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Protoss Grouping orders : ESC.Iefnaij

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Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-23 06:21:53
August 23 2009 04:27 GMT
#1
I'm on a mission to write down every single protoss pro players grouping orders. I'll start with the one closest to what I use (I started playing toss and more or less converged to the same grouping order JF uses here.).

I know there's a thread about protoss grouping orders but it didn't list all the top guys, which I plan to do at the very least for myself.

[image loading]


JF grouping.

Early game

1/2/3/4 - Nexus
5/6/7/8/9/0 - Empty

Early-Mid game

1 - Nexus main
2 - scouting probe
3 - building probe (probe to build units usually at base)
4 - First gateway
5 - second gateway
6/7/8/9 - Empty
0 - Nexus Main.

Mid game

1 - Nexus main
2 - Main unit army (dragoons/zealots)
3 - Shuttle
4/5/6 - Gate
9 - Third expo nexus
9- Expo nexus
0 - main nexus

Late Game

1/2/3/4 - units
5 - shuttle and it's units
6/7 - Gateways
8 - 3rd expo
9- 2nd expo
0 - main nexus

If units really spill out (or too many) he puts shuttle at 6/7 and all units 1-5. Then nexus's remain the same.
I'll edit this as I see other players too. I don't know how he places his fingers on each key though, that would be really cool to see an fpvod of his as well I guess.

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[image loading]


White-Ra Grouping.


Early game

6 - Nexus main
Rest empty.

Early-Mid game

1 - Building probe
6 - Nexus Main
0 - 1st Gateway

Then

1 - Scouting probe
2 - building probe
6 - Nexus
0 - 1st Gateway.

Mid game

1 - Dragoon/Zealot - Main unit pack that comes out
2 - scouting probe
6 - main nexus
9 - Second building being produced (example: robotics facility)
0 - 1st Gateway.

which goes on to become

1 - Dragoons/Main units --> units
2 - Observer -->units
3 - Shuttle
4 -
5 -
6 -
7 -
8 - 3rd Gateway (if second is on 9)
9 - Second gateway/Second production building whatever it is.
0 - 1st Gateway.

Late Game

1 - Dragoons/Main units --> units filling to 12
2 - Filling units to 12
3 - Usually Zealots but can be third set of units.
4 - Shuttle
5 -
6 - Nexus Main
7 -
8 - 3rd Gateway (if second is on 9)
9 - Second gateway/Second production building whatever it is.
0 - 1st Gateway.

Here on

1/2/3/4/5 - Units
6 - Main nexus
8/9/0 - Gateways.


Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
August 23 2009 04:39 GMT
#2
Exact same early game hotkeys as me when i play P xD.
sAviOr...
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
August 23 2009 04:50 GMT
#3
i thought 8-0 was standard for nexus? Especially early game because its closer to P?
U Gotta Skate.
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
August 23 2009 04:55 GMT
#4
There are some people who use 4 or 5 for the nexus, progamers and top foreigners. I for one can't play protoss unless I use 8-0 for nexuses ( actually, I have the same hotkey pattern like Iefnaij, 100%), putting the main nexus somewhere else than 0 would be really weird.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
August 23 2009 04:56 GMT
#5
I have White-Ra's which i'll update, he uses 6 for his nexus and 7/8/9/0 = gateways.
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
August 23 2009 05:14 GMT
#6
I've never understood how people can just change hotkeys during a game like that. When I use 1/2 for my Nexus I cannot just switch them to units, I'll always try to use them to get back to my base...
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
August 23 2009 05:25 GMT
#7
in mid game, main nexus is there twice. is that supposed to be like that?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
August 23 2009 05:34 GMT
#8
On August 23 2009 14:14 numLoCK wrote:
I've never understood how people can just change hotkeys during a game like that. When I use 1/2 for my Nexus I cannot just switch them to units, I'll always try to use them to get back to my base...

late game youre not supposed to use nexus hotkeys to get back to base. you're supposed to use F2, or if you're macroing out of gateways, alt+gatewayhotkey to center over your gateways.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
August 23 2009 06:03 GMT
#9
I could never get used to 123 nexus, I always have to use the 90 for the nexus. 0 for scout 9 nexus 87 expos 6 robo/obs and the rest are army and 5 is usually 1 gate so i can center to gates.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
August 23 2009 06:19 GMT
#10
White-Ra Grouping.


Early game

6 - Nexus main
Rest empty.

Early-Mid game


1 - Building probe
6 - Nexus Main
0 - 1st Gateway

Then

1 - Scouting probe
2 - building probe
6 - Nexus
0 - 1st Gateway.


Mid game


1 - Dragoon/Zealot - Main unit pack that comes out
2 - scouting probe
6 - main nexus
9 - Second building being produced (example: robotics facility)
0 - 1st Gateway.

which goes on to become

1 - Dragoons/Main units --> units
2 - Observer -->units
3 - Shuttle
4 -
5 -
6 -
7 -
8 - 3rd Gateway (if second is on 9)
9 - Second gateway/Second production building whatever it is.
0 - 1st Gateway.


Late Game


1 - Dragoons/Main units --> units filling to 12
2 - Filling units to 12
3 - Usually Zealots but can be third set of units.
4 - Shuttle
5 -
6 - Nexus Main
7 -
8 - 3rd Gateway (if second is on 9)
9 - Second gateway/Second production building whatever it is.
0 - 1st Gateway.

Here on

1/2/3/4/5 - Units
6 - Main nexus
8/9/0 - Gateways.

Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
August 23 2009 06:54 GMT
#11
do the pro gamers use F2 F3 F4?
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
Kula
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States140 Posts
August 23 2009 07:03 GMT
#12
^Indeed.
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
August 23 2009 07:27 GMT
#13
On August 23 2009 15:54 Licmyobelisk wrote:
do the pro gamers use F2 F3 F4?


Yes, for their Nexuses/CC's/Hatcheries. F2, F3 and F4 should replace the hotkeys you used to get to your main, expo and min only once you get into lategame.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
August 23 2009 07:31 GMT
#14
On August 23 2009 15:54 Licmyobelisk wrote:
do the pro gamers use F2 F3 F4?

usually its F2 for main, F3 for natural and F4 for macro area / 3rd base
© Current year.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 23 2009 07:33 GMT
#15
Weird, I have a different set of hotkeys that was influenced heavily when I switched from Terran.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66170 Posts
August 23 2009 08:11 GMT
#16
Wow kinda different from mine

I use 0 for nexus
1-4 for army
5-7 for gateways
8 for robo
9 for stargate
POGGERS
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
August 23 2009 12:12 GMT
#17
When I started playing SC in a more "competitive" way (i.e., learning BOs, standard play) I started off mostly watching Nony's FPVODs and replays so I copied the 12Nexus hotkey setup and have stuck with it ever since. Tried switching to 9p0p after reading Tasteless' comments about the issue but found out that it was just too big of a switch for me. At the lower levels it seems like it doesn't matter all that much anyway so long as you have everything that you need hotkeyed, regardless of location.
AIV_Funnytoss and sGs.Funnytoss on iCCup
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
August 23 2009 14:30 GMT
#18
i dont get how people group their nexus as "1" .. my fingers dont go from "1" to "p" that quickly
cw)minsean(ru
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
August 23 2009 15:19 GMT
#19
Well, I actually use my mouse to click on the "build probe" button - to me, it beats moving from the left side of the keyboard to the right, which you'd have to do even if you were using a 9,0 nexus setup since most of the time your hand is to the left anyway.
AIV_Funnytoss and sGs.Funnytoss on iCCup
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
August 23 2009 18:06 GMT
#20
Ya nony and those that use 1 for nexus just use the mouse to press the potrait button. He doesn't seem to have done too bad with that at all.
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