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Hi TL!
I used to work out very minimally going to the gym once a week for light weight lifting and mostly for cardio. Now that alot of my tests are done and winter vacation is starting i want to start working out intensely so that i can build a little bit of muscle.
But before i do that i realized that i want to use supplements while working out and my friend recommended me Gaspari Superpump 250. My friend is pretty jaaaaaaaacked and i thought i should try it out. But before buying it i asked my dad (who is a doctor) if taking creatine/supplements were okay. He said that it was okay but then he told me that there was a big risk that i would get liver damage and maybe even cancer in the future. I further researched it on the internet and i found out that if i drank alot of water? this could be prevented.
So...here's my question to you TL, do you have any experience taking Superpump ( or any other supplements ?) is it worth it and are the longterm side effects very serious?
 
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"He said that it was okay but then he told me that there was a big risk that i would get liver damage and maybe even cancer in the future."
Did you ask him why he contradicted himself?
I would ask him what his sources are and then check them/the many other resources on the internet and make the decision yourself.
Or ask Inc!
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Sorry but your dad is an idiot. There is no scientific study backing up any of the rumors that creatine use causes any form of longterm damage.
Superpump is well known under the name "superdump" with most of the guys I know because it contains Magnesium, which acts as a laxative. You will want to look for a creatine/preworkout stim without magnesium, like jack3d by usp labs.
Besides preworkout stims and/or creatine, the only things really that are staples of any lifter are fish oil (1-2g/day), a multivitamin, and bcaas.
Hope this helped.
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It's not really a contradiction. Taking calcium supplements, for instance, is generally regarded as being "okay", esp for women, but there's always the risk of kidney stones in the future.
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Dont be delusional people....taking most any kind of supplements long term has some kind of effects. Why dont u just work out, eat healthy, and get plenty of protein?
why risk long term health for something so superficial?
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iNcontroL
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stay
away
from
supplements
They are bad on a whole. Really bad. For the most part ALL you need to do is buy yourself a tub of whey protein and take 2-3 shakes a day preferably 1 1~2 hours before and 1 immediately AFTER a workout.
PLEASE trust me on this. I have done the research, I have used them myself and I have learned my lessons. There are of course some natural supplements that do do some good but they aren't worth the cost especially when you can get same/better results with strict protein intake and dietary analysis.
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hahaha yeah ive done my fair share of research and my dad kinda explained that in korean so i just roughly translated it.
but inc...can u tell me some of the side effects that u have experienced?
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100% Whey Optimum Gold, there was a 2x5lb pack deal on SlickDeals for ~$66. I've been taking this for about 3 years, it beats supplements simply because it is just whey.
Do what inc said, before and after workout whey up.
Whether supplements hurt you or not, i do not know for sure. But you should always be drinking hella water if you are serious about straining your body for long run benefits.
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Yeah, i've been workout for a couple of years now and I've only touched protein (ISO Sensation tastes orgasmic, a bit expensive but definitely worth it).
I've heard that excessive amounts of protein can have side-effects (one of them being urinating more often, and other ones related to some organs), but you can easily fix this by not drinking 999scoops/day.
I really don't see a point in having any other supplement besides protein unless you're trying to go for Mr. Olympia. Just eat healthy, get your sleep, and don't over train!
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I would suggest you stay away from supplements (I've been on them before, they work, but they are expensive, and there is no knowing how you will react to it over the long term).
If you are really set on using supplements - protein powder shakes are a great start. A daily multivitamin is also a smart idea.
Getting into the more serious supplements - go no further than glutamine, argenine, and creatine. Those 3 (in appropriate doses) should be fine for anything you want to accomplish.
But, even then, consider the risks. There are very little risks with just protein and a multivitamin (in fact, there are probably no risks, only benefits, when used properly).
Anything past that and you should consult with a nutritionist, a doctor, or some other professional.
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The only thing i'm taking is protein powder, daily vitamin, and a fuck ton of food.
Only other thing i would is creatine monohydrate and glutamine but i dont have any. not really necessary but probably beneficial.
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I'm pretty interested in this. thanks for the info Inc. I've been working out a lot lately and while I've made very noticeable improvements in my build, I can't seem to build significant arm muscle mass no matter how long or rigorous my workout is. and if I take a break, like for a couple days, it almost seems as if I never did anything at all. I know genetics play a pretty strong role (I have pretty scrawny uncles/grandfathers) but I really want to build some mass. I was just drinking a protein shake (I think some kind of soy/whey combo) and maybe a bar after a workout, going like twice a week. I think I basically realized have to go more than that to get anything accomplished. I'm pretty fit and thin as it is but want moar muscle.
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Going to the gym twice a week is almost useless. You really need to go at least 3 days a week to see any kind of results at all.
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Agreed. And just a little tip for doing arms, you really really really have to up the intensity. (Lower reps, more sets, heavier weights). You'll really have to push yourself when doing this type of a workout. A spot will always help, but this is what basically gave me MASSIVE ARMS ^^
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A pre workout stim is caffeine, vitamin bs, amino acids, and creatine etc.
You ingest all of that in other foods.
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Also you shouldn't even be worrying about supps or anything before you have your diet and workout down to a t. And by that I mean years of solid training with a consistent diet and routine.
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On December 03 2009 10:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
stay
away
from
supplements
They are bad on a whole. Really bad. For the most part ALL you need to do is buy yourself a tub of whey protein and take 2-3 shakes a day preferably 1 1~2 hours before and 1 immediately AFTER a workout.
PLEASE trust me on this. I have done the research, I have used them myself and I have learned my lessons. There are of course some natural supplements that do do some good but they aren't worth the cost especially when you can get same/better results with strict protein intake and dietary analysis.
QFT
If you don't trust him, trust the girlfriend that dealt with him while he was on them. Monster mood swings, anger/aggression, weird physical malfunctions... other... effects... embarrassing stuff. Please, just believe me. Seriously, do protien drinks after each workout I swear you'll see results even faster. For me and for iNc I could tell day by day an increase in muscle mass and tone.
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On December 03 2009 10:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
stay
away
from
supplements
They are bad on a whole. Really bad. For the most part ALL you need to do is buy yourself a tub of whey protein and take 2-3 shakes a day preferably 1 1~2 hours before and 1 immediately AFTER a workout.
PLEASE trust me on this. I have done the research, I have used them myself and I have learned my lessons. There are of course some natural supplements that do do some good but they aren't worth the cost especially when you can get same/better results with strict protein intake and dietary analysis.
Right, I would add creatine as well. Even the biggest health bufs i know use that and they wont put many things into their body supplement wise.
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[B]On December 03 2009 13:22 uNcontroLable wrote:
If you don't trust him, trust the girlfriend that dealt with him while he was on them. Monster mood swings, anger/aggression, weird physical malfunctions... other... effects... embarrassing stuff. Please, just believe me. Seriously, do protien drinks after each workout I swear you'll see results even faster. For me and for iNc I could tell day by day an increase in muscle mass and tone.
Well it depends what you're talking about as far as supplements. Pretty broad range there.
Only things I advised taking were a preworkout stim, (including creatine or not) vitamins, fish oil, and bcaas.
All of which are ingested naturally through regular foods at lower levels.
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A very simple rule to follow as a beginner is to match the number of grams of protein you intake daily to your lean body mass in lbs. If you don't need to take any protein drinks to do this (if you are very skinny, for example), then you don't need to do anything.
Also try to allow 48 hours between workouts of the same muscle. Don't overdo it like many people who want to start "working out intensely." It's hard to be patient.
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That's super useful. I used to work out the same muscles every day and I'd just get more and more sore and then give up when I failed to gain any rippage. 
48 hours this time!
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On December 03 2009 11:39 251 wrote:
I'm pretty interested in this. thanks for the info Inc. I've been working out a lot lately and while I've made very noticeable improvements in my build, I can't seem to build significant arm muscle mass no matter how long or rigorous my workout is. and if I take a break, like for a couple days, it almost seems as if I never did anything at all. I know genetics play a pretty strong role (I have pretty scrawny uncles/grandfathers) but I really want to build some mass. I was just drinking a protein shake (I think some kind of soy/whey combo) and maybe a bar after a workout, going like twice a week. I think I basically realized have to go more than that to get anything accomplished. I'm pretty fit and thin as it is but want moar muscle.
eat. A TON. of food
working out is useless if you don't have the food to add on muscle.
also, try going more often, 3-4 times a week.
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Creatine well dosed could win you a couple of tenths over 200 and 400 meters despite "research" saying it will not improve performance, but other than that it will make you retain water in your tissues so you are gonna look a bit different from day to day lol!
There are many supplements that bodybuilders use but none will be useful for you if you don't plan to be one. Eat well, drink well, get minerals  and train whatever you can and you will be fine.
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On December 03 2009 11:39 decafchicken wrote:
The only thing i'm taking is protein powder, daily vitamin, and a fuck ton of food.
Only other thing i would is creatine monohydrate
THIS.
You don't need anything else basically, don't think too much about supplements, stick with basics and proper workouts. Whey protein is good before and after your workout, like incontrol wrote.
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On December 03 2009 09:51 AwarE-- wrote:
Sorry but your dad is an idiot. There is no scientific study backing up any of the rumors that creatine use causes any form of longterm damage.
No he's not an idiot but he may overexaggerate a bit. Creatine CAN cause liver/kidney damage IF your liver is susceptible or weak somehow. The problem is that you don't always know if you have a bad liver which can make it dangerous.
Generally speaking, normal amounts of a creatine supplement is not dangerous at all though. Even around 1/3 of the soccer players in England use creatine.
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On December 04 2009 02:23 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2009 09:51 AwarE-- wrote:
Sorry but your dad is an idiot. There is no scientific study backing up any of the rumors that creatine use causes any form of longterm damage.
No he's not an idiot but he may overexaggerate a bit. Creatine CAN cause liver/kidney damage IF your liver is susceptible or weak somehow. The problem is that you don't always know if you have a bad liver which can make it dangerous. Generally speaking, normal amounts of a creatine supplement is not dangerous at all though. Even around 1/3 of the soccer players in England use creatine.
If you have a weak liver any number of things will cause damage.
It's an idiotic response to someone asking about creatine or any other concentrated supplement.
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I just take whey protein and creatine monohydrate (in the neat gelatin pill form, so it doesn't feel like I'm drinking sand). I have yet to experience a single adverse effect.
Hydrate yourself like a fucking boss and you'll be set 
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creotine and shit like that always are just for short term bulking (say you have to look a certain way in X time for some event/movie/ whatever). It isn't healthy especially in the long run. They usually all have warning labels about renal damage, liver damage, etc.
It makes crappy water muscles anyways.
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whey + fish oil + greens+
Done
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On December 04 2009 05:07 CharlieMurphy wrote:
creotine and shit like that always are just for short term bulking (say you have to look a certain way in X time for some event/movie/ whatever). It isn't healthy especially in the long run. They usually all have warning labels about renal damage, liver damage, etc.
It makes crappy water muscles anyways.
Uh, no?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112484941
Specifically;
What exactly does creatine do?
*Provides extra energy for your muscles
*Causes volumization of muscles (just increases the size)
*Reduces lactic acid build up
*Increases protein synthesis
Will I lose my gains when I stop taking creatine?
Creatine generally leads to two types of gains. You can build more muscle due to the added strength creatine can provide and you can retain more water in the muscles. The muscle which you gain as a result of increased strength is the same as all other muscle. It is as permanent as muscle you gain when you don't use creatine. This will not be lost when you stop taking creatine. However, the water retained in the muscle is temporary. This will most likely be lost when you stop taking creatine.
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On December 04 2009 04:39 AwarE-- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 02:23 Foucault wrote:On December 03 2009 09:51 AwarE-- wrote:
Sorry but your dad is an idiot. There is no scientific study backing up any of the rumors that creatine use causes any form of longterm damage.
No he's not an idiot but he may overexaggerate a bit. Creatine CAN cause liver/kidney damage IF your liver is susceptible or weak somehow. The problem is that you don't always know if you have a bad liver which can make it dangerous. Generally speaking, normal amounts of a creatine supplement is not dangerous at all though. Even around 1/3 of the soccer players in England use creatine. It's an idiotic response to someone asking about creatine or any other concentrated supplement.
No, it's a careful response by a doctor.
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