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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 05:39:15
November 12 2009 05:38 GMT
#21
Uh.. when you spam... what are you spamming? I certainly don't hit a s p o or whatever unit command key. Too scared of stopping all my scvs while I drag select all my miner scvs and stuff lol. I spam 12312312131 repeatedly o_O

Macro keys are whatever you use to get back to your production buildings. If you hotkey a building then that would be your macro key. (I use 2, so I double tap 2. Hotkeying a screen would be F2 or F3 then, like Misrah said)

Edit:
On November 12 2009 14:05 Kenpachi wrote:
spamming = using the number keys right? if not, it doesnt help me at all :l

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On November 12 2009 14:03 KawaiiRice wrote:

Edit: If you can't use 0-9... why can't you use the numbers? Are you just not used to reaching up there? After doing it many times it should become second nature and then you'll get faster...


if i cant use 0-9 (Numbers) why can i use the numbers (0-9?)


And sorry there I was indirectly asking you why you say you can't use 0-9 but I guess I should have been more direct. lol
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Papvin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark610 Posts
November 12 2009 06:04 GMT
#22
Apm is important, just watch any progamer. But doing an active effort to increase your apm just to increase your apm is stupid. What I can recommend you for improving your apm for the sake of carrying out your game better is:
Keep your hands warm. A good way to do this is fx to spam a bit in the start of the game, playing in a warm room and such kind of things. When your hands are cold you simply cannot perform aswell, and your apm will decrease in a way affecting your game.
Know what you want to do. If you got everything in early game planned out and are quite sure about your midgame plan, you will know which tasks you want to do. Knowing what to do is obviously not enough, but here comes your need for a potentially higher apm. You now have a clear need of a higher apm instead of a "man I can't win anything with an apm below 100"-attitude, and trust me, it'll help you improve your game so much more than beforementioned.

So really; when you play, know what you want to do (and I by no means mean a deep stategical insight, just like a basic BO and plan), see where your apm limits you and work from there.
Hope it helps -.-.
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StalinRusH
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States734 Posts
November 12 2009 06:07 GMT
#23
Kenpachi doesnt need to have apm, he used brute force
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Cu(oCo)
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Italy358 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 07:41:18
November 12 2009 07:23 GMT
#24
apm are important. but 0-9 + fkeys are more important for a protoss
a good way to learn how to do apm is to learn a build order and pratice it like no tomorrow
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wok
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States504 Posts
November 12 2009 08:17 GMT
#25
I'm probably going to lose to a guy with 20 apm tomorrow.
I'll race you to defeatism... you win.
2on2
Profile Joined April 2009
United States142 Posts
November 12 2009 15:18 GMT
#26
Why are you training your APM instead of practicing a particular matchup or build? Koreans with high apm spam moves constantly because they are performing micro and macro actions back to back.

If you have low apm chances are you lack micro or macro and you need to refine your mechanics which overtime will increase your apm.

Use your F-keys, Hotkeys, dont click actions you can use the keyboard (ie upgrades), etc

Play smoother, multi-task better, you dont need to spam (spamming doesnt make you a better player) and all of your actions should count for something.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 15:33:22
November 12 2009 15:32 GMT
#27
I'm C+ level and I can beat C+ players with 120 apm O_O

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520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
November 12 2009 15:46 GMT
#28
There is no such thing as "losing because I don't have APM." There are players at C+ and B level with ~100 APM.
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shurgen
Profile Joined October 2009
350 Posts
November 12 2009 16:37 GMT
#29
higher apm comes from knowing the build inside out and knowing what to do with out thinking. you "can" train apm to some extent, but if you are constantly thinking about your next move or whatnot, you aren't going to be able to keep your eapm up regardless
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
November 12 2009 16:40 GMT
#30
why do you wanna use 9-0?

I mean, I use it for nexus and probes, and I never take my right hand off the mouse. Im fine clicking any keys with my left hand.
Maybe just use the left hand?

Anyway, a lot of protoss save nexus on 4-5 or even lower.
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
November 12 2009 17:04 GMT
#31
I think your special eye patch is eating some of your apm reiatsu.

Remove this when you are about to 'get serious' during a game. That should fix your problem.

Also remember, to use both hands, that is much more powerful than just using one hand.
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JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
November 12 2009 17:44 GMT
#32
On November 13 2009 02:04 BlasiuS wrote:
I think your special eye patch is eating some of your apm reiatsu.

Remove this when you are about to 'get serious' during a game. That should fix your problem.

Also remember, to use both hands, that is much more powerful than just using one hand.

Wearing bells in your hair and having a kid girl on your shoulder is probably making your apm lower too.

don't fight with people who wear masks. Of course you wouldn't know if its on iccup.

Also, try to take criticism positively instead of react like a kid to everything others say.

P.s. try to find out the name of your zealot's zanpaktou while your at it.
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
November 12 2009 17:58 GMT
#33
On November 13 2009 00:46 scintilliaSD wrote:
There is no such thing as "losing because I don't have APM." There are players at C+ and B level with ~100 APM.


100 is ridiculously low for starcraft. I don't care what anybody says.
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Horiz0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Sweden364 Posts
November 12 2009 18:40 GMT
#34
This is a fun game to practice speed on but the best thing is probally playing lots of games



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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 12 2009 20:37 GMT
#35
I sorta want training to USE the 1a2a3a keys which will raise my APM.

I lowered my mouse sensitivity so i can use my numbers more efficiently. I always have the urge to stop using what i hotkeyed and use my mouse for everything
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
November 13 2009 02:24 GMT
#36
On November 13 2009 05:37 Kenpachi wrote:
I sorta want training to USE the 1a2a3a keys which will raise my APM.

I lowered my mouse sensitivity so i can use my numbers more efficiently. I always have the urge to stop using what i hotkeyed and use my mouse for everything

(to paraphrase) then stop trying to use 1a2a3a and just USE 1a2a3a

seriously some of the things you're trying to tell us is useless if you don't actually use it. Don't go around saying "oh halp my mouse sucks cos i don't use the keyboard *whine*" etc. ad nauseum. Considering P is the easiest introductory race to start with i don't see why you would want to complain so much over something so unnecessary.

Now switch to T/Z =P
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-13 03:15:45
November 13 2009 03:14 GMT
#37
On November 13 2009 11:24 JFKWT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2009 05:37 Kenpachi wrote:
I sorta want training to USE the 1a2a3a keys which will raise my APM.

I lowered my mouse sensitivity so i can use my numbers more efficiently. I always have the urge to stop using what i hotkeyed and use my mouse for everything

(to paraphrase) then stop trying to use 1a2a3a and just USE 1a2a3a

seriously some of the things you're trying to tell us is useless if you don't actually use it. Don't go around saying "oh halp my mouse sucks cos i don't use the keyboard *whine*" etc. ad nauseum. Considering P is the easiest introductory race to start with i don't see why you would want to complain so much over something so unnecessary.

Now switch to T/Z =P


I changed from P to Z out of Boredom/ amazingness of Jaedong. I changed from Z to T out of Boredom. I changed from T to P out of Boredom/Frustration. Protoss is hard to use. when i ment 1a2a3a, 1a2a3a were just examples. i find it unnessecary to do anything like 6z7z8z since it takes a longer time to do that... im training to use my hotkeys so i can get my left hand to move faster on the keyboard. I never said i dont use my keyboard. i said i cant use my numbers...
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Protoss is hard
Protoss is hard
Protoss is hard
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
November 13 2009 04:10 GMT
#38
On November 13 2009 12:14 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2009 11:24 JFKWT wrote:
On November 13 2009 05:37 Kenpachi wrote:
I sorta want training to USE the 1a2a3a keys which will raise my APM.

I lowered my mouse sensitivity so i can use my numbers more efficiently. I always have the urge to stop using what i hotkeyed and use my mouse for everything

(to paraphrase) then stop trying to use 1a2a3a and just USE 1a2a3a

seriously some of the things you're trying to tell us is useless if you don't actually use it. Don't go around saying "oh halp my mouse sucks cos i don't use the keyboard *whine*" etc. ad nauseum. Considering P is the easiest introductory race to start with i don't see why you would want to complain so much over something so unnecessary.

Now switch to T/Z =P


I changed from P to Z out of Boredom/ amazingness of Jaedong. I changed from Z to T out of Boredom. I changed from T to P out of Boredom/Frustration. Protoss is hard to use. when i ment 1a2a3a, 1a2a3a were just examples. i find it unnessecary to do anything like 6z7z8z since it takes a longer time to do that... im training to use my hotkeys so i can get my left hand to move faster on the keyboard. I never said i dont use my keyboard. i said i cant use my numbers...
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Protoss is hard
Protoss is hard
Protoss is hard

Learn the piano or something. Or you could learn touch typing.
Most people around here wouldn't say protoss is hard until maybe beyong C or B level on iccup O_o
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 13 2009 20:27 GMT
#39
On November 13 2009 13:10 JFKWT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2009 12:14 Kenpachi wrote:
On November 13 2009 11:24 JFKWT wrote:
On November 13 2009 05:37 Kenpachi wrote:
I sorta want training to USE the 1a2a3a keys which will raise my APM.

I lowered my mouse sensitivity so i can use my numbers more efficiently. I always have the urge to stop using what i hotkeyed and use my mouse for everything

(to paraphrase) then stop trying to use 1a2a3a and just USE 1a2a3a

seriously some of the things you're trying to tell us is useless if you don't actually use it. Don't go around saying "oh halp my mouse sucks cos i don't use the keyboard *whine*" etc. ad nauseum. Considering P is the easiest introductory race to start with i don't see why you would want to complain so much over something so unnecessary.

Now switch to T/Z =P


I changed from P to Z out of Boredom/ amazingness of Jaedong. I changed from Z to T out of Boredom. I changed from T to P out of Boredom/Frustration. Protoss is hard to use. when i ment 1a2a3a, 1a2a3a were just examples. i find it unnessecary to do anything like 6z7z8z since it takes a longer time to do that... im training to use my hotkeys so i can get my left hand to move faster on the keyboard. I never said i dont use my keyboard. i said i cant use my numbers...
+ Show Spoiler +
Protoss is hard
Protoss is hard
Protoss is hard

Learn the piano or something. Or you could learn touch typing.
Most people around here wouldn't say protoss is hard until maybe beyong C or B level on iccup O_o


o_o... i play piano...
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
November 14 2009 01:50 GMT
#40
If you can't use 09, why not trying to use the progamer protoss method of keeping probe production under control? Basically they use F2 and F3 and F4 and center them around their first three nexus's. then they just cycle through like that. Although it isn't as convenient, since you play the piano it shouldn't be hard. Think of it like jumping from one chord to another or something until you're accustomed to the awkwardness first presented
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