On August 20 2009 22:25 alffla wrote: late game, zvz is like defilers hydralisk lurkers 1000 overlords vs 201000 mutaslisk tehn queens then plague ensnare darkswarm HOLY SHI WTF?????????
G_G
...if they even get to that late game
hoping for julyzerg vs yellow and yellow vs ggplay style zvzs :\
I really enjoy ZvZ, but I don't give who wins between Kwanro and Calm. I'd prefer Kwanro, but not enough to care enuogh to watch them live. Maybe I'll watch the VODs, or maybe a summary. I'm just hoping (and even expecting) that I *won't* miss anything good. JD vs Yarnc will be better.
ZvZ is a fun matchup to watch, and is very complex, but I can understand the complaints. While it's fun to watch in single games, it also doesn't make for a good final, because of the potential for the entire set to be over in 15 minutes. With such short games, there isn't as much of a chance for the tension of an epic Bo5 to set in.
zvz is fun, its great to play and watching it is exciting because of the split decisions and micro management.. however as a final.. it can be very short, so you dont get involved or feel an "epic" game.. but a lot of the time, without realising a single muta kill can change the outcome.. its wicked :D
Going 2-0 then losing 2-3 is the worst. You almost make it, and then you pretty much throw it all away. It's worse than getting stomped 3-0 since you aren't under any illusions that you are going to win, but if you're at 2-0, you just need one more win to advance and you fail 3 times =/
Back to back 4 and 5 pools just to get it over with ZvZ has a capability to be an interesting match up, but usually isn't. I'm with you, I won't watch this MSL either.
ZvZ is awesome. it's not as easy to watch as TvT and PvP because the game deciding plays are so much smaller, but I still prefer watching ZvZ more than the other mirror matchups.
That being said, Kwanro sucks and if he wins this MSL, it'll make me Q.Q
On August 21 2009 00:43 ghostWriter wrote: Going 2-0 then losing 2-3 is the worst. You almost make it, and then you pretty much throw it all away. It's worse than getting stomped 3-0 since you aren't under any illusions that you are going to win, but if you're at 2-0, you just need one more win to advance and you fail 3 times =/
especially when he lost game 3 by deciding to throw away all his science vessels for no apparent reason.
On August 21 2009 01:18 AzureEye wrote: ZvZ is awesome to watch, its fast-paced, micro-intensive, and 1 ovie scouting the wrong direction can determine the game.
You complain about how ZvZ always has the same units but we always see Tanks, Vults, Goliaths, Marines, Dropships, and sometimes BCs in TvT
Mirror matchups always use similar units verse each other, cry about it
Please don't watch the MSL finals so my stream won't be as laggy ^_^
#1. Quite possibly the reason why ZvZ is so boring to watch, it's a rock-paper-scissors match up for the average pro-gamer. And usually you don't even know who won the zergling battle/muta battle until the very end seconds when all you see is a pool of blood.
#2. TvT has Marines/Ghosts/B.C/Goliaths/Dropships/Wraiths/SCVs/Science Vessels/Vultures and the varying degree in amounts between all of them are different in games. Not only the units, the strategies/Build order advantages are totally different and you know almost all of the time who's winning a battle.
#3. He's complaining that the MSL AND OSL finals are his least-favourite mirror match-up and are going to be less than an hour long. The MSL even has no notable pro gamers that are playing in it. ZvZ is, for most of us, the most boring match-up to watch so yes, I think there's a reason to complain about it. He's not asking it to be changed, he's lamenting the fact that things turned out the way it did.
#4. In mirror match-ups he's not complaining they're using similar units against each other, it's more-so the fact that 97% of the ZvZ games use 5 or less units.
On August 20 2009 21:31 Roffles wrote: Anyways, now effectively we have arguably the worst Starleague finals in store for us. A mirror matchup ZvZ between a decent player in Calm, and a quite mediocre player in Kwanro who got rather lucky on his way to the Finals.
Kwanro's path to the finals included beating Flash and Iris. His group stage consisted of just as mediocre players as him, with the exception of Stork. Zero also took out Savior last season.
Calm's path to the finals included fOr-ever-slumping-fOrGG, an EffOrt that prioritized his practice for the Proleague, and a Jaedong that prioritized both his OSL and Proleague instead of his MSL. Calm also defeated Zero to advance out of the group stage.
I'm not going to claim that Calm isn't a decent player, or that Kwanro isn't a mediocre one, but then you say Kwanro got lucky? What the heck are you smoking? If anything Calm was the lucky one for having to face two players in a row (in quarter's and semi's no doubt) that didn't care enough about the MSL to prioritize practicing for it.
EPT
ZvZ has a capability to be an interesting match up, but usually isn't. I'm with you, I won't watch this MSL either. 
