EPTTLnet Poll - How interested are you in playing or watching…
How interested are you in playing or watching the SC: Evo Complete (BW vs SC2) mod? :
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TL.net132 Posts
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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
It already looks to me like certain match ups like ZvZ don't seem playable at all in a competitive way, so there's only so much we can realistically expect from the mod in terms of being an actual competitive game. It's fun to watch for now though. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2277 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1770 Posts
On May 18 2024 09:01 Vindicare605 wrote: I feel like we're in a honeymoon period with SC: Evo where because the game is so not figured out, that it leads to a lot of chaotic and entertaining games because pro players don't have complete information about what decisions to make. It's hard to know if the game will remain as entertaining as it currently is whenever a metagame forms and some stability starts to happen. It already looks to me like certain match ups like ZvZ don't seem playable at all in a competitive way, so there's only so much we can realistically expect from the mod in terms of being an actual competitive game. It's fun to watch for now though. I don't think it really has much of a future outside the pro level without a ladder or some sort of ranking system. People will see it as a fad. I'll still tune into any showmatches/tournaments afreeca hosts though. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25648 Posts
On May 18 2024 09:01 Vindicare605 wrote: I feel like we're in a honeymoon period with SC: Evo where because the game is so not figured out, that it leads to a lot of chaotic and entertaining games because pro players don't have complete information about what decisions to make. It's hard to know if the game will remain as entertaining as it currently is whenever a metagame forms and some stability starts to happen. It already looks to me like certain match ups like ZvZ don't seem playable at all in a competitive way, so there's only so much we can realistically expect from the mod in terms of being an actual competitive game. It's fun to watch for now though. Yeah I’m in this boat, it’s a blast as a bit of a novelty for sure but the more it’s fleshed out the higher the likelihood some things will be pretty broken. Reavers with shuttles and the SC2 engine are rather terrifying, likewise irradiate with SC2’s tighter clumping. Have the folks who made this left armour/attack types as they were in the respective games or did they make any wee tweaks there? There’s a lot I don’t know and some fights were kinda hard to gauge, but as I said I did enioy those show matches | ||
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tigera6
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Vision_
861 Posts
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KingzTig
155 Posts
and yet again proving the "time to kill" isn't an issue if it provides entertaining games. Some stuff obviously will need to be rebalanced, but at the same time with total 6 "races", not needing for pinpoint dry balance is a welcome change | ||
ruhtraeel
Canada121 Posts
Ex. SC1 Battlecruiser being worse in every way than the SC2 Battlecruiser | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On May 18 2024 11:30 WombaT wrote: Yeah I’m in this boat, it’s a blast as a bit of a novelty for sure but the more it’s fleshed out the higher the likelihood some things will be pretty broken. Reavers with shuttles and the SC2 engine are rather terrifying, likewise irradiate with SC2’s tighter clumping. Have the folks who made this left armour/attack types as they were in the respective games or did they make any wee tweaks there? There’s a lot I don’t know and some fights were kinda hard to gauge, but as I said I did enioy those show matches While that's true I feel like every race has stuff that's insanely hard to deal with and it somewhat balances out, for example while Reavers destroy sc2 bio in a straight up fight, drop play is WAY more effective against bw Protoss with no warpin/recall | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25648 Posts
Even with BW lings being slightly stronger I just don’t know how you survive the ling/bling phase. Plus melee units are way more slippery in SC2 so you can’t do body blocking nearly as effectively, whereas the Queen + sim city option is a very potent tool in doing this. But on the flipside I don’t see how you fix that without rebalancing for that specific matchup, which kind of defeats the purpose and spirit of the mod. May as well not sweat it too much and have a bit of craic | ||
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Vision_
861 Posts
In fact it can be redesigned with slowing unit fights and adding 4th race With 4 races, you will get 10 matchs up, which can be amazing | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25648 Posts
On May 18 2024 19:54 Charoisaur wrote: While that's true I feel like every race has stuff that's insanely hard to deal with and it somewhat balances out, for example while Reavers destroy sc2 bio in a straight up fight, drop play is WAY more effective against bw Protoss with no warpin/recall I also imagine Manlots/Dragoons aren’t particularly good against bio just with how SC2’s engine works. I can see this Reaver being insane in BW PvT, both PvPs and versus SC2 Zoig. But I dunno how the timings work out, with the latter it feels it could be a Disruptor drop on absolute steroids Also I think they’ve generally done a good job on models, some I don’t recognise from SC2 campaigns so I’m assuming some are made specially. But dagnabbit between the campaign Reaver, mods like Starbow and this is it just me or have they never nailed that crunchy punch that the sluggy boiz dish out in BW? Archons feel like absolute pussies too compared to their forebears I am absolutely splitting hairs here mind :p | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10347 Posts
Also, if Afreeca hosts more events, it can help promote both ASL and GSL. (SC2/GSL would be the biggest winner here). I'm glad that something like this has brought new life to SC and SC2 especially. I'd like to play it soon and try to experience the fun of discovering a new game with no established meta etc. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5446 Posts
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic625 Posts
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Comedy
456 Posts
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ruhtraeel
Canada121 Posts
Similar to SSBM, where people usually have a secondary character because with that many, there are bound to be worse matchups for each one | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20301 Posts
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