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On January 11 2011 21:16 Jibba wrote:
haileris, I've brought up demeanor and Destiny's raging several times now. It's just like Debo. Also, I think you're missing the scope of what's going on.
Fair enough, I just suspect that the moderators are underestimating the support that Destiny has as well.
I'm done with this thread, both sides have shown to have their heels dug in (but especially some moderators) and no one is open for the potential for their minds to be changed. :-)
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Calgary25988 Posts
Okay... It's actually being discussed in the staff forum. You should have clearer rules about fan clubs in a week.
When moderators close a thread, people need to stop looking at it as a slight against the topic. This happened with BigT and now it's happening again.
Secondly, people need to stop bringing up "the community" as some sort of justification for doing whatever you want. Unfortunately, democracy doesn't rule here, or else the site would be Team Dayquid 
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Just wanted to let the admins know of the new miniWheat fanclub.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=183469
I think i he hasnt won any major competitions, but im not sure though. But hurry up, this fanclub might become too big for the site to handle. Its already up to two pages.
User was warned for this post
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On January 12 2011 01:07 Chill wrote:
Okay... It's actually being discussed in the staff forum. You should have clearer rules about fan clubs in a week.
I think this is the best solution to the issue. I'm glad it's being discussed!
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On January 12 2011 02:53 Impervious wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:07 Chill wrote:
Okay... It's actually being discussed in the staff forum. You should have clearer rules about fan clubs in a week. I think this is the best solution to the issue. I'm glad it's being discussed!
My 2 cents. Maybe have a subsection for fanclubs?
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Alright that sounds good Chill. Where would the new policy be posted? My suggestion would be to ban fan clubs and just have people use the appropriate stream threads to avoid cluttering the TL Community section. That way you don't have to draw arbitrary distinctions on who can and can't have a fanclub.
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On January 12 2011 05:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright that sounds good Chill. Where would the new policy be posted? My suggestion would be to ban fan clubs and just have people use the appropriate stream threads to avoid cluttering the TL Community section. That way you don't have to draw arbitrary distinctions on who can and can't have a fanclub.
Stream threads already have their own section. Why do you need fan club thread so badly?
Can't he just make his own stream thread?
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On January 12 2011 01:07 Chill wrote:Okay... It's actually being discussed in the staff forum. You should have clearer rules about fan clubs in a week. When moderators close a thread, people need to stop looking at it as a slight against the topic. This happened with BigT and now it's happening again. Secondly, people need to stop bringing up "the community" as some sort of justification for doing whatever you want. Unfortunately, democracy doesn't rule here, or else the site would be Team Dayquid
Why do there have to be rules about a fanclub page? I thought they were just so fans could show their appreciation to a person they like to watch.
It is not really that big on an issue, if you think they aren't popular they might not be, and the forum will have 10 posts or so and then become inactive. If someone keeps trying to spam it then I can see why you would close it down.
If someone wants to give Destiny and his fans a fan page just let them, and if they spam the forum with nonsense just close it and don't give them another fan page.
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Calgary25988 Posts
On January 12 2011 06:15 GxZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:07 Chill wrote:Okay... It's actually being discussed in the staff forum. You should have clearer rules about fan clubs in a week. When moderators close a thread, people need to stop looking at it as a slight against the topic. This happened with BigT and now it's happening again. Secondly, people need to stop bringing up "the community" as some sort of justification for doing whatever you want. Unfortunately, democracy doesn't rule here, or else the site would be Team Dayquid Why do there have to be rules about a fanclub page? I thought they were just so fans could show their appreciation to a person they like to watch. It is not really that big on an issue, if you think they aren't popular they might not be, and the forum will have 10 posts or so and then become inactive. If someone keeps trying to spam it then I can see why you would close it down. If someone wants to give Destiny and his fans a fan page just let them, and if they spam the forum with nonsense just close it and don't give them another fan page.
TL doesn't operate on forum popularity for good reason. If we took your suggestion and let the forum self-regulate via popularity, what do you think would rise to the top, dramatic threads and arguing, or well-constructed arguments?
There needs to be rules about opening threads so that some sort of ratio between number of threads opened and content in said threads is maintained. You are basically suggesting a society with no laws - just let it self-regulate. That doesn't seem like a good idea.
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On January 12 2011 06:15 GxZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:07 Chill wrote:Okay... It's actually being discussed in the staff forum. You should have clearer rules about fan clubs in a week. When moderators close a thread, people need to stop looking at it as a slight against the topic. This happened with BigT and now it's happening again. Secondly, people need to stop bringing up "the community" as some sort of justification for doing whatever you want. Unfortunately, democracy doesn't rule here, or else the site would be Team Dayquid Why do there have to be rules about a fanclub page? I thought they were just so fans could show their appreciation to a person they like to watch. It is not really that big on an issue, if you think they aren't popular they might not be, and the forum will have 10 posts or so and then become inactive. If someone keeps trying to spam it then I can see why you would close it down. If someone wants to give Destiny and his fans a fan page just let them, and if they spam the forum with nonsense just close it and don't give them another fan page.
I think you're missing the bigger picture..... I, personally, don't want to see TL become a shit-infested forum, which is pretty much what it would become without "scrict" moderation.
[sarcasm]Hey, I mean, I'm sure there's a few people that like salted sunflower seeds. Let's make a fan-page for it![/sarcasm]
The "strict" rules need to be laid out, so there is not as much room for abuse. Yet, at the same time, there needs to be some freedom and flexibility.
Chill said that they're discussing it. Before getting your panties in a twist, wait and see what they come up with first.
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On January 12 2011 05:46 beetlelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 05:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright that sounds good Chill. Where would the new policy be posted? My suggestion would be to ban fan clubs and just have people use the appropriate stream threads to avoid cluttering the TL Community section. That way you don't have to draw arbitrary distinctions on who can and can't have a fanclub. Stream threads already have their own section. Why do you need fan club thread so badly? Can't he just make his own stream thread?
The point I was trying to make is I don't think fanclub threads are necessary and I don't think we should have them since a stream thread is basically the same thing. But if we are going to have them you can't make arbitrary distinctions between who can and can't have a fanclub thread. For example the initial reason for closing Destiny's fanclub thread was because he wasn't skilled enough. But on that note, why does Baller, Miniwheat, or SiNs have a fanclub? I assume that is why they are laying out new rules. I just didn't think it was fair that the destiny fanclub was treated differently then so many others.
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United States22883 Posts
On January 12 2011 07:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 05:46 beetlelisk wrote:On January 12 2011 05:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright that sounds good Chill. Where would the new policy be posted? My suggestion would be to ban fan clubs and just have people use the appropriate stream threads to avoid cluttering the TL Community section. That way you don't have to draw arbitrary distinctions on who can and can't have a fanclub. Stream threads already have their own section. Why do you need fan club thread so badly? Can't he just make his own stream thread? For example the initial reason for closing Destiny's fanclub thread was because he wasn't skilled enough.
That wasn't the reason at all. Part of the thought is that a collection of information can be kept about a person at the start of the fanclub whereas stream threads are created by the player and often not updated, part of it is not everyone plays or streams and part of it is just that we didn't know what to do with fan clubs, because it wasn't an issue when it was just for Tastosis, TLO, etc.
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On January 12 2011 07:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 05:46 beetlelisk wrote:On January 12 2011 05:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright that sounds good Chill. Where would the new policy be posted? My suggestion would be to ban fan clubs and just have people use the appropriate stream threads to avoid cluttering the TL Community section. That way you don't have to draw arbitrary distinctions on who can and can't have a fanclub. Stream threads already have their own section. Why do you need fan club thread so badly? Can't he just make his own stream thread? The point I was trying to make is I don't think fanclub threads are necessary and I don't think we should have them since a stream thread is basically the same thing. But if we are going to have them you can't make arbitrary distinctions between who can and can't have a fanclub thread. For example the initial reason for closing Destiny's fanclub thread was because he wasn't skilled enough. But on that note, why does Baller, Miniwheat, or SiNs have a fanclub? I assume that is why they are laying out new rules. I just didn't think it was fair that the destiny fanclub was treated differently then so many others.
It's not basically the same thing. Majority of fan clubs are about pros, Cella is one of few if not the only one who is a streamer. But he still is featured, can stream for entire days and I'm not sure if he qualified for one of the 3 GSL opens on top of that.
Baller made himself known through his posting. miniWheat is a kid of a famous caster who's in esports for years now. I'd say there is more to his fan club than worshipping a single person, he can be seen as a symbol. And first of all he's just a kid who will get overwhelmed with joy once his fathers tells him he has his own fan club. No idea who SiNs is but anyway, those people (were) made themselves known in ways other than just streaming.
If all (or vast majority of) what Destiny is known for is his stream then what's wrong with a stream thread instead of a fan club? Other than maybe not knowing there is such a section like User streams so TL community is just more simple to access?
It all comes down to having a thread about him somewhere.
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what would the policy be for people without a stream then? for example fruitdealer. i dont think he has a stream, but theres probably a good amount of people who would support his fanclub. because of this i dont think just using a stream page as a fanclub would really work
id support the subforum idea
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On January 11 2011 18:55 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 18:09 Dave[9] wrote:
The thing is, I don't see how you can be a moderator of the streams and not notice this kid getting a consistent <500 viewers everytime he's online. There seems to be a misunderstanding: I am not a moderator of the streams. I have had no influence on his stream being featured or not.
My bad, I was mistaken.
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On January 12 2011 09:33 freeto wrote:
what would the policy be for people without a stream then? for example fruitdealer. i dont think he has a stream, but theres probably a good amount of people who would support his fanclub. because of this i dont think just using a stream page as a fanclub would really work
id support the subforum idea
He has his fan club thread since September 28th??
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=156570
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Beetleisk, you missed the point he was making. Freeto was presenting a reason that stream threads can't always substitute fanclub threads.
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On January 13 2011 12:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Beetleisk, you missed the point he was making. Freeto was presenting a reason that stream threads can't always substitute fanclub threads.
I think he just doesn't know there already is a thread for FD and other threads for players like him.
So he got confused after reading last posts.
Stream threads can't always substitute fan club threads, yes.
Is Destiny though, doing anything big enough other than streaming?
Really no offense to him, I don't mean to diminish him. I just don't get it personally.
Maybe it's because there is so much talk over it for so long and since the only official responses were "No" and "No, because" you guys misunderstood those responses for something they aren't?
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United States43222 Posts
I didn't close it but "pick my race for me" topics don't add anything to the forum and we've seen hundreds of them over the years. Probably because it was terrible.
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