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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 04:19:12
November 09 2009 04:07 GMT
#1
So I got a new fun one from friend. Again, try your best, post answer in spoilers, and have fun!

I think most people probably can't wait too long to see the final answer so I'll just put the answer in spoiler of the day, as I don't have much time as before where I could post puzzle for a day, wait for answers, and post right answer the next day...

Question:
There are 3 people, one is blind.
There are 2 white hats, 3 black hats.
I put 3 of those hats on the 3 people. Each person can see other two's hat color but not his own, blind person cannot see anything.
They want to guess their own hat color
There is a long silence then, the blind person says "I know my own hat color"

How?

+ Show Spoiler [answer] +

+ Show Spoiler [u sure? it'll spoil all the fun] +

Blind person is wearing black hat, here's why:
Let's call the 3 people p1,p2,b.

If b=white, then 2 cases:
b = white, p1 = white, p2 = black (1)
b = white, p1 = black, p2 = black (2)
b = white, p1 = black, p2 = white (symmetric to 1)

In case 1, p2 will see 2 white, and say that he himself is black.
In case 2, p1 will see a white and a black, and not know his own color and remain quiet. However, p2, noticing that p1 is quiet, will reason:
If I am wearing white, then p1 would've said something as in case 1. Since p1 is quiet, I must be wearing black.
Therefore p2 will say that he himself is black.

Therefore the blind person cannot be wearing white.
Therefore he must wear black



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betaben
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
681 Posts
November 09 2009 04:12 GMT
#2
you need to include the fact that they need to guess their own hat colour. at the moment, you give them the hats and they do not need to guess anything.
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
November 09 2009 04:13 GMT
#3
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I think in the question it should say that the people do say something if they know their own hat colour. And it's not really a math puzzle, it's more like a logic puzzle.
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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
November 09 2009 04:13 GMT
#4
It would help if you explained the people want to say their own hat color.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
November 09 2009 04:19 GMT
#5
On November 09 2009 13:12 betaben wrote:
you need to include the fact that they need to guess their own hat colour. at the moment, you give them the hats and they do not need to guess anything.

thx, added.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 04:22:12
November 09 2009 04:21 GMT
#6
Well, assuming that the men have some reason to announce their hat colors, he might reason
+ Show Spoiler +

1. If either sighted man sees two white hats, he will know his own hat is black. Therefore, the blind man's hat is black or both sighted men's hats are black.
2. If the blind man's hat is white, both sighted men's hats must be black. Therefore, since each sighted man can go through the same reasoning: "If both my hat and the blind man's hat are white, the other man would know his is black. Since he hasn't said anything, my hat must be black," but in fact, neither has figured this out, the blind man knows his hat must be black, thus giving the other men no useful information.

edit: problem was corrected as I typed
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numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 04:27:53
November 09 2009 04:26 GMT
#7
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If he and one other are white then the remaining person would be able to determine themselves as a black hat.
If he was the only white hat, one of the other two would be able to determine themselves as a black hat. This is because they would realize that the other could not determine himself as a black hat following the above, so the other person must not see two white hats.
Therefore he realizes that if he has a white hat, one of the other two can solve the problem. Because they cannot solve it, he must have a black hat.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 05:03:30
November 09 2009 05:00 GMT
#8
is it this

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the room is pretty damn dark and if everyone was wearing black hats no one would've been able to see anythnig and thus the long silence.

so thus the blind person is also wearing a black hat
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 09 2009 05:03 GMT
#9
your answer sucks
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
November 09 2009 05:03 GMT
#10
On November 09 2009 14:00 alffla wrote:
is it this

+ Show Spoiler +


the room is pretty damn dark and if everyone was wearing black hats no one would've been able to see anythnig and thus the long silence.



no.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 09 2009 05:04 GMT
#11
Lol... the question is poorly phrased. It's less of a math problem, and more of a Mensa brainteaser. Like a guy in a scuba suit is found in a forest, how does he get there?
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 09 2009 05:04 GMT
#12
On November 09 2009 14:04 meeple wrote:
Lol... the question is poorly phrased. It's less of a math problem, and more of a Mensa brainteaser. Like a guy in a scuba suit is found in a forest, how does he get there?


puts on a scuba suit and walks to a forest???
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
November 09 2009 05:10 GMT
#13
Question was cool. Nice puzzle, thanks evan!
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arcology
Profile Joined April 2009
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 05:21:59
November 09 2009 05:18 GMT
#14
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No, in case 2, p2 was actually suspicious that p1 was trying to trick him by remaining quiet, and so he remained quiet himself. Therefore the blind guy wouldn't know his color.

Sure you can add depth to the problem to give an answer, but then you can add even more depth to make that answer invalid.
Kwidowmaker
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada978 Posts
November 09 2009 05:25 GMT
#15
On November 09 2009 13:13 dcberkeley wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I think in the question it should say that the people do say something if they know their own hat colour. And it's not really a math puzzle, it's more like a logic puzzle.


Math is logic.

I mean numbers are made of empty sets, come on.
Kk.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 09 2009 05:31 GMT
#16
On November 09 2009 14:04 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2009 14:04 meeple wrote:
Lol... the question is poorly phrased. It's less of a math problem, and more of a Mensa brainteaser. Like a guy in a scuba suit is found in a forest, how does he get there?


puts on a scuba suit and walks to a forest???



Nope sorry, his name is aquaman and he's an action figure that a little kid was playing with while camping. Good try though
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
November 09 2009 05:43 GMT
#17
On November 09 2009 14:10 El.Divino wrote:
Question was cool. Nice puzzle, thanks evan!

no problem :3
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
November 09 2009 06:00 GMT
#18
yeah question needs to be reworded to say "if a person knows his hat color then he will say something," I didn't get the long silence part as part of the problem. I deduced black and was right for the wrong reason.
"If you can chill..........then chill."
onewingedmoogle
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada434 Posts
November 09 2009 06:33 GMT
#19
i didnt know they would say their own hat color if they knew it.....
Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
November 09 2009 06:33 GMT
#20
On November 09 2009 14:00 alffla wrote:
is it this

+ Show Spoiler +


the room is pretty damn dark and if everyone was wearing black hats no one would've been able to see anythnig and thus the long silence.

so thus the blind person is also wearing a black hat


I solved it using trivial logic initially, but I find this solution much more clever
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