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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-04 04:06:19
January 04 2010 04:05 GMT
#1
My friend had a house warming today. I had attended despite the fact that I had quite a bit of wok to do. I tried to do some of it there, but so many things proved to be distracting.
It started with Tropic Thunder playing in the background. Such a hilarious movie, and then another friend mentioned that he had brought "Settlers." As I filed through my memory, I remember where I had heard that before: Chill's Livestream. I remember Chill playing that game, and I had absolutely no idea what was going on.

They had played one round, in about half an hour, and by that time the movie was over. I had gotten up, determined to figure out how to play it.

It was slow at first, barely understanding the rules, having no idea what to do during my turn, etc. The people that I was teamed with (to teach me how to play) had left, and I was there alone.
While it progressed slowly at first, another guy I knew sat down next to me, and proclaimed himself to be my partner. When I started to understand the game, it got so much more entertaining.

Before I knew it, it had turned into a nearly *three* hour brawl, containing embargoes, terrorist/insurgent groups, war mongrels, monopolies, and a cutting-edge fight to earn the 10 points.

After all the time had passed, my teammate and myself had managed to conjure up two roads, taking the longest bridge, while conjuring up the last points needed for victory. It was my affirmation into the game, and it was good.

Afterwards, we proceeded to watch the Redskins lose, and caught up on a few other things, while enjoying the other aspects of company, television, and card/board games.

I finally get home, while it is way too late for me to finish all my work, until I am brought upon the realization that the due dates were delayed, thus not requiring me to finish them tonight.

Conclusion/tl;dr: Settlers of Catan is now my new favorite board game.

*****
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
January 04 2010 04:06 GMT
#2
yea, i recently got hooked on that shit too.

playcatan.com

its a little too random for my tastes. but still quite fun if everyone playing understands strategy.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 04 2010 04:11 GMT
#3
Most. Frustrating. Dice Rolls. Game. Ever.
Played it all summer on asobrain and with friends.
I still rage when I think about it.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
January 04 2010 04:16 GMT
#4
On January 04 2010 13:06 chrisSquire wrote:
yea, i recently got hooked on that shit too.

playcatan.com

its a little too random for my tastes. but still quite fun if everyone playing understands strategy.

Yeah, it is the most frustrating game to watch people make ridiculous trades for though. Unless you are the beneficiary :p
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
January 04 2010 04:20 GMT
#5
protip: your starting two settlements are 90% of the game, and you almost always want to put them next to the best rock source. Rock is imba.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
January 04 2010 04:25 GMT
#6
nice~ i got hooked on this game this winter break as well

won my first game on my third game, and felt gooood~~
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
January 04 2010 04:25 GMT
#7
great game but if you like it, seriously buy the expansion cities and knights (the other expansion, seafarers, is not that good, but you might like it if you like settlers)

cities and knights makes the game a lot more complex but a lot more fun too =) i mean in settlers there are very few complicated rules and everyone shares a very small number of objectives/styles, which cities and knights addresses. plus there's a barbarian horde and lots of opportunities to screw every other player!
funky squaredance funky squaredance funky squaredance
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25989 Posts
January 04 2010 04:27 GMT
#8
Yea it's super easy to learn and really fun. I actually prefer vanilla to all the ridiculous addons.
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 04 2010 04:30 GMT
#9
COOL STORY BRO!

Jk, I've heard that the game is really fun from all my friends but when I tried to play it I was way too tired to get too involved with it so I had my partner do everything.

Thanks, maybe I'll try it again.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
January 04 2010 04:33 GMT
#10
I played this game quite a bit in a past, I like it but not as much as many people do.\
KTY
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 04 2010 04:35 GMT
#11
Catan expansions are ridiculous, vanilla's the way to go ;O
TranslatorBaa!
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 04 2010 04:35 GMT
#12
I've only got vanilla, actually played it today wtf haha. I've never found it fun to play a lot but its a decent game.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
January 04 2010 04:36 GMT
#13
On January 04 2010 13:27 Chill wrote:
Yea it's super easy to learn and really fun. I actually prefer vanilla to all the ridiculous addons.

+1, the addons ruin the game's beautiful simplicity.
✌
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 04 2010 04:36 GMT
#14
Yea it's an awesome game. I used to play it during lunchtime at work. As well, it doesn't get as heated as Monopoly or Risk (I guess the level of hostility is proportion to game duration), which is always good.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
January 04 2010 04:47 GMT
#15
bah cities and knights is the shit. don't you get tired of always competing for longest road or largest army?
funky squaredance funky squaredance funky squaredance
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 04 2010 04:54 GMT
#16
Great game.
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GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
January 04 2010 05:06 GMT
#17
Played it a few times with the Knights add-on and the Seafarers add-on and it's pretty fun. One thing my friends and I don't really like is that there isn't much you can do aggressively against someone. We would come up with rules to be able to fuck each other up but we're too lazy, maybe we can look it up on the net sometime for alternate rules.
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
January 04 2010 06:34 GMT
#18
On January 04 2010 13:36 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 13:27 Chill wrote:
Yea it's super easy to learn and really fun. I actually prefer vanilla to all the ridiculous addons.

+1, the addons ruin the game's beautiful simplicity.


I'll trade you beautiful simplicity for two sheep
returns upon momentous occasions.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 04 2010 07:38 GMT
#19
On January 04 2010 15:34 HonestTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 13:36 JWD wrote:
On January 04 2010 13:27 Chill wrote:
Yea it's super easy to learn and really fun. I actually prefer vanilla to all the ridiculous addons.

+1, the addons ruin the game's beautiful simplicity.


I'll trade you beautiful simplicity for two sheep

Ahahaha.

I'm not really good enough to know, but it seems like there are a variety of viable strategies. I like Catan a lot. It's kinda like monopoly with skill.
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
January 04 2010 08:24 GMT
#20
catan is great, it's like risk, but more fun and less time consuming

a good place to play it online is: http://games.asobrain.com/
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
January 04 2010 08:36 GMT
#21
for a good time:

Drinkers of Catan

Take a shot every time you're stolen from and every time you have to discard half your cards because a 7 was rolled. Play to 5, 7, or 10 depending on your tolerance. It is a rare group that can finish a game to 10.

(there are weaker variants too... like take a drink on steals, discards, 6s, 8s, 2s, and 12s and stuff like that.)
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
January 04 2010 19:14 GMT
#22
Start on wheat / ore. Upgrade + buy cards = you win. People undervalue the cards, they are key.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-04 19:35:48
January 04 2010 19:30 GMT
#23
On January 04 2010 17:36 talismania wrote:
for a good time:

Drinkers of Catan

Take a shot every time you're stolen from and every time you have to discard half your cards because a 7 was rolled. Play to 5, 7, or 10 depending on your tolerance. It is a rare group that can finish a game to 10.

(there are weaker variants too... like take a drink on steals, discards, 6s, 8s, 2s, and 12s and stuff like that.)

How are 6 and 8s weaker than discards on 7? How is 10 worse than 6 and 8? Let alone steals.

On January 04 2010 13:36 Cambium wrote:
Yea it's an awesome game. I used to play it during lunchtime at work. As well, it doesn't get as heated as Monopoly or Risk (I guess the level of hostility is proportion to game duration), which is always good.

How long is your lunch break? Maybe my friends just take too much time deciding what to do, but settlers generally drag on fairly long for me in person. Risk is actually really fast-paced if players know what they are doing, too.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 04 2010 21:04 GMT
#24
Settlers is an awesome game - Development cards are the way to win - hidden victory points help a lot. The development cards also let you use some of the lategame resources earlier than you would be able to otherwise (notice the difference between earlygame and lategame resources. That is your path to victory)
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Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
January 08 2010 23:53 GMT
#25
I had great fun playing this game with friends and family when I was younger, so I thought I'd give it a try.

I just played it for 9 hours. And I have no idea why, once you have the slightest clue of starting positions the game is all dice.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 00:59:30
January 09 2010 00:58 GMT
#26
On January 05 2010 04:30 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 17:36 talismania wrote:
for a good time:

Drinkers of Catan

Take a shot every time you're stolen from and every time you have to discard half your cards because a 7 was rolled. Play to 5, 7, or 10 depending on your tolerance. It is a rare group that can finish a game to 10.

(there are weaker variants too... like take a drink on steals, discards, 6s, 8s, 2s, and 12s and stuff like that.)

How are 6 and 8s weaker than discards on 7? How is 10 worse than 6 and 8? Let alone steals.

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 13:36 Cambium wrote:
Yea it's an awesome game. I used to play it during lunchtime at work. As well, it doesn't get as heated as Monopoly or Risk (I guess the level of hostility is proportion to game duration), which is always good.

How long is your lunch break? Maybe my friends just take too much time deciding what to do, but settlers generally drag on fairly long for me in person. Risk is actually really fast-paced if players know what they are doing, too.


it's weaker because you're just taking a drink, not taking a shot. also, 6s 8s 2s and 12s are socials in this variant, whereas the hardcore version is just whoever gets stolen from and whoever discards.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
January 09 2010 01:18 GMT
#27
I think the biggest mistake that I used to make when I played was going for longest road every time
If you get into a competition it sucks up so many resources

Better to just go fishing for d-cards

How is Risk a fast game? Setting up the board takes half an hour alone <>
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 09 2010 01:21 GMT
#28
On January 09 2010 10:18 KOFgokuon wrote:
I think the biggest mistake that I used to make when I played was going for longest road every time
If you get into a competition it sucks up so many resources

Better to just go fishing for d-cards

How is Risk a fast game? Setting up the board takes half an hour alone <>

As long as people don't take forever deciding what to do.... T_T

And roll quickly too
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 09 2010 01:51 GMT
#29
Asobrain is where I play... occasionally.

Unfortunately, I hate playing offline now because everyone takes so long. I finish my games in <10 minutes online if you have fast players or bots.
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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
January 09 2010 02:18 GMT
#30
Ahhhhh, love this game. Too bad all my friends are lame and dislike board games =[
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 02:20:04
January 09 2010 02:19 GMT
#31
On January 04 2010 13:36 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 13:27 Chill wrote:
Yea it's super easy to learn and really fun. I actually prefer vanilla to all the ridiculous addons.

+1, the addons ruin the game's beautiful simplicity.

I like Cities and Knights. It brings essentially the same gameplay as the original without changing too much.

However, there's much less luck involved in Cities and Knights than in the original.
God Bless
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 09 2010 02:22 GMT
#32
On January 05 2010 04:30 Ecael wrote:

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 13:36 Cambium wrote:
Yea it's an awesome game. I used to play it during lunchtime at work. As well, it doesn't get as heated as Monopoly or Risk (I guess the level of hostility is proportion to game duration), which is always good.

How long is your lunch break? Maybe my friends just take too much time deciding what to do, but settlers generally drag on fairly long for me in person. Risk is actually really fast-paced if players know what they are doing, too.


1-1.5 Hrs usually.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
January 09 2010 03:52 GMT
#33
On January 04 2010 13:27 Chill wrote:
Yea it's super easy to learn and really fun. I actually prefer vanilla to all the ridiculous addons.


and starcraft is better without lurkers.

ok
Happiness only real when shared.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
January 09 2010 05:11 GMT
#34
On January 09 2010 10:18 KOFgokuon wrote:
I think the biggest mistake that I used to make when I played was going for longest road every time
If you get into a competition it sucks up so many resources

Better to just go fishing for d-cards

How is Risk a fast game? Setting up the board takes half an hour alone <>


don't play risk letting people pick territories... deal out the risk cards instead (then recollect). it's much more balanced, especially for 5 and 6 players and placement goes super quick after that.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 09 2010 05:24 GMT
#35
On January 09 2010 12:52 Mora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 13:27 Chill wrote:
Yea it's super easy to learn and really fun. I actually prefer vanilla to all the ridiculous addons.


and starcraft is better without lurkers.

ok


Some addons are better than others...

Also, it's a personal preference. I agree with Chill, but some of my SOC friends prefer to play with addons.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Kula
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States140 Posts
January 09 2010 05:37 GMT
#36
Amazing game! Played it a few years ago and it was a blast.
CoOl]1st[
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States243 Posts
January 09 2010 20:33 GMT
#37
epic game
Wizard]1st[ fighting :O
duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
January 09 2010 20:52 GMT
#38
question: do you guys distribute number chips in order (a-z, counterclockwise as per rules i think?) or shuffle them all up and place them wherever (moving reds away from each other if they randomly end up on one spot)?

I do the a-z method, while a friend does the shuffle method...i feel like the shuffling method leads to a slower, more relaxed game, while everything is worked out to a science with choosing spots based on where the desert is.
funky squaredance funky squaredance funky squaredance
TeH_Mentalist
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Korea (South)244 Posts
January 09 2010 21:09 GMT
#39
i used to play this game...before i started playing starcraft and i got really pissed when ppl didnt trade stuff to me lol
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 00:55:30
January 10 2010 00:55 GMT
#40
I DO like Settlers, but the random nature of the game is frustrating to someone who usually loves exhibitions of skill (Chess, Starcraft). I play Carcassonne some times, but Settlers is much more aesthetically pleasing.
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ndralcasid
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States524 Posts
January 10 2010 08:12 GMT
#41
I have yet to win a game on Asobrain.

Some of these maps are hella weird =(

</Bisu>
I aint crying over some daggone danishes
LolnoobInsanity
Profile Joined May 2010
United States183 Posts
February 21 2011 18:03 GMT
#42
Just got into this recently. This seriously makes for a great drinking game.
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