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On June 18 2012 12:04 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:20 Excludos wrote:On June 17 2012 07:12 Cokefreak wrote:On June 17 2012 07:01 Excludos wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345358Reaches 14 pages in less than a day "No worthy discussion here, close it!". I know you want a tidy forum and all that, but comon. If the thread is that popular, it certainly deserves to be its own thread. "put it in one of the existing hots threads" also isn't logical, as discussions in the hots threads jump all over the place as several people talk about several random things all at once. Discussing the new units belongs in the hots thread. Discussion potential changes in the already existing game for hots might deserve its own topic, especially when its this heated. edit: Also want to mention its not my thread. I just think we had a nice discussion going, even if its not anything anyone on TL or TL itself can do anything about. But then again, around 80% of the threads aren't in the first place. There are countless topics that could lead to a thread reaching 14 pages in less than a day, I personally don't see any point in discussing something like this here when it could actually happen at any moment for as far as anybody is concerned... Really I can imagine a beta build "removed the roach from the tech tree as a test". So as long as it's just a guessing game why even bother keeping the thread open no matter how 'heated' it is. Because honestly I want to discuss the topic and hear what others think. Which is the whole point of a discussion forum. And by the looks of it, so did a lot of other people. We even know that people from blizz surfs this forum once in a while. If the thread got a large number of replies and someone stumbled upon it, maybe it could even change the game. And don't say "post on blizz forum". There is no worthy discussion to be had anywhere or with anyone on there. Anyways, the latter is secondary to the former. Underlined two separate parts for emphasis. Mostly because they seem to contradict each other. If you can judge other people's contributions to the discussion as worthless, why can't the staff at TL do the same with the discussion as a whole? I don't much care if the policy changes, but that's an utterly unconvincing argument.
Its easy. Team liquid have a small amount of trolls and dickheads. They usually don't last long. The Blizzard forums have a small amount of people with brains. They usually don't last long in there either.. 
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Why was the tasteless replays and vods thread closed? Usally theirs a mod post in the last 3-4 posts stating why but this ime their isn't
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On June 26 2012 22:36 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Why was the tasteless replays and vods thread closed? Usally theirs a mod post in the last 3-4 posts stating why but this ime their isn't
Probably falls under the whole TL isn't Google thing.
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Calgary25990 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:01 Excludos wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345358Reaches 14 pages in less than a day "No worthy discussion here, close it!". I know you want a tidy forum and all that, but comon. If the thread is that popular, it certainly deserves to be its own thread. "put it in one of the existing hots threads" also isn't logical, as discussions in the hots threads jump all over the place as several people talk about several random things all at once. Discussing the new units belongs in the hots thread. Discussion potential changes in the already existing game for hots might deserve its own topic, especially when its this heated. edit: Also want to mention its not my thread. I just think we had a nice discussion going, even if its not anything anyone on TL or TL itself can do anything about. But then again, around 80% of the threads aren't in the first place.
Discussing how you would make SC2 on TL is like going to a physics forum and discussing how you would design your own version of our universe. There's just no value in it. The discussion is subjective and endless and fruitless. Take it to a Blog or your own private site.
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Calgary25990 Posts
On June 26 2012 22:36 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Why was the tasteless replays and vods thread closed? Usally theirs a mod post in the last 3-4 posts stating why but this ime their isn't
Can you post a link? I assume you mean this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347909
It's a pretty open-ended request that can be easily searched yourself. It doesn't require a thread.
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On May 02 2012 23:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 06:42 Zealos wrote:On April 30 2012 01:52 KwarK wrote:On April 28 2012 07:21 Zealos wrote:
This might not be the appropriate topic to say this: But I find kwarks words pretty offensive, and I agree with him. I find that if someone had posted a response similar to what he is saying here, then he would have been at least warned. I respect that you disagree with people who think that sorta stuff, but I think you should respect their views equally, even if you do think it's a load of bs. Not all views are equal and not all views deserve equal respect. Fortunately we have a way to tell the good ones from the bad, we call it logic. Your logic isn't the same as mine. For instance, I believe the same thing about people who believe in any kind of religion. In fact, what makes this blood stuff less likely than a magic man in the sky? And we autoclose religion topics on teamliquid. You appear to be arguing in favour of my action, the closing of the topic, by explaining how it is comparable to other situations where we do the same thing.
Closing ≠ insulting someone's belief, even if it is ridiculous.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
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I would actually like a official TL moderator answer. Can I just use the balance discussion thread?
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United States8476 Posts
From what I can see:
- Badly thought-out and organized post that's all over the place
- Another balance QQ thread, there are plenty of those already
- Suggesting stuff to Blizzard: do that on Battle net forums, not on TL
- Won't generate good discussion/responses, as can be seen from the responses already in the thread.
- Just not a good thread in general
Take your pick for a reason.
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On April 20 2012 22:31 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 20:49 awu25 wrote:On April 20 2012 20:08 KwarK wrote:On April 15 2012 00:43 Shana wrote:
Perhaps Kwark doesn't know that blood type correlation to personality in Korea/Japan is like astrology in western world. The astrology guys are retarded too. What about those religious guys? I'm merely saying that people get banned for calling others retarded. I don't think it's fair that a mod is able to call a group of people retarded for simply believing in something that has no scientific backing. In future I'll attempt to phrase it as "they believe something that only someone who struggles to understand cause and effect would believe in".
You have, um, a very high opinion about your own opinions. I don't think these are valid reasons to close a thread on their own though. But hey, it's your site.
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On July 06 2012 22:08 NrGmonk wrote:From what I can see: - Badly thought-out and organized post that's all over the place
- Another balance QQ thread, there are plenty of those already
- Suggesting stuff to Blizzard: do that on Battle net forums, not on TL
- Won't generate good discussion/responses, as can be seen from the responses already in the thread.
- Just not a good thread in general
Take your pick for a reason.
"Badly thought-out and organized post that's all over the place"
Well since it is true and the thread ain't so breathtakingly horrible, that it just can't stay.
"Another balance QQ thread, there are plenty of those already"
And those threads aren't locked?
"Suggesting stuff to Blizzard: do that on Battle net forums, not on TL"
First off, I'm on eu, and blizzard pays no attention to those threads... The only times we ever see blue, is when they are selling stuff or commercializing... And those threads are like almost completely deserted....
I can already tell that you are from US, due to you have clearly never seen the EU threads...
"Won't generate good discussion/responses, as can be seen from the responses already in the thread."
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4888089054?page=1#0
I tried making this thread on blizzard forums, and I'd say that like 70% liked it and the rest disagreed.
"Just not a good thread in general"
As I said it ain't horribly, horribly bad... And its something that really wrong with the game design, *it should be a strategy game, not a recipe game*
So if I had to pick it would be the "just not a good thread in general." Because thats the only thing that is remotely true, due to that I spent like 35 minutes on it... I still don't think its so bad it should be removed..
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On July 06 2012 22:08 NrGmonk wrote:From what I can see: - Badly thought-out and organized post that's all over the place
- Another balance QQ thread, there are plenty of those already
- Suggesting stuff to Blizzard: do that on Battle net forums, not on TL
- Won't generate good discussion/responses, as can be seen from the responses already in the thread.
- Just not a good thread in general
Take your pick for a reason.
I'd say all of these reasons work pretty well with your thread Mr. Bimbles.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On July 08 2012 06:39 Mr.Bimbles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 22:08 NrGmonk wrote:From what I can see: - Badly thought-out and organized post that's all over the place
- Another balance QQ thread, there are plenty of those already
- Suggesting stuff to Blizzard: do that on Battle net forums, not on TL
- Won't generate good discussion/responses, as can be seen from the responses already in the thread.
- Just not a good thread in general
Take your pick for a reason. "Badly thought-out and organized post that's all over the place"
Well since it is true and the thread ain't so breathtakingly horrible, that it just can't stay. "Another balance QQ thread, there are plenty of those already"And those threads aren't locked? "Suggesting stuff to Blizzard: do that on Battle net forums, not on TL"First off, I'm on eu, and blizzard pays no attention to those threads... The only times we ever see blue, is when they are selling stuff or commercializing... And those threads are like almost completely deserted.... I can already tell that you are from US, due to you have clearly never seen the EU threads... "Won't generate good discussion/responses, as can be seen from the responses already in the thread."
I tried making this thread on blizzard forums, and I'd say that like 70% liked it and the rest disagreed. "Just not a good thread in general"As I said it ain't horribly, horribly bad... And its something that really wrong with the game design, *it should be a strategy game, not a recipe game* So if I had to pick it would be the "just not a good thread in general." Because thats the only thing that is remotely true, due to that I spent like 35 minutes on it... I still don't think its so bad it should be removed..
There is a designated balance thread, so the question is really "what makes your thread special enough to warrant its own thread?" You only go into points briefly and barebly put any supporting evidence. That doesn't generate discussion. It's just going to get "yeah, I agree" or "no, you're stupid" type of responses. Instead, if you started in one of the existing threads and your ideas generate enough good discussion, then maybe you can put it together into a thread.
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Not my business, but that thread is completely and utterly pointless. It offers some random stuff that seems to have popped into your head, without any solid evidence or analysis to back it up. Even if we discount the inherent flaw of it being dumb to post balance and design threads on a forum that has nothing to do with blizzard, it's still not a good thread.
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I'm sorry, but why was the penis thread closed? I thought it was brilliant, had great op, and some disgusting but compelling chat going on. Pretty much a TL legend thread in the making, shut down without even a stated reason.
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My thread on account leveling was locked, and I PMed the mid who locked in an effort to convince him to open it. However to ensure this is seen by the eyes of multiple mods, I'd like to post here too.
I'm not sure why he would read my thread as an attack on IMMvp given that my OP goes to fairly great lengths to address the broader issue of account leveling? I've constructed an argument entirely based on the harmful effects of account leveling in general. I address that issue from multiple angles and the majority of the OP is devoted to that topic, which is much broader than just IMMvp and which has never been discussed on TL before. The issue of account leveling in general received over 400 replies of debate in the thread in a single day - very very few of those replies address IMMvp specifically. With regard to the attention I pay to IMMvp, I explain multiple times how the example is meant to fill a role within my broader argument, even with a disclaimer at the start of the OP!
As for whether the practice is widespread, I can just say that the most prominent hacking site has numerous advertisements and threads for the service. I didn't link to those direct sources because it is in fact a hacking site. There also are sites devoted to the service on the model of gosucoaching. MillDragon advertises the service under his stream and appears to have a steady stream of customers whose accounts he levels while featured on TL. I could also point to various NA GM accounts such as optikvalor and rafao that jumped leagues dramatically between seasons, but I suppose those could be simple account sharing. Also keep in mind I went to pretty painstaking effort to identify the leveler of IMMvp, in order to prove that this type of thing can be exposed through hotkey graphs. No one has done this on TL before.
If Dragon can make a fair amount of money on this while featured on TL, who's to say that even if the practice wasn't already widespread, it could easily become so in the future? On that basis alone wouldn't a thread be warranted, given that there are numerous ads for the service on the Internet AND this has never been discussed on TL before?
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Zurich15358 Posts
If you had just mentioned the Dragon stream your case would have been much stronger than the IMMVP thing, who you accused of hacking before without sufficient evidence. Anyway just answer to my PM.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354105¤tpage=2
To Chill:
right because everyone is a fucking athelete. there is difference between sports and regular jobs. no one gives a shit about how much you make moderating at teamliquid because no one is interested in you or your job. its different for an athelete however.
also there is a clear link between Esports and sports. so I am asking something that makes no sense? watch basketball, baseball, or any other sports with major franchises.
I am really puzzled on why you closed my blog.
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