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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-14 03:14:50
November 12 2009 04:51 GMT
#1
"The best way to train APM is to play Starcraft"

The APM Maps on this site dont really help imo. Im a Toss player who has a range of 70-120 APM. My problem is that I CANT USE MY 0-9 WHILE PLAYING STARCRAFT. my mouse moves 2x faster than my left hand so i come to a solution.

Play Starcraft with half Mouse sensitivity!!!
Thoughts?

Edit: when i ment i cant use my 0-9 (0123456789...), i ment im not comfortable using them. I NEED to use them to play better.

*****
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
November 12 2009 04:57 GMT
#2
Best way to improve apm is to just load up a single player game and start spamming your face off till your averaging at least 250-300apm even if ur not doing anything useful training your hands to move that fast is more important than anything if your working on focusing improving APM from the low 100's.

Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17080 Posts
November 12 2009 04:58 GMT
#3
Instead of improving your APM, you should probably learn how to be better at the game.
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numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
November 12 2009 05:00 GMT
#4
Play zerg and muta harass every game. It worked for me, no jokes. Went from 100-120apm to 160-180apm. My zerg still averages ~200 though
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 12 2009 05:00 GMT
#5
On November 12 2009 13:58 Empyrean wrote:
Instead of improving your APM, you should probably learn how to be better at the game.


My problem is to macro while attacking
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17080 Posts
November 12 2009 05:02 GMT
#6
You could just send your units on attack-move, go back to your base to macro for a few seconds, and then position around/cast spells/do whatever during the battle. Take all of the little lulls where nothing's happening except units attacking each other to focus on making more units.

Even if you lose the battle, you'll have superior macro and more units for later.
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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 05:04:45
November 12 2009 05:03 GMT
#7
On November 12 2009 13:51 Kenpachi wrote:
"The best way to train APM is to play Starcraft"

The APM Maps on this site dont really help imo. Im a Toss player who has a range of 70-120 APM. My problem is that I CANT USE MY 0-9 WHILE PLAYING STARCRAFT. my mouse moves 2x faster than my left hand so i come to a solution.

Play Starcraft with half Mouse sensitivity!!!
Thoughts?


Playing with half sensitivity is pointless. You have to adjust to the slow sensitivity and then if your left hand catches up then you switch them back... or something. Moving your hands is more of a mental thing. Try the BlueIris exercise where your entire goal is nonstop spamming to keep a certain APM in a game against a computer (use some APM counter like one with chaos).

Edit: If you can't use 0-9... why can't you use the numbers? Are you just not used to reaching up there? After doing it many times it should become second nature and then you'll get faster...
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 05:07:07
November 12 2009 05:05 GMT
#8
spamming = using the number keys right? if not, it doesnt help me at all :l

On November 12 2009 14:03 KawaiiRice wrote:

Edit: If you can't use 0-9... why can't you use the numbers? Are you just not used to reaching up there? After doing it many times it should become second nature and then you'll get faster...


if i cant use 0-9 (Numbers) why can i use the numbers (0-9?)
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
November 12 2009 05:16 GMT
#9
Worry less about apm, worry more about why your losing. hint: apm is not the reason. APM means nothing
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 12 2009 05:19 GMT
#10
On November 12 2009 14:16 Misrah wrote:
Worry less about apm, worry more about why your losing. hint: apm is not the reason. APM means nothing


I lose mostly cuz of my apm..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
November 12 2009 05:20 GMT
#11
On November 12 2009 14:16 Misrah wrote:
Worry less about apm, worry more about why your losing. hint: apm is not the reason. APM means nothing


really hate these posts....

if apm means nothing why do pros average higher apm than amatures, why do they average higher than foreigners?????

im not saying there is some definitive 1:1 correlation but saying it means nothing is just dumb.

and i can for certain say that someone with 40 apm, it will be impossible for them to hit a-
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
November 12 2009 05:23 GMT
#12
APM= effort. Trying to make any more use of APM as a benchmark for anything is useless imo

Is there a 'base' apm that players need to be successful? yes. But that comes with time, not through force.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
November 12 2009 05:24 GMT
#13
Improving APM takes a conscious effort, exercises involving spamming a high APM are supposed to get you used to the speed so you don't have to be focusing on APM all the time.
Make someone watch you play and yell at you to play faster!
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 05:26:16
November 12 2009 05:24 GMT
#14
On November 12 2009 14:23 Misrah wrote:
APM= effort. Trying to make any more use of APM as a benchmark for anything is useless imo

Is there a 'base' apm that players need to be successful? yes. But that comes with time, not through force.


Im going to use that time with half my mouse speed and more 1a2a3a4a5a6z7z8z9p0p

On November 12 2009 14:24 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
Improving APM takes a conscious effort, exercises involving spamming a high APM are supposed to get you used to the speed so you don't have to be focusing on APM all the time.
Make someone watch you play and yell at you to play faster!


this is win
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
November 12 2009 05:26 GMT
#15
your being stupid saying 'i can't use the 0-9 keys' that is a really stupid cop out, and frankly lowering your mouse sensitivity will do nothing but hurt your game. You are going about this all wrong, and i don't know how else to tell you that. just play more, and stop mental blocking yourself with I CAN'T 0-9
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 12 2009 05:27 GMT
#16
On November 12 2009 14:26 Misrah wrote:
your being stupid saying 'i can't use the 0-9 keys' that is a really stupid cop out, and frankly lowering your mouse sensitivity will do nothing but hurt your game. You are going about this all wrong, and i don't know how else to tell you that. just play more, and stop mental blocking yourself with I CAN'T 0-9


so your telling me to attack and wait for everything to die then macro while i get rolled every single game?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
November 12 2009 05:31 GMT
#17
FOR GOD SAKES- this is the last time that i am going to try and help you.

USE YOUR MACRO KEYS. Stop saying you can't, and just make a conscious effort to start using them while you play. Start off only using 1-3 or try using F2 or F3 to get back to your gates. Christ you are going about this problem the way a 6 year old would. 'i can't use these keys like the rest of the SC community' 'i can't do it that way' 'i can't macro or micro'

Stop selling yourself so short. Even if you play really badly with your macros the first few times get over it and just keep practicing. Instead of F5in this thread every min, you should use your F keys in games.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
November 12 2009 05:32 GMT
#18
On November 12 2009 14:27 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2009 14:26 Misrah wrote:
your being stupid saying 'i can't use the 0-9 keys' that is a really stupid cop out, and frankly lowering your mouse sensitivity will do nothing but hurt your game. You are going about this all wrong, and i don't know how else to tell you that. just play more, and stop mental blocking yourself with I CAN'T 0-9


so your telling me to attack and wait for everything to die then macro while i get rolled every single game?
He's telling you get used to using 0-9. O_o.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 12 2009 05:32 GMT
#19
On November 12 2009 14:31 Misrah wrote:
FOR GOD SAKES- this is the last time that i am going to try and help you.

USE YOUR MACRO KEYS. Stop saying you can't, and just make a conscious effort to start using them while you play. Start off only using 1-3 or try using F2 or F3 to get back to your gates. Christ you are going about this problem the way a 6 year old would. 'i can't use these keys like the rest of the SC community' 'i can't do it that way' 'i can't macro or micro'

Stop selling yourself so short. Even if you play really badly with your macros the first few times get over it and just keep practicing. Instead of F5in this thread every min, you should use your F keys in games.


what are macro keys
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
theron[wdt]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States395 Posts
November 12 2009 05:33 GMT
#20
practice practice practice, no spamming
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