, I'm not talking about their decision, which was contestable but probably as fair as any alternative all things considered. I'm talking about how they enforced that decision.
When a ref. makes a call in any sport in this kind of situation then once the call has been made there must not be any doubt about whether it might be undone. None whatsoever. Allowing for the coaches and parents of players to come and argue against it for nearly an hour is ludicrous; it's detrimental both to the audience (obviously) but also the players! Think about it, if Flash had simply been told "We're awarding JD the point, please prepare for the 4th game" and that was the end of that, then I have no doubt that Flash would have been much more able to put it behind him and play the next game with a clear mind.
Instead he has to sit and stew over it for an hour while his parents and coaches flip out. That would have made it exponentially harder to just put it all behind himself and carry on as normal.
I mean, making a bad call is one thing, it's human and can be forgiven in the long run. But what they ended up doing called into question the entire integrity of the system, ruined it for the audience and worst of all ruined it for the players (Flash specifically).
So no, I don't think they handled it well at all. I think they handled it about as poorly as they possibly could.
I didn't notice this since I watched the games on Youtube. They really took an hour?
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On January 24 2010 01:30 alffla wrote:
im fucking disappointed and sad
i really wanted flash to win and its not like i hate jaedong or anything.
godamnit
i try to not think about it...
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ok i didnt watch LIVE and watched the replays from baezzi's upload,i didnt get to see flash's dad rage T_T i hope someone has a clip or screenshot of those.All i have to say is that the msl final is really really screwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeddddddd,the powr failure led alot of people down and i am disappointed to win like this.Flash didnt have the mood to play in game 4,that was sad.
but the greatest thing was+ Show Spoiler +
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As someone who has no allegiance to either player and just enjoys watching their high level play, many of the responses to what happened just seem ridiculous to me.
The power went out. It sucks.I feel equally bad for both players.
Did it ruin everything? No, I thought the first half was an enjoyable series to watch.
Did it ruin Flash's ability to play? Possibly. But professional players need to play consistently regardless, and I think Flash is a capable and mature enough player to go on with the show with full enthusiasm after such an incident.
But really, the rabid fanboyism and hilarious bias seen throughout TL in the past 24 hours is just embarrassing.
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Agreed. Although, the best solution IMO is renting backup power generators to prevent shit from happening.
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On January 24 2010 00:27 fallingdream wrote:
I'm sorry but this blog post reeks of JD fanboism.
The decision to award someone a free win in a final is NEVER a good decision. The game ends when GG is typed and only then, everything else is re-game. We've seen much much bigger comebacks.
I'm sorry but this post reeks of Flash fanboism
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
@KristianJS:
They did inform Flash as they announced the decision. It was the coaching staff, team and his parents who decided to drag it on for an hour as the referees and other staff tried to convince them to get Flash to continue playing.
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On January 24 2010 03:31 justiceknight wrote:...i didnt get to see flash's dad rage T_T ...
Watching it live wouldn't have helped. They showed only commercials for 2 hours...
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On January 24 2010 10:13 konadora wrote:
@KristianJS:
They did inform Flash as they announced the decision. It was the coaching staff, team and his parents who decided to drag it on for an hour as the referees and other staff tried to convince them to get Flash to continue playing.
The point is that this shouldn't be allowed to drag on for more than 5 minutes at most. They should have been absolutely firm and said "either Flash accepts the ruling and plays on or he forfeits the series, end of discussion". Letting his freaking DAD and coaches yell at them for an hour to change it is so unprofessional it's laughable.
Can you imagine something like this happening at any other serious sport? Of course not, it'd be ludicrous. It's not their decision which ruined the finals, it was (besides their incompetence at allowing the power failure to even happen in the first place of course) the fact that once they made the decision they weren't even capable of enforcing it properly.
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you were raging so hard i didn't want to say anything
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On January 23 2010 23:31 konadora wrote:
As I began my one hour journey back home,
In Singapore? Did you cross the border or something to watch the MSL?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
It seems you typed a lot of words Mr. Konadora but I fail to see how a bunch of KESPA retards analyzing a VOD instead of a replay (if rep was even possible but anyways..) and taking two hours to make a decision is wise.
That's just me though.
(Letting it get dragged out by coaching staffs parents etc. only proves how unsure of their decision they actually were and how much authority they lack. Idiots.)
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On January 25 2010 03:23 Rekrul wrote:
It seems you typed a lot of words Mr. Konadora but I fail to see how a bunch of KESPA retards analyzing a VOD instead of a replay (if rep was even possible but anyways..) and taking two hours to make a decision is wise.
That's just me though.
(Letting it get dragged out by coaching staffs parents etc. only proves how unsure of their decision they actually were and how much authority they lack. Idiots.)
They made the decision to give JD the win quite quickly. They took 2 hours to convince KT to let Flash play on.
When I first heard that JD was given the win I was a bit shocked, I thought they would regame because it was pretty close. Only afterwards when seeing the replay of the VOD did I see how far ahead he was, and I also agree it was the best decision they could have made. They had to screw over one of the players, and in this case JD was far enough ahead that giving him the win was the right decision
Its a pity such an epic final was ruined, but we did get 3 great games from it at least.
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rekrul basically summed up my thoughts
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KT made a fool of themselves by making it impossible for Flash to win the fourth set. In sports you always get shit like this. Always. And there is nothing you can do about it. When the ref says it's gonna be like this, only thing you can do is smile, vow to kill him later, and get on with it. That Flash's team was not professional enough to understand this, was what hurt this finals the most. Parents are a different cup of tea. And I agree with KristianJS that MBC/Kespa could've done their bit in forcing the issue, but you've got to keep in mind that they didn't want to have Flash and KT walk out. In my opinion, MBC/Kespa did the right thing, and it is the staff of KT that should ask themselves if it wouldn't have been smarter to act differently.
I do agree with Rekrul though that Kespa once again shows insecurity where there should be none. Also, that there are no decisive rules about this sort of thing really bites them in the ass. Unprofessional from MBC, from Kespa, and from KT. The only two who acted mature were the actual players, Flash and Jaedong.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:27 Hamster1800 wrote:
If I were jaedong in this situation, as soon as the game ended I would probably agree to a rematch if the kespa referees asked me.
But you're not the one who made it to the MSL finals.
It doesn't matter what you or any of us would have done in Jaedong's shoes, and not just because we're not Jaedong.
Ask yourself how much determination, ambition, and competitive drive it takes to make it to the MSL finals in the first place. Ask yourself how much work you would have to invest to make it that far. Ask yourself what kinds of emotions you'd be feeling up there on the stage after the power outage, and the amount of adrenaline that would be running through your veins.
In addition, Jaedong had earned an advantage in that game. Not decisive, but an advantage nonetheless.
Ultimately, one could be the most generous and considerate person in the world outside of the game. And I'm sure a part of Jaedong feels guilty about it, too. But in that moment, no one who made it that far would turn away that win.
I expect Jaedong is going to catch a lot of flak for not volunteering a rematch, even though he deserves none of it.
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(Letting it get dragged out by coaching staffs parents etc. only proves how unsure of their decision they actually were and how much authority they lack. Idiots.)
So DQing Flash would have made things better? lol
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Let me start this off by saying I was cheering for Jaedong in the MSL finals, so nobody can accuse me of being a Flash fanboy... but even as a JD fan, that game 3 was complete crap.
I've heard a lot of people saying "yeah sure, Flash was behind but he could have come back... anything could have happened" ... I've even heard people say "Jaedong was way ahead he definitely won" ... and not just random people, but respected progamers have said that including NonY.
I did a detailed review of the VOD, to confirm that Jaedong won fair and square... and sadly the fact of the matter is Flash was ahead when the power went out. As I said I'm not basing that by any means on Flash fanboyism... I wanted JD to win. I actually spent about an hour and a half watching every aspect of the VOD and there is really no question about it... Flash won game 3.
I could be wrong... and I would appreciate it if a top level Zerg player, such as Day[9] could have a look at the VOD and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.
Firstly, there are 3 main facts of life when it comes to late game TvZ as Zerg...
1) Firstly, since Terran is the most cost efficient race in the game, and Zerg is the least, the Zerg player needs at least 1 extra mining base than the Terran player to even be equal in terms of economy. Keep in mind, that it is important to emphasize "mining" base... having a hatchery next to a mineral field is all fine and well, but unless there are drones there mining it can't really be considered a mining base.
2) In order to have an effective Ultra/Ling with Defilers build the Zerg is going to want to be mining at least 4 gas geysers.
3) Since your hatcheries are the production buildings for both your worker and attack units, there are often times when you have to forgo building drones in order to keep an adequate sized army to fend off your opponent particularly if they are putting on a lot of pressure (which is a huge factor in this match).
Let's review a timeline of the game...
@ 8min 29sec in
Jaedong starts mining his 3rd gas at the 1 o'clock position.
@ 9min
Flash puts pressure on the 1 o'clock base and Jaedong takes his drones off gas.
@ 9min 25sec
Jaedong sends back his drones to the 1 o'clock, but puts them all on minerals.
@ 9min 45sec
The observer shows the 1 o'clock base and there are still no drones on gas.
@ 10min 24sec
The observer shows the 1 o'clock base and there is only 1 drone mining gas.
@ 10min 57sec
We finally see 3 drones on gas at the 1 o'clock base.
@ 13min 54sec
Flash takes out the 1 o'clock base.
@ 14min 31sec
The observer shows that despite the fact that Jaedong has had a hatchery at the 3 o'clock position for a while there is no drones mining, and no extractor built.
Note: During this entire time Jaedong only has a 3rd gas for about 3.5 - 4 minutes, and at this point is at 2 mining bases to Flash's 2 mining. Furthermore, if you look at the drone saturation at Jaedong's 2 mining bases he has 11 drones on minerals at his main, and 8-10 drones on minerals at his first expansion, whereas Flash's SCV saturation is huge.
@ 16min 20sec
Drones only begin to mine gas at the 8 o'clock base, however at 16min 35sec they get pulled off gas and are sent to attack Flash's units, and don't return to mining for at least another 10 seconds.
@ 18min 5sec
Flash's 3rd base is fully operations with at least 20 SCVs mining it
@ 18min 33sec
Jaedong's hatchery at 1 o'clock finishes being rebuilt.
@ 18min 43sec
Power goes out.
At this point Flash has 4 science vessels, 13 marines and 8 medics outside of Jaedong's bottom left expansion and at least 12-15 units at home (based on the unit movement on the minimap of units rallying from his cluster of barracks to his natural expo... watch Flash's base on the minimap at 18min 26sec onward)...and if you freaze frame the VOD the second before the power goes out you'll see that a group of units are just beginning to leave Flash's base.
Whereas Jaedong has 2 definlers, 4 scourge, 2 Ultralisks that have a combined total of about 35 HP... less than half a control group of lings and 1 reinforcing Ultralisk. Also keep in mind that throughout the course of the game Flash killed 22 Ultralisks, which is a total of 4400 worth of gas alone... and considering Jaedong was only up to 4 gas for the final 2 minutes of the game my guess is even if he got his 5th gas up at the top right... he would lose the bottom left base within a few minutes, and he'd be back down to 4. Either way he wasn't going to be pumping many more reinforcing Ultralisks any time soon.
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History needs to be bumped! The Original Thread was locked and I loved Konadora's explanation when it was written.
6 years ago... the Infamous "Power Outage" that gave Jaedong a 2-1 lead in the MSL finals against Flash. I remember it well. What a series... what a moment. First 2 games were epic... game 3 was leading to epic before the power outage and then Flash showed he had emotions in game 4 when Jaedong squashed him.
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