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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10407 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-20 22:20:38
October 20 2025 22:16 GMT
#1
Perhaps things have changed over the years, but I recall that in the past, threads for the BW Strategy section had to be of a certain quality. I recall that people were explicitly banned from posting in the Strategy section for posting consistently stupid shit.

Nowadays, 99% of the threads are being created by people who either:

1. Are only observers and don't play at all.
2. Play at a ridiculously low level.
3. Are actually writing a blog about their impressions of recent games, split up into several dozen almost-uninterrupted posts, over the course of a month, and may have dissociative identity disorder.

Here are the threads I am referring to:

https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/642033-proposed-glossary-of-strategic-uncertainty
https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/642021-tvz-theorycraft-improving-on-state-of-the-art
https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/642120-siegecraft-a-new-perspective
https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/642123-bw-ajfirecracker-strategy-and-training
https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/641937-current-meta
https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/642228-tvz-strategies-and-builds
https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/642229-tvp-strategies-and-build

I recognize that I have the ability to report these threads, however, given their number and how long they are staying up, perhaps I missed some sort of inflection point in which stuff like this became normal, and it would have been futile anyway.

So, what is the moderators' take on this? Are you going to abandon the Strategy section to be a cess pool of F rank players' opinions? Or, are you going to move them to blogs, which is where I think most of these "theory" posts belong, or at least BW General?

ETA: Upon reviewing the guidelines in the section, I guess at least two of those threads somewhat follow the rules by putting "[I]" in the title, but even then they run into this:

(2)Applicability
Please make idea threads have some relevance to an actual game of Starcraft. No Queen rushes.


Gonna add a poll just for my own personal curiosity.

Poll: How to fix BW Strategy?

Delete/move threads made by people with minimal understanding of BW. (11)
 
100%

Let them post it. Even if it's stupid/wrong, it's an opportunity to learn. (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

You must be logged in to vote in this poll.

☐ Delete/move threads made by people with minimal understanding of BW.
☐ Let them post it. Even if it's stupid/wrong, it's an opportunity to learn.

"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1560 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-24 23:52:29
October 24 2025 18:19 GMT
#2
Mate the brood war tl section in general o ly has like 10 posters anyway.

Strategy being taken over by these posters at least have it active xdddd

Edit:nvm I just saw that they are just spamming the section
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10407 Posts
October 29 2025 23:11 GMT
#3
On October 28 2025 11:44 perfectspheres wrote:
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On October 28 2025 10:41 Kraekkling wrote:
I thought it might be fruitful to look at maps where Protoss has been doing well vs Zerg. Maybe we can identify some of the relevant map features and use them more frequently in the future.

Here's a selection of maps from eloboard where Protoss has a WR above 50%. I left out maps which are rather non-standard, e.g. Monty Hall or Minstrel. There actually aren't that many maps that fit this description, so I included three more maps with WRs very close to 50% (Apocalypse, Pole Star, Neo Sylphid).


maps that nerf the 973 build

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Each of these three maps somehow nerf the 973 hydra builds. I'd really like to see both the low-ground stripe of KnockOut used more often in the future, as well as the particular double entrance layout on Revolver.


other

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Here it's somewhat harder to pinpoint a specific feature. To me it seems like on some of these maps its particularly hard to play the midgame hydra/lurker zone control as Zerg. As Zerg, you'd like to have a single, big Lurker field which can be constantly reinforced and Protoss is forced to attack into it. Some of these maps either have a layout where the expansions are positioned in such a way that it's awkward to set up this defensive lurker field (Citadel, Blitz, Invader); or the map layout is in a way such that Protoss can attack into the lurker field from an advantageous high ground position (Butter, Pole Star).

A somewhat recurring feature might also be the presence of easily defensible, single-ramp highground expansions.

---

Last, there are some specific features that can be added to basically any map. One is the possibility to cannon rush at the natural, and another is the presence of tight spots at expansions where Zealots can be positioned so that only a single Zergling can attack them. Anything else?

Please add if anything is missing here and why you think the maps above are good for Protoss.

What other features could be used on maps that would help Protoss in this matchup? I think of particular interest are things that don't otherwise break or change the game too much, while also not having too big of an influence on the other matchups...


You might make some good points, but we basically check out when someone says "I".

I = me = myself. We do things together always.

Can't really do anything with people who think they are doing things by themself.

Not a great vibe as the millenials would say 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️


https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=2&topic_id=642327

Why are posts like this allowed in the BW Strategy subforum? Why can a person with schizophrenia/dissociative identity disorder take hostage actual productive threads of said subforum? It's a growing problem and while it may seem punitive and/or discriminatory, I don't think that entertaining these types of posts is a helpful approach to keeping a website going. Activity for activity's sake loses value when activity is done by people who can't even figure themselves out, much less StarCraft's strategic depth and value.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
767 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-31 16:22:28
October 31 2025 16:22 GMT
#4
they still post this schizophrenic stuff

I've reported the post below, how does this not even warrant a warning or something?

https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/642327-pvz-map-balance#2

there's a few posters who are either mentally unwell, mentally handicapped, or simply trolling. basically once they enter a thread, it gets derailed by their rambling

I assume most people that read these forums know to not interact with them but usually there will be a few rather new accounts which get baited into responding
(*^^)(^*)
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada536 Posts
November 01 2025 04:50 GMT
#5
Yeah its a real problem.

A tight ship is better than a leaky one imo.

If it looks like a blog, and walks like a blog, move it to blogs...you know the ones...
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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