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TLnet Poll - What do you think of the WCS 2014 changes?

What do you think of the WCS 2014 changes? :

Moderately approve (2332)37%
Highly approve (1775)28%
Neutral/Don't Care (1593)25%
Highly disapprove (381)6%
Moderately disapprove (278)4%

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tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
November 21 2013 01:05 GMT
#1
Positive blizzard feedback on a populist poll?
I am both excited and worried people don't understand the options.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 21 2013 01:32 GMT
#2
Almost perfect changes. The one drawback is the bo5 determining whether people make it into premier or not. That feels too luck based in matchup pairings. Would have preferred 8 dual tournament style groups.
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Verator
Profile Joined June 2010
United States283 Posts
November 21 2013 02:37 GMT
#3
I feel like it's probably too little too late, even though the changes are positive.

I think also WCS AM is too dominated by koreans and this will fix nothing, and it will only get worse for the NA scene.
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superpanda27
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
111 Posts
November 21 2013 03:29 GMT
#4
On November 21 2013 11:37 Verator wrote:
I feel like it's probably too little too late, even though the changes are positive.

I think also WCS AM is too dominated by koreans and this will fix nothing, and it will only get worse for the NA scene.

Can you please elaborate on how it will get worse for the NA scene with the change?
Mahdi
Profile Joined March 2012
Russian Federation7 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 04:41:01
November 21 2013 03:41 GMT
#5
Region lock is the most bad thing, IMO. I'mnot saying that it was not hard to compete with koreans, it's just feels like cowardness, don't you think. It will be kinda pitiful to watch players from other region in season finals, and with this mind set it will be hard to advance through koreans.
TJ31
Profile Joined October 2012
630 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 04:19:23
November 21 2013 04:18 GMT
#6
While it's a partial region lock, it's still sucks. WCS AM/EU (mostly AM) challenger league this year was depressing to watch most of the time, because skill level is too low.
Now some of those players will be able to play in premier league thanks to reserved spots. If they'll play vs eachother = not interesting to watch, if they'll be unlucky to play vs good koreans = they'll get stomped.
So yeah, I'll probably watch much less of WCS AM/EU next year, because I watch SC2 for high quality games, not to cheer for some local "talents".

But I guess it's the matter of preferences.
There're people who cheer for their hometown football (soccer for US people) team, no matter how much they suck. Those people probably wanted the full region lock for WCS.
And then there's people who don't give a f*ck about their lame hometown team, but they love quality football, so they watch Champions League, English Premier League etc. Those people won't agree with region lock in any form.
astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
November 21 2013 04:56 GMT
#7
On November 21 2013 13:18 TJ31 wrote:
While it's a partial region lock, it's still sucks. WCS AM/EU (mostly AM) challenger league this year was depressing to watch most of the time, because skill level is too low.
Now some of those players will be able to play in premier league thanks to reserved spots. If they'll play vs eachother = not interesting to watch, if they'll be unlucky to play vs good koreans = they'll get stomped.
So yeah, I'll probably watch much less of WCS AM/EU next year, because I watch SC2 for high quality games, not to cheer for some local "talents".

But I guess it's the matter of preferences.
There're people who cheer for their hometown football (soccer for US people) team, no matter how much they suck. Those people probably wanted the full region lock for WCS.
And then there's people who don't give a f*ck about their lame hometown team, but they love quality football, so they watch Champions League, English Premier League etc. Those people won't agree with region lock in any form.


I honestly have to agree. I fully supported Koreans in other regions because of the quality of the games produced. I can understand that people want to see hometown players (Huk, Suppy, etc), but if we get a game between 2 newcomers, I'm not sure if I want to see a 50 minute game with poor decision and basic micro errors that should not be happening on a stage this big.
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TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 05:48:53
November 21 2013 05:48 GMT
#8
On November 21 2013 13:18 TJ31 wrote:
While it's a partial region lock, it's still sucks. WCS AM/EU (mostly AM) challenger league this year was depressing to watch most of the time, because skill level is too low.
Now some of those players will be able to play in premier league thanks to reserved spots. If they'll play vs eachother = not interesting to watch, if they'll be unlucky to play vs good koreans = they'll get stomped.
So yeah, I'll probably watch much less of WCS AM/EU next year, because I watch SC2 for high quality games, not to cheer for some local "talents".

But I guess it's the matter of preferences.
There're people who cheer for their hometown football (soccer for US people) team, no matter how much they suck. Those people probably wanted the full region lock for WCS.
And then there's people who don't give a f*ck about their lame hometown team, but they love quality football, so they watch Champions League, English Premier League etc. Those people won't agree with region lock in any form.

It feels like it is mostly the players' families and gfs that really "support" the local teams.
While the players and coaches watch high level play to emulate them.
I think it is clear that highest level of play is the most important in sports, those that don't care for it are just posers/hipsters.
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
ThunderGod
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
New Zealand897 Posts
November 21 2013 07:58 GMT
#9
On November 21 2013 12:41 Mahdi wrote:
Region lock is the most bad thing, IMO. I'mnot saying that it was not hard to compete with koreans, it's just feels like cowardness, don't you think. It will be kinda pitiful to watch players from other region in season finals, and with this mind set it will be hard to advance through koreans.

There are no season finals in 2014.
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Mahdi
Profile Joined March 2012
Russian Federation7 Posts
November 21 2013 08:20 GMT
#10
On November 21 2013 16:58 ThunderGod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 12:41 Mahdi wrote:
Region lock is the most bad thing, IMO. I'mnot saying that it was not hard to compete with koreans, it's just feels like cowardness, don't you think. It will be kinda pitiful to watch players from other region in season finals, and with this mind set it will be hard to advance through koreans.

There are no season finals in 2014.

Yes you are right. Only Global Finals.
Maegi
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland174 Posts
November 21 2013 12:14 GMT
#11
On November 21 2013 10:32 Plexa wrote:
Almost perfect changes. The one drawback is the bo5 determining whether people make it into premier or not. That feels too luck based in matchup pairings. Would have preferred 8 dual tournament style groups.


I totally agree. Otherwise nearly perfect. Would really love to see OSL tho :O
NaNiwa <3
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
November 21 2013 14:49 GMT
#12
On November 21 2013 13:18 TJ31 wrote:
While it's a partial region lock, it's still sucks. WCS AM/EU (mostly AM) challenger league this year was depressing to watch most of the time, because skill level is too low.
Now some of those players will be able to play in premier league thanks to reserved spots. If they'll play vs eachother = not interesting to watch, if they'll be unlucky to play vs good koreans = they'll get stomped.
So yeah, I'll probably watch much less of WCS AM/EU next year, because I watch SC2 for high quality games, not to cheer for some local "talents".


While the Challenger league for AM and EU might be this way, there are more than enough talented and exciting sc2 players to fill out Premier league, and this will separate the moderately good foreigners from the very good. (albeit, there will still be some Korean stomps)
Gaius Baltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
November 21 2013 17:15 GMT
#13
One of the biggest unanswered questions is what NASL and ESL will do with the slower-paced schedule.

In particular, I don't want to see finals on the same day as the semi finals this year.
Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
November 21 2013 18:28 GMT
#14
I was probably one of the few who was really hesitant about region lock. I was thinking it would make for super lopsided regions in terms of talent. Polt, Taeja, Hero, Jaedong, aLive, etc. have really made WCS AM worth watching even though it does suck for struggling foreigners. But if you can't beat Korean's in your own region, what gives you the right to go to Blizzcon anyways?

I think the new method is a good compromise.
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Iceman331
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1306 Posts
November 21 2013 21:07 GMT
#15
Only thing that gives me pause is that they restricted the map pools of all tournaments to only ladder maps. Terrible, terrible damage idea.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
November 21 2013 21:29 GMT
#16
Higher GSL prize pool => better GSL => all is well?
maru G5L pls
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
November 21 2013 22:49 GMT
#17
The only thing I really dont like is the lower payments made to the bottom finishers on GSL than the other regions. Sure the top finisher gets more money, but what kind of incentive is that to play in that region as opposed to Europe or AM when only the top few receive a healthy payday? They should just put more total money into the Korean scene in general and have it where the top finisher still makes more than other regions, and the bottom finishers of the GSL at least make the same as their counterparts in other regions, if not more.

Thats the only thing that kept me from marking off highly excited instead of moderately
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Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
November 21 2013 23:52 GMT
#18
The balance lock question is a tough one. Yes I think basically anyone wants to see the players from each region fight it out, that'd be if all those regions had enough good players to entertain me. But the unfortunate part is that the koreans just show much and much better play, and that there are only a few foreigners that can actually compete with the korean players. Filling an AM league with only American players would make me stop watching it, because the skill level would drop exceptionally low tbh.

I feel like a partial region lock might be the best thing, to force the players from the region to have a serious chance to compete aswell. Also, the increased Korea pricemoney will draw more koreans to korea which is good I guess. It'd probably be even better if they'd pretty much double the pricemoney in the korea region compared to the other regions, since the competition is a lot higher.

Overall though, this should be a step in the right direction.
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
November 22 2013 00:48 GMT
#19
For all the people complaining about skill level, the changes made to WCS is how you improve it. Creating a more stable ecosystem and better opportunities is what will help the Western pro teams stabilize enough to actually improve toward Korean levels, while at the same time keeping the competition fierce by allowing some of those Koreans in.

Also the scheduling changes help out a lot with letting indie tournaments back into the scene, offering even more player opportunities. There's nothing but good here, folks, if you care about NA/EU upping their skills.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
November 22 2013 01:51 GMT
#20
Who the hell highly disapproves of this? They're really good changes!
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