EPTThe why was my thread closed topic - Page 44
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
On April 28 2012 07:21 Zealos wrote: This might not be the appropriate topic to say this: But I find kwarks words pretty offensive, and I agree with him. I find that if someone had posted a response similar to what he is saying here, then he would have been at least warned. I respect that you disagree with people who think that sorta stuff, but I think you should respect their views equally, even if you do think it's a load of bs. Not all views are equal and not all views deserve equal respect. Fortunately we have a way to tell the good ones from the bad, we call it logic. | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
Was closed by EffOrt because we had a thread similar to it almost a year ago, with a completely different replay pack. Posting a replay pack once a year with players like we did doesn't really seem like an offense by TL standards. I wasn't even able to edit the OP of our previous thread prior to the thread closure, and now that it was closed effort informed us we must use our previous thread, which is buried in time. So I up the new OP in our old thread, found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=265024 It obviously gets neglected due to the state of the thread, where before we were providing a more than decent service, now no one is even seeing it. On top of that, someone informed me that after posting in our older thread after the modifications were made to it (the new replay pack was added and I updated the OP yesterday) they were banned by TL. This makes absolutely ZERO sense. Not only was our thread moved, but when our old thread was revived by myself, people get banned for posting in it. I wasn't going to do anything about this, since no administrative action will fix the problem, I spent hours compiling and formatting the replay pack of top progamers for TL and it just gets closed. You'd think a little more respect would be shown, as I haven't really done anything wrong on TL, and our team has been around for like 7 years. The whole decision didn't seem logical at all, so I guess show me the logic? Thanks  | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
You already have a thread, use it please. You also can now edit OP http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=265024 This was said in the original post, they gave you the reason and made it so you could edit your original post, which you did. I am not sure why you think your old thread will not be seen if you bump it and put the information that this is the replay thread for NRG, add in your old replay packs that you orginally did and updated the OP to say Update April 29, 2012(which you did). People will keep on posting in it regardless of age if the content is current. I think the thing that is turning off most people from posting in it, is because you are linking to the other post and how it was closed. xDocHolidayx was just banned by Harem. That account was created on 2012-04-30 00:48:10 and had 2 posts. Reason: Previously banned user. Was the reason that guy got banned(he didn't even get banned in your thread). Nothing to do with your thread, just the fact he was a PBU which you should know are usually people not wanted on TL. I am not sure why you think that TL is not respecting you, if you did some research into why the user got banned you would have figured it out on your own. The moderator that closed the thread gave you clear instructions on what to do after they fixed the thread so you could edit again. I guess you feel entitled to special treatment which a lot of people are not, perhaps the current thread could have been closed due to the advertisement policy? They left it open which should show some kind of respect. Either way, just have some of your team post in it again, and then people will still see it. Don't take it too hard. | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
On April 30 2012 03:23 Kralic wrote: This was said in the original post, they gave you the reason and made it so you could edit your original post, which you did. I am not sure why you think your old thread will not be seen if you bump it and put the information that this is the replay thread for NRG, add in your old replay packs that you orginally did and updated the OP to say Update April 29, 2012(which you did). People will keep on posting in it regardless of age if the content is current. I think the thing that is turning off most people from posting in it, is because you are linking to the other post and how it was closed. Was the reason that guy got banned(he didn't even get banned in your thread). Nothing to do with your thread, just the fact he was a PBU which you should know are usually people not wanted on TL. I am not sure why you think that TL is not respecting you, if you did some research into why the user got banned you would have figured it out on your own. The moderator that closed the thread gave you clear instructions on what to do after they fixed the thread so you could edit again. I guess you feel entitled to special treatment which a lot of people are not, perhaps the current thread could have been closed due to the advertisement policy? They left it open which should show some kind of respect. Either way, just have some of your team post in it again, and then people will still see it. Don't take it too hard. The user who posted actually approached me saying he was banned for posting in the thread, so i apologize if he wasn't telling the truth. How the hell is posting replays advertising? You obviously don't understand that when we posted the thread, people were tweeting and retweeting about it. Then the thread gets closed and we have to completely scrap everything we've done to let people know about it. I'm not looking for special treatment, I was wondering what the purpose of taking the thread away was. Having a thread with a totally different replay pack posted 8 months ago doesn't seem like a logical reason to close the current thread. It was getting attention, then when the thread closed it disappeared. Like I said, nothing will be done about it, and nothing can fix what happened. Just really annoying having put the time into it and having it closed for ridiculous reasons. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On April 30 2012 01:52 KwarK wrote: Not all views are equal and not all views deserve equal respect. Fortunately we have a way to tell the good ones from the bad, we call it logic. Your logic isn't the same as mine. For instance, I believe the same thing about people who believe in any kind of religion. In fact, what makes this blood stuff less likely than a magic man in the sky? | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:42 Zealos wrote: Your logic isn't the same as mine. For instance, I believe the same thing about people who believe in any kind of religion. In fact, what makes this blood stuff less likely than a magic man in the sky? And we autoclose religion topics on teamliquid. You appear to be arguing in favour of my action, the closing of the topic, by explaining how it is comparable to other situations where we do the same thing. | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On March 31 2012 15:58 Alejandrisha wrote: it's more necessary to write an op about something worthwhile to read and adapt. the concept is just....... no macro creep tumors? same thing as static defense when it is not necessary. you cannot say where a scan will happen. devoting energy to creep tumors and not spawning additional creep tumors from them is not some new ingenious tactic; it's a gamble, or a justification of laziness -.- I would like to point out to everyone, that Dongraegu has adopted the creep spreading technique I advocated. Just watch game 1 (edit: and some of the others) of Dongraegu vs MKP from the MLG Spring Arena finals. http://sc2casts.com/cast8456-Dongraegu-vs-MarineKing-Best-of-7-MLG-Spring-Arena-Finals It is vital to the sustenance of his creep spread. So yeah... great job everyone! | ||
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
 I totally understand why this was closed because there wasn't much effort put into the OP. I just wanted to say that Stork deserves better, and I hope an experienced member of the forum reads this and takes up the challenge of redoing his fanclub in a way that is worthy of him. :/ | ||
monk
United States8476 Posts
On May 23 2012 17:23 jsemmens wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337285 got closed I totally understand why this was closed because there wasn't much effort put into the OP. I just wanted to say that Stork deserves better, and I hope an experienced member of the forum reads this and takes up the challenge of redoing his fanclub in a way that is worthy of him. :/ I hear someone is already working on it. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:11 KwarK wrote: While people can and do believe whatever they like that is not a structure we can really debate on teamliquid. Astrology is not only irrational and illogical but has absolutely no evidence backing it up. There is absolutely no possibility for a debate in which denial of evidence is the foundation for one side of the argument, the entire subject has no value. If you were to make a topic discussing the impact of false beliefs upon society with links to articles discussing it, background information on some of those beliefs such as blood types and astrology, evidence of when it's been significant and the like then that'd be a really interesting topic and I'd totally get behind that. Furthermore if people came in and dismissed the entire sociological aspect of it and just went "derp, no evidence" then I'd temp them for it. But that's not the topic we're talking about here, the topic I closed was "does your blood type match up to these vague applying to everyone definitions". It had no value because there's no correlation between blood type and personality. The difference between the value of the two approaches to the subject is like the difference between "does God exist?" and "what is the impact and value of a secular government in a predominantly homogeneous religious society, discuss within, here are some relevant articles and thoughts on the matter". I just wanted to say this is a beautiful post from Kwark. While I agree with TheToast about the importance of the sociological impacts etc, and which are worthy in and of themselves, Kwark's reply is succinct and eloquent . | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
"[Discussion] Random pics that make you laugh" thread I read GMarshall's argument and I think there are several reasons why this thread is a better idea than just PMs. Feedback on the thread was also positive by the users. - often times questions can't be answered by the poster or he isn't logged in to answer. "Who is that guy in the gif?" - "I don't know I just thought he looked funny." - when political, religious or otherwise controversial pictures are posted publically it is only natural that you want to give public feedback about a publich picture. PMing the poster of such pictures him is often useless, especially if pictures voluntarily give false informations. - people already give their opinion in the thread. Usually with an unfunny old picture attached to it that no one cares about while it is very obvious that the only to make this post was to state the opinion and not post the pic. These posts are getting really annoying and with the discussion thread we would get rid of them which would lead to a better quality of the pics thread. Yeah you can ban/warn the people but that won't make them happy, nor those who view these old pics nor will it ever actually stop people from posting there when they feel they have to clarify something about religion or politics. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
come on, the discussion thread is a good idea, please reopen it. just look at all the old/unfunny 1 pic posts that are only made to ask a question or give an opinion in the pic thread. | ||
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ma5ta
United States46 Posts
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:32 ma5ta wrote: Why was my thread about removing XN Towers closed? Or rather, stated it doesn't belong on TL AT ALL? WHY NOT It didn't belong in strategy because it's a hypothetical scenario. And it didn't belong on TL for the same reason. There are dozens of threads popping up each month saying "what would happen if..." or "how would the game play out if...". Sure this can be discussed, but it holds no value, because those discussions aren't gonna change the game. If you want change, try to attract the attention of a Blizzard game designer - which you do by posting on the Bnet forums. Just imagine what would happen if everyone posted their ideas about game changes. The forums would be a mess. Nobody's saying your idea is bad. It's just not in our (community's) power to do anything about it. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8150 Posts
Reaches 14 pages in less than a day "No worthy discussion here, close it!". I know you want a tidy forum and all that, but comon. If the thread is that popular, it certainly deserves to be its own thread. "put it in one of the existing hots threads" also isn't logical, as discussions in the hots threads jump all over the place as several people talk about several random things all at once. Discussing the new units belongs in the hots thread. Discussion potential changes in the already existing game for hots might deserve its own topic, especially when its this heated. edit: Also want to mention its not my thread. I just think we had a nice discussion going, even if its not anything anyone on TL or TL itself can do anything about. But then again, around 80% of the threads aren't in the first place. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:01 Excludos wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345358 Reaches 14 pages in less than a day "No worthy discussion here, close it!". I know you want a tidy forum and all that, but comon. If the thread is that popular, it certainly deserves to be its own thread. "put it in one of the existing hots threads" also isn't logical, as discussions in the hots threads jump all over the place as several people talk about several random things all at once. Discussing the new units belongs in the hots thread. Discussion potential changes in the already existing game for hots might deserve its own topic, especially when its this heated. edit: Also want to mention its not my thread. I just think we had a nice discussion going, even if its not anything anyone on TL or TL itself can do anything about. But then again, around 80% of the threads aren't in the first place. There are countless topics that could lead to a thread reaching 14 pages in less than a day, I personally don't see any point in discussing something like this here when it could actually happen at any moment for as far as anybody is concerned... Really I can imagine a beta build "removed the roach from the tech tree as a test". So as long as it's just a guessing game why even bother keeping the thread open no matter how 'heated' it is. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8150 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:12 Cokefreak wrote: There are countless topics that could lead to a thread reaching 14 pages in less than a day, I personally don't see any point in discussing something like this here when it could actually happen at any moment for as far as anybody is concerned... Really I can imagine a beta build "removed the roach from the tech tree as a test". So as long as it's just a guessing game why even bother keeping the thread open no matter how 'heated' it is. Because honestly I want to discuss the topic and hear what others think. Which is the whole point of a discussion forum. And by the looks of it, so did a lot of other people. We even know that people from blizz surfs this forum once in a while. If the thread got a large number of replies and someone stumbled upon it, maybe it could even change the game. And don't say "post on blizz forum". There is no worthy discussion to be had anywhere or with anyone on there. Anyways, the latter is secondary to the former. | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:20 Excludos wrote: Because honestly I want to discuss the topic and hear what others think. Which is the whole point of a discussion forum. And by the looks of it, so did a lot of other people. We even know that people from blizz surfs this forum once in a while. If the thread got a large number of replies and someone stumbled upon it, maybe it could even change the game. And don't say "post on blizz forum". There is no worthy discussion to be had anywhere or with anyone on there. Anyways, the latter is secondary to the former. Underlined two separate parts for emphasis. Mostly because they seem to contradict each other. If you can judge other people's contributions to the discussion as worthless, why can't the staff at TL do the same with the discussion as a whole? I don't much care if the policy changes, but that's an utterly unconvincing argument. | ||
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