EPTAdventures in Poker: Day 1 - Page 2
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Jyvblamo
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PokePill
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11589 Posts
On November 26 2009 16:52 Elite00fm wrote: that's why POSITION was one of the determining factors in how dynamic your range should be, and learning by practicing will help you improve dramatically. And a handchart that follows positioning, i.e. not raising QJo UTG in a fullring table, but raising it in the CO. is useful. A standard handchart that says what hand to fold, totally disregarding the position of the player is going to get the player into very difficult positions. And with a bankroll of $16, he is going to need a handchart, if he comes from facebook poker, he is probably limp/calling too many hands. A handchart that says FOLD UTG but raise MP/Button is going to be so beneficial. As opposed to knowing "tighten up early position, loose late position" But what does tight and loose mean preflop to a beginner? He's not going to understand that Q10s UTG is very loose. He should learn the very basics of poker before he's indulged into a much more in depth strategic world of it. Get the feel for the game, then start off. To make an analogy, it would be as if you told someone who just started playing Starcraft to adapt to your opponent, when he doesn't even know a single build order. How the fuck is he going to adapt to the player if he doesn't know that building a supply depot at 9 is going to help you. You have to teach him the build orders first, then he can adapt later on once he gets a feel for the game. reduce variance. And Full Ring (9 player tables) is the least variance of them all. You seriously think a player will develop their skills at same rate at full ring as they will at 6-max? Playing HU is even better, but HU play is out of his BR range and is much too difficult for a beginner. So telling him to play 6max with 8-buyins on FT where the rake eats you alive in 6max which is also more variance-filled is a better idea than where he's more likely to make money at full-ring because it's less variance? If he is even somewhat serious about poker then HEM or PT3 are ridiculously useful, regardless of your BR size or the stakes you are playing. Being able to go over your sessions, plug glaring leaks, and being able to see your results (very good for motivation, confidence, etc.). If he posted a handful of stats from HEM right now I could probably identify like 10+ leaks instantly. these programs pay for themselves blindingly fast. Also, you can use money outside your poker bankroll to buy things... Once again, he is very new to poker, and isn't even comfortable with the felt. As someone who understands the programs such as you or myself, it can be extremely beneficial no doubt. But for someone who doesn't even know that he should be folding 23s, especially against a 52/47 fish. HEM won't be useful at all. He'll just look and see that the average person at the table is like 68/8 and so he'll assume that to be the norm. Whereas he won't understand, that "tight is right" to the extent that we do. HEM is a great tool to expand your knowledge of online poker. However, it's really not even useful until you hit NL25/NL50 in my opinion where it's a much more variation of a "reg" and a "fish". And knowing who is who is a great tool. But at NL2/NL5/NL10, and even NL25 for the most part, you can easily assume it's maybe 1-2 other BAD reg's and everyone else is a fish. . Um when did I say this? I'm fully aware that blindly playing based on stats isn't good. However, anyone playing a ridiculous style (80/10, 90/30, etc.) is simply NOT going to be a good player, and is going to be donating money at a insane rate. Being able to spot these players and exploit them to the maximum is going to really strengthen your winrate. Poker is a game of information, and if you want to sit at 1-2 tables carefully observing how each player plays and take notes on their tendencies then that is 100% fine and will probably help you a lot as a player. However, it is much easier to have a program to give you a general idea of how someone plays, and take only specific notes pertaining to certain significant situations. I also stand by my statement that the math behind your action is of the utmost importance. Some situations just will not be profitable, no matter how good you are, how bad your opponent is, or how much information you have about them. Like I said before, the best way to improve as a player is to think about every single situation and think about multiple ways the hand could have played out. Thinking "what if a different card came out, and he raised, would I fold?" then understand why. This way, instead of playing 1-2 hands at a time, you're playing 10+ as you think about so many situations that will GREATLY improve you at a much more rapid pace than playing 18/15 on 12+ tables. Playing with a HUD is good for the mass-multitabling players who are playing 16-24 tables on stars aiming for SNE. Everyone else if they're serious at improving as a player should sit down at no more than 4 tables at once and pay attention to what every player is doing. You talked about how finding a fish whose playing 80/10 or 90/30 is incredibly valuable. If you pay any attention at all you'll understand that some player is playing every hand and that will mean he is mostly playing shitty hands. Anyone can understand whose playing too much. You don't need numbers to tell you that. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
The HUD is especially interesting, because it almost feels like cheating. I can definitely see how a good player can abuse all these information, or even manipulate their own information to fool others at higher levels. I definitely feel I can iron out weaknesses in my play through it, and that's great. How many hands should I wait though, before I can make a decent reading out of there VP/PR reading? I feel a lot of that reading under 50 hands could just be random variants in hands. Also, I find it amazing that people can record that type of information in offline tournaments. Also, how tight do top players like Elky, Phil Ivy and Rekrul play online? PS: Sorry about the name, lol. If it makes the people who wanted Pokemon feel better I could probably write an adventures in Pokemon as I used to play Shoddy Battle a lot. | ||
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Athos
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dasanivan
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
it's a whole lot funner. | ||
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Chef
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.01/.02 was a wake up call for me. HAHAHA oh man. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
i chuckled as well ;o | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36389 Posts
if i had to say anything about poker, its that its not very hard to be a great player intelligence wise, but its infinitely more difficult to become a great player discipline wise. in fact, i'd say its 80% discipline and 20% raw intelligence (or skill level or ability or w/e). if you arent very smart but you are very disciplined and patient, you can still make a lot of money. but you can be the best poker player in the world and if you don't have that discipline... well you will have a very tough time. the worst poker stories are often very intelligent people that simply cant control themselves. | ||
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Athos
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Poker is all about adjusting. For new players it's fine to play a single strategy and keep to it no matter what simply because you need experience to 'mix it up'. Also, a single solid strategy beats the micro limits easily so why bother experimenting already. Once you gain more experience you can play more hands or try out other stuff. For the most part I agree with CaucasianAsian btw. Elite brings up good points if you have some experience. Seeing as you're a beginner, the advice he's giving is too advanced (not saying you can't understand what he's saying, but the way he says you should play is too advanced for you still). | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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Guin
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XenOsky
Chile2303 Posts
this is newbie friendly poker advice that i usually give my friends that are just strating: BASIC GAMEPLAY ADVICE: 1) CALL BUTTON IS FORBBIDEN for you for now. Raise or fold preflop. 2) PLAY IN POSITION , raise Cutoff or Button more "freely" than any other position.+ Show Spoiler + DOESNT MEAN 49o is an open raise, have standards. 3) NO HERO PLAYS , if you think u're flipping for stacks, just fold, wait for a better spot. 4) FACING A CHECK-RAISE aggression is a massive warning in low limits, check raise all in is almost always Nuts... 5) BE PATIENT , overfolding is better than overcalling. 6) DONT BE EMOTIONAL bitch trait, 2+2=4 no matter how you feel about it. Sad or happy 2+2=4, feelings dont affect math. BASIC STUDY ADVICE: 1) Get a feel for Pre flop ranges: try to understand what 15%, 20%, 25%, 30%, etc PFR looks like. 2) get a feel for flop texture: AAK board vs 26J board, which one is better given the Pre flop action for me to continue betting on ? 3) Understand Equity: what % of cards help me in the future? which ones are really bad to continue on? 4) Understand odds: opponnent is offering me 4:1, is a call profitable long term? 5) Understand implied odds: if i hit my card, how much money can i win? 6) Bet sizing: how much i should bet here to accomplish my goal of making him call with worst or fold better? the other shit, like exploiting tendencies and adjusting your range to your opponents stats, is just too advanced for now, i mean that u will get into too many weird spots postflop for you too handle properly, is ok to experiment and say "fuck it, i call" once in a while, but don't make it a habit. Play very basic poker, learn the fundamentals very well, and over time u will win and move into more interesting playstyles. Remember that online poker is way harder than live poker, so if you can slowly get to NL50 and be winning there, u will be a favorite in most casinos vs random drunk dudes or degen mofos, so is a win-win situation to learn how to play properly from the beggining. Have the mindset of playing well over winning big at the beggining, feel proud of good discipline folds, feel proud of having the patience to wait for a good spot, feel proud of your study hours. i think that the most difficult concept to understand is that you really need A LOT of hands, at least like 250k, to know if you're winning or lossing money, don't worry about single sessions win/lose, ofc if you are lossing like 20 Buy ins per session, then u're doing some massive mistakes, but in general if you win 3 one day, and lose 3 the next, that shit is really normal, dont stress about it. the rest is just like playing starcraft, you repeat the same build till you master it and move onto the next one when you feel ready (aka have enough bankroll) On November 28 2009 17:50 Athos wrote: Day 3 now: I lost some money today, however I had a bit of fun playing sit and go's. I'm starting to see how helpful it is to have principles ingrained in math, so I'm trying to use the rule of 4-2 to calculate pot odds. Only problem with this is that I'm terribad at math, and can never finish the calculation before my timer runs out. I guess these things only come with lots of practice. this may help ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/J5rMjbW.jpg) | ||
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