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NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 07:29:08
December 08 2009 07:11 GMT
#1
Current Rank: D [1704] 22 - 35

Most used map: (4)Python 22-30

So I haven't played StarCraft since December and just started playing ICCup late last week again. I played a fair few games today (about 10+) but I can't seem to lay waste to these damned Protoss.

Overall, my win ratio is about 39% out of 57 games. Nothing to boast about but, I'm not expecting anything great here.

My TvZ win ratio is about 61% and my TvP ratio is at a dismal 26%. TERRIBLE.

I don't know what it is exactly. Perhaps it's the Dragoon count or my timing at basic levels, but I keep getting caught with my pants down in this match up.

Today I even got beat down by one kid who just mass expo'd. All he made was Dark Templars and Probes; And I know that because I checked the BWchart. He miraculously secured an extra main + its natural by simply setting up photon cannons everywhere around the map. After scrambling back and forth to destroy as many expos as possible, he ended up hiding an extra nexus and the game spun out of control anyway.

Its more painful playing the game than watching it. During the game I end up just watching it slowly slip through my fingers. And then acknowledging the fact during the replay that what each Protoss did was so simple that even my god damned 2 year old cousin could have pulled it off.

By the end of the game (18 mins later) I typed out and called the kid a cheater like a little baby. There's gotta be a better way to whoop Protoss' ass. I've been using a number of builds but mostly 2fact tank, 1factcc, and FD (most common to least common).

I'm beginning to recognize more facet moves that are required during the game to keep an advantage or give myself a new opportunity in the game but Protoss is so damn easy to play I can't seem to get anything going.

I also seem to throw many games away by moving out way too soon. I have the tendency to get ahead of myself sometimes.

But anyway I am gonna keep posting my improvements and findings every few days or so.

**
Treatin' fools since '87
Fixed
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States174 Posts
December 08 2009 07:17 GMT
#2
Idk...but u should game with me. I'm a D zerg and want to get better. iscout4u on iccup. Shows my rank as D+. Thats only cuz ive played 300 games this season lol.
fanatacist likes men.....but mostly boys...and some anal toys. Also his ability to read and understand posts is on par with a slightly retarded meerkat.
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
December 08 2009 07:20 GMT
#3
lol i have this problem too. i have a 39% total win rate with 30% winrate vs P.
this is the only reason im stuck at D+

not exactly sure wat ur problem is, but mine is being outmacroed. miss a depot and its gg

also timing is VERY important in this matchup

make sure u scout well and counter whatever hes going for.

lol i absolutely hate dts, but u can counter them with mines...
[ReD]NaDa and fnaticMSI.SEn fighting~! ::POlar @ UC Irvine::
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 07:22:02
December 08 2009 07:21 GMT
#4
Vultures + Science Vessels > DTs + probes.
Alternatively, I think SK terran would work well too.

On a more serious note, I think TvP is much harder nowdays since a lot of protoss are going dt rush into Arbitors. That build owns.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
December 08 2009 07:22 GMT
#5
yea. I think what killed me was the astonishment of my opponent actually mass expoing in the fashion he did and then slowly allowing him to get away with it. The play is actually quite remarkable at some level rofl even if it was absolutely ghastly.
Treatin' fools since '87
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 07:29:26
December 08 2009 07:27 GMT
#6
Typical Terran. Bashing Protoss as "easy" to play when he realizes TvP is not imbalanced like TvZ.

Stop whining and actually practice. If he makes substantial number of DT's, he's wasting gas if you are prepared for detection

PvT is harder than TvP at higher levels, or at least thats what me + my friends believe

EDIT: What makes your blog post worse is that you admitted that you were trash talking to the opponent just because you lost. And you don't even feel remorse for it. BM as hell =/
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
December 08 2009 07:29 GMT
#7
On December 08 2009 16:21 T.O.P. wrote:
Vultures + Science Vessels > DTs + probes.
Alternatively, I think SK terran would work well too.

On a more serious note, I think TvP is much harder nowdays since a lot of protoss are going dt rush into Arbitors. That build owns.

Rushing straight to archives then building one or even zero DTs is such a great build at D level. Scares terrans so bad they don't expand for 2 years. I once had a terran GG before I even attacked him because I took 4 bases at about the same time he took his nat.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 08 2009 07:30 GMT
#8
Any replays? I think you'll find those are really useful in finding out whats wrong
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
December 08 2009 07:33 GMT
#9
Yea, but we aren't talking higher levels are we? We're talking D rank. I could just say "Haaa, typical Protoss bitching that it isn't easier than Terran; That's why he plays Protoss. [lolz]

In actuality I gg'd out even though the game hadn't gotten out of control yet. I just didn't think I had the multitasking to finish the game. I also didn't want to spend the next 30 + minutes trying to get back into the game.

Protoss mass expo play > ADHD
Treatin' fools since '87
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
December 08 2009 07:33 GMT
#10
Try siege FE with an early ebay and then 6 fact push. Do everything Xeris complains about in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=106482. IMO the only way to win vs toss on python.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
December 08 2009 07:33 GMT
#11
On December 08 2009 16:29 Fontong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 16:21 T.O.P. wrote:
Vultures + Science Vessels > DTs + probes.
Alternatively, I think SK terran would work well too.

On a more serious note, I think TvP is much harder nowdays since a lot of protoss are going dt rush into Arbitors. That build owns.

Rushing straight to archives then building one or even zero DTs is such a great build at D level. Scares terrans so bad they don't expand for 2 years. I once had a terran GG before I even attacked him because I took 4 bases at about the same time he took his nat.


yea thats what basically happened.
Treatin' fools since '87
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
December 08 2009 07:34 GMT
#12
LOL i even have been experimenting with firebat, medic, tank build. It's a riot
Treatin' fools since '87
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
December 08 2009 07:37 GMT
#13
On December 08 2009 16:27 AzureEye wrote:
EDIT: What makes your blog post worse is that you admitted that you were trash talking to the opponent just because you lost. And you don't even feel remorse for it. BM as hell =/


I'm not gong to apologize. I'm just going to regret and try to get better. Some Ukraine fuck named kriv0y did it. If you know him and he wants an apology, tell him I'll think about it.
Treatin' fools since '87
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 08 2009 07:37 GMT
#14
It's okay, the first season I ever played on iCCup I had like a 20-30% winrate for ZvT. The last season I played I bumped it up to 40-50% but it was mainly due to me getting pissed off and playing really abusive builds rather than because of a serious increase in management skill for the matchup.
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
December 08 2009 07:39 GMT
#15
On December 08 2009 16:11 NastyMarine wrote:

My TvZ win ratio is about 61% and my TvP ratio is at a dismal 26%. TERRIBLE.



Terrible, TERRIBLE win-ratio!

I find TvP hard myself.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 07:51:54
December 08 2009 07:50 GMT
#16
On December 08 2009 16:27 AzureEye wrote:
Typical Terran. Bashing Protoss as "easy" to play when he realizes TvP is not imbalanced like TvZ.

Stop whining and actually practice. If he makes substantial number of DT's, he's wasting gas if you are prepared for detection

PvT is harder than TvP at higher levels, or at least thats what me + my friends believe

EDIT: What makes your blog post worse is that you admitted that you were trash talking to the opponent just because you lost. And you don't even feel remorse for it. BM as hell =/


Finally someone of another race says this.

On December 08 2009 16:51 lazz wrote:
dont play on python, it's a terrible map. if you do play on it just 2 fac or 6-7 fac all in off 2 base.

sAviOr...
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
December 08 2009 07:51 GMT
#17
dont play on python, it's a terrible map. if you do play on it just 2 fac or 6-7 fac all in off 2 base.
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
December 08 2009 07:57 GMT
#18
I played you today :D

That was probably my worst game of the season too. Remember the goons at your nat forever, that was me. I was only able to harass you for so long because you let me delay your rax and fac long enough that I could get that zealot in there and my goons kept your tank count really low.

Try doing the siege expand and do not let anything make you stop building your rax and first factory, toss can do whatever he wants without you having enough tanks up.

You did harass well, my economy was fucked up the entire game until I got my 4-5 bases.

Even though the game went on forever you never got any (or 1?) upgrades and I just simply a-moved over your army every time.

But to be fair I did just start on this account and I am D+ish.

I reckon you should Liquipedia it up:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Siege_Expand
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Double_Armory_(vs._Protoss)

They should help you a lot, you've probably already looked at these, but just in case you haven't, there you go.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
December 08 2009 07:59 GMT
#19
Colosseum. Flash build every time. If you see him mass expoing, just push out. I guarantee it'll work at D level. Just watch out for DTs.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 08:02:03
December 08 2009 08:01 GMT
#20
On December 08 2009 16:50 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 16:27 AzureEye wrote:
Typical Terran. Bashing Protoss as "easy" to play when he realizes TvP is not imbalanced like TvZ.

Stop whining and actually practice. If he makes substantial number of DT's, he's wasting gas if you are prepared for detection

PvT is harder than TvP at higher levels, or at least thats what me + my friends believe

EDIT: What makes your blog post worse is that you admitted that you were trash talking to the opponent just because you lost. And you don't even feel remorse for it. BM as hell =/


Finally someone of another race says this.

I think its been a known fact for a while now that TvZ at lower levels is very imbalanced in favour of terran o_o
just as PvT is in favour of protoss
ZvP is imbalanced all over :D
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