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Meat is not unhealthy...
Since you're already skinny you losing 4-5 pounds doesn't exactly correlate with being a healthier person in general. Also, if you want to keep growing and maintain more muscle, meat will help a lot.
Takes willpower and determination to be a vegetarian though and definitely is not something bad to be doing. Good job so far :D GL 
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On September 02 2009 12:44 Superiorwolf wrote:Meat is not unhealthy... Since you're already skinny you losing 4-5 pounds doesn't exactly correlate with being a healthier person in general. Also, if you want to keep growing and maintain more muscle, meat will help a lot. Takes willpower and determination to be a vegetarian though and definitely is not something bad to be doing. Good job so far :D GL
im doing it cuz i'm also a runner, and my cross country coach is a vegetarian and he said that he has noticed way faster recovery from not eating meat after running 10 miles than before. So i'm giving it a shot too.
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rofl Veggie-Terrans,
Just beware of dt's, without meat in your diet, you can't fend off dt drops. JKJK
If your friends are vegetarian, I think that it will definetly help. With more people around you all doing the same thing, it's easier to stick to it.
I don't really have an opinion on vegetarians, they're just people that made a different choice. I definetly couldn't live without meat, but GL and also make your you HF as well.
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I've not been considering becoming a vegetarian, but I have thought somewhat about reducing my overall protein intake. There is mounting evidence that higher-protein diets may have some correlation (note that I'm careful not to imply causality here whatsoever) with a host of chronic ailments, notably cancer.
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Don't do it! I'm completely against the whole vegetarian movement.
I may as well leave this blog, I'm not going to be motivating you one bit 
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I'll try cutting down on my meat intake after reading this. My parents will probably ask "why aren't you eating meat, you love meat" and get suspicious. What are some common foods that are high in protein besides beans and nuts though?
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On September 02 2009 12:48 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 12:44 Superiorwolf wrote:Meat is not unhealthy... Since you're already skinny you losing 4-5 pounds doesn't exactly correlate with being a healthier person in general. Also, if you want to keep growing and maintain more muscle, meat will help a lot. Takes willpower and determination to be a vegetarian though and definitely is not something bad to be doing. Good job so far :D GL im doing it cuz i'm also a runner, and my cross country coach is a vegetarian and he said that he has noticed way faster recovery from not eating meat after running 10 miles than before. So i'm giving it a shot too.
That is complete bullshit, and a thing that is entirely in his mind. Not eating meat simply to be 'more healthy' is really stupid. It takes an excessive amount of suppliments and way over picky eating to trying to maintain even average health without eating meat.
Meat rocks man, eat it if you can.
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I'm not totally knowledgeable but I think there's different kinds of proteins. Like I think eggs, tofu and milk all have tons of protein.
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eggs mushrooms tofu all have protein as well.
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United States24692 Posts
On September 02 2009 12:57 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 12:48 YPang wrote:On September 02 2009 12:44 Superiorwolf wrote:Meat is not unhealthy... Since you're already skinny you losing 4-5 pounds doesn't exactly correlate with being a healthier person in general. Also, if you want to keep growing and maintain more muscle, meat will help a lot. Takes willpower and determination to be a vegetarian though and definitely is not something bad to be doing. Good job so far :D GL im doing it cuz i'm also a runner, and my cross country coach is a vegetarian and he said that he has noticed way faster recovery from not eating meat after running 10 miles than before. So i'm giving it a shot too. That is complete bullshit, and a thing that is entirely in his mind. Not eating meat simply to be 'more healthy' is really stupid. It takes an excessive amount of suppliments and way over picky eating to trying to maintain even average health without eating meat. Meat rocks man, eat it if you can.
Yeah I suppose.
All I can say YPang is if you want to eat more healthy... then eat more healthy! Don't just make some sudden semi-irrelevant change to your diet that isn't clearly going to be more healthy.
That aside, if you refuse to eat meat, then I suggest you study up on this a bit more formally than asking around on tl etc... It's tricky to remain healthy while eating as a vegeterian... it also seems like you really do need to learn about this since your current diet seems to consist of carbs carbs carbs.
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Ya, cabbage and spinach and some carrots seems like you'll definitely need some variety switch sometime soon The carbs in potatoes will probably be needed for running though so that's good. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of good vegetarian foods, not just the basic ones you are eating atm. You should research!
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
Good luck with going veggie. I'm *almost* vegetarian in the sense that now I've sworn off hamburgers and pork (Plus I've never eaten any seafood aside from the odd can of tuna because I don't like it and I also hate the smell of lamb.) and it's not too difficult to stick to as long as you get into regular habits.
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Meat is healthy
If you become a vegetarian because you want to be healthy, then you're being foolish. Vegetarians have to be very careful about their diets as there is a lot of essential stuff that is hard to come by in plants.
To be a vegetarian is to sacrifice a part of your diet because you have a belief that eating animals is wrong. You can have a much more healthy balanced diet if you allow meat into it.
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Calgary25981 Posts
I suggest you use science instead of your coach's baseless opinion.
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The only logical reason I've ever heard for being a vegetarian is for the environment.
1 pound of red meat is equivalent to 10 pounds or cereals. In other words it takes 10 times as much cereal to produce the amount of red meat we eat each day.
Any other reason than that is fucking bullshit. It's not more healthy to be a vegetarian. The only reason people feel more healthy is because meat usually comes with alot of other bad food (burgers, fried chicken etc) so when they stop eating meat they naturally stop eating anything bad that normally comes with it.
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A Vegetarian Diet:
Breakfast:
2 bowls of Captain crunch cereal
Lunch:
Potato chips
Leftover cheese pizza
Dinner:
A bag of chips
A veggie burger on white bread
Ice Cream
Points is there are ways to be healthy eating meat and there are ways to be healthy that don't involve eating meat... And vice versa.
If you wanna cut out any meat I suggest beef and pork. Other than that man just eat what you think is healthy. It is really as simple as that. Meat can be a great comfort and energizer. I wouldn't be so ready to remove it from your diet.
On September 02 2009 13:13 Chill wrote:
I suggest you use science instead of your coach's baseless opinion.
Don't a lot of nutritionists say calories are the only things that matter?
On September 02 2009 13:15 Xela wrote:
The only logical reason I've ever heard for being a vegetarian is for the environment.
1 pound of red meat is equivalent to 10 pounds or cereals. In other words it takes 10 times as much cereal to produce the amount of red meat we eat each day.
Can I just say that you have a point with your first sentence then you managed to make yourself look like a complete dumbass?
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^^To Leperkahn: One of my dormmates last year was vegetarian...he ate tons of things like burritos. XD. And he was pretty damn fat and smelly too. So yeah, vegetarian != thin
Being completely vegetarian is a pretty hard diet to do.
I eat a small amount of meat about every other day since coming to university, and I feel a lot healthier then when I ate meat every day. I just feel so damn full eating meat all the time, it makes me sick. I just feel better eating mostly vegetarian.
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On September 02 2009 13:13 Chill wrote:
I suggest you use science instead of your coach's baseless opinion.
OH i forgot to mention, my coach is my AP bio teacher XD
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i dont plan on being a COMPLETE vegetarin, i'll have Milk/eggs for animal products.
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If you're still eating eggs and drinking milk, then you're probably not gonna have any kind of protein related problems, as they are fairly complete protein sources. Even if you don't eat those, there's plenty of other protein sources that are not animal derivatives.
Regarding the healthiness of meat, it may be that meat is considered less healthy because it's very dense on the calories, and people tend to eat too much meat (I'm extremely guilty of this one). A 20 year study on calorie intake and its effect on the lifespan of monkeys showed a significant increase in the lifespan of monkeys with calorie restricted diets.
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IMO you should eat Paleo.
It's very rare to see good vegetarian athletes. The protein quality and amount you only get from soy, nuts, etc.... even if you are ovo-lacto isn't all that great compared to meat. If you are doing heavy physical activity you need the meat for the protein for positive nitrogen balance to maintain musculature/strength/strength-endurance
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On September 02 2009 13:20 YPang wrote:
OH i forgot to mention, my coach is my AP bio teacher XD
OH, your BIO TEACHER
WELL THAT JUST CHANGES EVERYTHING XD
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So by removing a major source of protein from your diet, you recover faster? Instead of becoming a vegetarian, you could drink creatine shakes.
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Don't go vegtarian. Just monitor how much meat you Are putting inside your body.
Eat chicken dreasts and egg whites or w.e don't cut out meat. If you do go vege, eat tofu nuts and black beans I guess
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hehe i was a vegetarian for 2 years. i think it def makes you feel different. i didnt feel sluggish or anythin after eating. i liked it.
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My girlfriend is a vegetarian too. My advice is to be sure you're getting enough protein assuming you don't want to be tiny and you want to stay healthy. Getting enough protein is harder when you're vegetarian but it can be done. Dairys, beans, nuts, fish, eggs and other stuff are all good as well as some grains. There is protein powder as well that you can mix with water or with shakes/smoothies to get some extra there as well.
Would you consider just eating chicken and cutting out pork/beef/lamb? That's probably be a good compromise between being more healthy and still being able to maintain a balanced diet where you are getting everything your body needs, especially if you are going to be involved in athletics.
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On September 02 2009 14:42 Jonoman92 wrote:
My girlfriend is a vegetarian too. My advice is to be sure you're getting enough protein assuming you don't want to be tiny and you want to stay healthy. Getting enough protein is harder when you're vegetarian but it can be done. Dairys, beans, nuts, fish, eggs and other stuff are all good as well as some grains. There is protein powder as well that you can mix with water or with shakes/smoothies to get some extra there as well.
Would you consider just eating chicken and cutting out pork/beef/lamb? That's probably be a good compromise between being more healthy and still being able to maintain a balanced diet where you are getting everything your body needs, especially if you are going to be involved in athletics.
Fish is much better source of protein (plus healthier b/c of omega 3s.. not to mention most meat is grain fed = high in omega 6 w/o balancing omega 3s)... but it's so freakin' expensive.
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On September 02 2009 13:15 Xela wrote:
The only logical reason I've ever heard for being a vegetarian is for the environment.
1 pound of red meat is equivalent to 10 pounds or cereals. In other words it takes 10 times as much cereal to produce the amount of red meat we eat each day.
Lol you're right but you state it very oddly (dunno if English is your 1st language so sorry if it's not.) I think what I've learned was that the bigger the animal the worse the impact on the environment. So eating chicken is not so bad, eating pork is worse, and eating beef is the worst in terms of the cost to produce the meat. Cows require so much water/grain that if everyone ate as much beef as the average American we'd need like 20 planet Earths or something.
Also, you can't exactly compare cereal to meat because one does not replace the other since meat=maily protein/fat and cereal=vitamins/minerals (or sugar if you're eating the kiddie stuff). Some cereal might have some protein but unless it's something weird it won't have a lot. Combine them both are you're getting a good portion of what you need though.
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On September 02 2009 14:48 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 14:42 Jonoman92 wrote:
My girlfriend is a vegetarian too. My advice is to be sure you're getting enough protein assuming you don't want to be tiny and you want to stay healthy. Getting enough protein is harder when you're vegetarian but it can be done. Dairys, beans, nuts, fish, eggs and other stuff are all good as well as some grains. There is protein powder as well that you can mix with water or with shakes/smoothies to get some extra there as well.
Would you consider just eating chicken and cutting out pork/beef/lamb? That's probably be a good compromise between being more healthy and still being able to maintain a balanced diet where you are getting everything your body needs, especially if you are going to be involved in athletics. Fish is much better source of protein (plus healthier b/c of omega 3s.. not to mention most meat is grain fed = high in omega 6 w/o balancing omega 3s)... but it's so freakin' expensive.
Yea getting decent fish is a little bit more expensive but if you just buy it at the store and prepare it yourself it's still not too bad. I can have fish for a meal but it doesn't quite satiate me the same way as meat does. I never have heard of omega 6 before though.
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On September 02 2009 13:31 Slithe wrote:
If you're still eating eggs and drinking milk, then you're probably not gonna have any kind of protein related problems, as they are fairly complete protein sources. Even if you don't eat those, there's plenty of other protein sources that are not animal derivatives.
Regarding the healthiness of meat, it may be that meat is considered less healthy because it's very dense on the calories, and people tend to eat too much meat (I'm extremely guilty of this one). A 20 year study on calorie intake and its effect on the lifespan of monkeys showed a significant increase in the lifespan of monkeys with calorie restricted diets.
good point. Im not going to start whole new debate here, but there is an average amount of calories your body can intake and process throughout your lifetime. If you eat less/food with less calories you will generally live longer. Its a fact.
also back in a day i tried something called "macrobiotics", no meats, mostly grains, veggies, some fruit. I did lose few pounds even though i was skinny even before that but overall i felt really good. First of all, things like diff skin irritations, acne etc will disappear, your feces will smell 100 times better too. Your tongue will clear up, there will be none of that yellow shit on it. You wont ever stink when you sweat. Your eyes will be cleaner and shinier. You will feel less tired w/e you do. Thats not right away and you will crave meat and sweet things sooo much. I think ud have to give up drinkign milk though to fully enjoy these effects. But in a month you will start feeling much nicer then before. I was a runner back then and i felt that recovering was easier. Your body wastes a lot of energy on processing meats and junk food. It takes a lot longer to digest meats too.
im not a fanatic and i eat a lot of meat currently. But i do know it benefits your body if you dont
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United States4991 Posts
I've been vegetarian since I was about 8 years old (and I'm turning 23 shortly). It's not at all difficult the way people who eat meat like to claim it is.
My mom used to eat meat and have really stiff / painful finger joints, but when she went to being vegetarian like 4 years ago, it totally cleared up. Anecdotal completely unscientific evidence, but it worked for her!
(Btw I'm not vegan, so I do eat eggs/milk).
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Please keep sharing personal anecdotes detailing loosely defined diet changes under poorly controlled conditions which are totally valid for basing a decision on. :X
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United States4991 Posts
On September 02 2009 15:17 armed_ wrote:
Please keep sharing personal anecdotes detailing loosely defined diet changes under poorly controlled conditions which are totally valid for basing a decision on. :X
Please keep making posts which point out something I already originally stated in my post.
+ Show Spoiler [Hint] +
For what it's worth, she tried it again about a year after originally doing it and the stiffness/pain came back. I don't really see the relevance of your point though, since I already admitted it was unscientific & anecdotal when I originally said it.
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Glad. As a runner, this is a terrible decision for you. Your coach is a rarity, not the standard. Most good runners include meat in their diets to replenish their muscles after not only races but also any hard workout (a la intervals and ladders and other speed workouts). While you can still get protein, it just doesn't match what a good properly cooked slab of meat can do for you.(As someone said, the quality isn't there.)
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Can't believe people are so quick to try and stop you. I've been vegetarian for 5 years and have only gotten much healthier as time has gone on. I was vegan for 2 of those 5 years as well. Instead of just volunteering my opinion to you, I will just say this: you're more than welcome to PM me w/ questions or comments. GLHF. Do what YOU want.
VEGGIETERRANS UNITE!
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ypang you're a kawaiiiii little asian. No need to look slim or fit , just be goofy and dance like FBH. Girls will want to sex you up.
Don't buy jel, don't buy some abrocombie dress shirt. Just wear that tye-dye tshirt with jeans and sneakers and soooo kawaiii.
And dance like fbh.
eat whatever you want. Don't torture yourself. You want that red robin burger.
i agree with insane. He's always right.
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On September 02 2009 15:18 HnR)Insane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 15:17 armed_ wrote:
Please keep sharing personal anecdotes detailing loosely defined diet changes under poorly controlled conditions which are totally valid for basing a decision on. :X Please keep making posts which point out something I already originally stated in my post. + Show Spoiler [Hint] +For what it's worth, she tried it again about a year after originally doing it and the stiffness/pain came back. I don't really see the relevance of your point though, since I already admitted it was unscientific & anecdotal when I originally said it.
i think theres a good explanation for that, my dad was telling me something about deposits in joints and flexibility.. he is able to do the splits now even though he couldnt come close to that when he was young. All of this happened after he stopped eating meats so it is true
One other thing, though this is not really an exercise. Change your diet to decrease the amount of uric acid your body must eliminate, i.e. eat less meat. Uric acid builds in the joints and causes stiffness and pain; this is one reason most yoga people are vegetarian (not that I am, just passing along the "good" news). Hope this helps.
there is a scientific explanation after all~
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United States2186 Posts
If you decide to be vegetarian for health reasons, then you need to really eat healthy vegetarian stuff. Replacing meat with grains, potatoes, and cereal is a heavy downgrade healthwise.
Whether vegetarian diets are healthier than ones with meat is questionable and debatable, but if you're going to drop meat to be healthier then you better eat a great deal more fruits/veggies and a lot less, if any, cereal grains.
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if you are doing it for health and not some other reasons, there is no reason to avoid meat altogether, having a piece of chicken or red meat once or twice a week isnt going to kill you and wont do anything bad, just eat like 80-20 veggies meat and its perfectly fine.
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I've been doing it for 2 months. I'm not doing it simply because I want to get healthier. I've become a vegetarian because of ethical reasoning.
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On September 02 2009 13:20 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 13:13 Chill wrote:
I suggest you use science instead of your coach's baseless opinion. OH i forgot to mention, my coach is my AP bio teacher XD
So your coach is a huge moron? Cuz last I checked, proteins are pretty important for stuff like you're talkin about
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I actually do feel better, my stomach don't feel like its always stretched anymore when i was eating a meaty diet. Now it feels much lighter.
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lol at the ridiculous propaganda in this thread
my mom was terminally ill and then she stopped eating meat and her cancer went into remission, now she is living a healthier life and has taken up competitive bodybuilding
eating meats like chicken made my tummy hurt!
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On September 02 2009 22:16 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 13:20 YPang wrote:On September 02 2009 13:13 Chill wrote:
I suggest you use science instead of your coach's baseless opinion. OH i forgot to mention, my coach is my AP bio teacher XD So your coach is a huge moron? Cuz last I checked, proteins are pretty important for stuff like you're talkin about
Proteins are healthy. He can get protein from eggs or beans. Just because he's a vegetarian doesn't mean he's not getting protein. Actually learn your biology before you call people morons. The thing is, meat hives the most protein, but also contains fat. You can cut most of the fat in you diet by going vegetarian.
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On September 02 2009 15:18 HnR)Insane wrote:Please keep making posts which point out something I already originally stated in my post. + Show Spoiler [Hint] +
Please consider that given extremely close posting times our posts may have been written concurrently and my point may have been a general statement rather than a direct reply. ;P
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17 years with out red meat or chicken but I do eat fish on the rare occasion. My wife has been a vegi sometimes hard core vegan but latley shes been eating alot of fish.My daughter and son have never had any other meat than fish.
I also work at a pure vegan restaurant and it is NOT healthy food. The only reason I think we do well is it is the only place in town that is 100% vegan food. But again eating tons of fried food and fake meat subs is not healthy. www.lovinspoonfuls.com don't ever eat here the owner sucks and she insist on using expired product and not a few days we literally have vegi kielbasa and sausages that expired years ago, no joke. I never eat at the restaurant ever. She pays to well for me to up and leave though T_T like I would love to do.
Get some good cook books. Make sure you get all your essentials (i.e. COMPLETE proteins etc)
( Great book with many great flavors and tends to be fairly healthy food, The Art of Indian Vegetarian Cooking by Yamuna Devi)
To be honest I let my wife steer me in healthy food options, she works in the Nutrition field.She also teaches Nat 101 and Nats ummm some other number. She is much more schooled than I on such things if you have specific questions I can pass them on and then let you know.
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On September 02 2009 13:20 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 13:13 Chill wrote:
I suggest you use science instead of your coach's baseless opinion. OH i forgot to mention, my coach is my AP bio teacher XD
My AP bio teacher in high school didn't "believe" in evolution and refused to teach it. She was a fat dumb bitch.
Also, if you're gonna turn Vegetarian for health reasons. I highly recommend The China Study by Dr. Campbell so you can see the bullshit pseudoscience behind the vegetarian propaganda. That book convinced me to eat steak every day. I'm not being facetious.
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On September 03 2009 02:37 ero wrote:
Also, if you're gonna turn Vegetarian for health reasons. I highly recommend The China Study by Dr. Campbell so you can see the bullshit pseudoscience behind the vegetarian propaganda. That book convinced me to eat steak every day. I'm not being facetious.
That's just stupid. Health reasons aside, vegetarianism makes much more sense from an environmental/resource perspective as well.
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