EPTUS Politics Feedback Thread - Page 295
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
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KwarK
United States42959 Posts
Jordan Peterson, when not high on pills, is famous for doing the same thing. He’ll interject some shit about lobster sexual biology into an argument about feminism which can only be interpreted as him arguing that because X applies to lobster sexual pairings then surely it also applies to human gender relationships. The other person in the debate then, as a human capable of following a coherent argument, argues against human gender relations incorporating X leading to Peterson declaring “Ahah! But I never said anything about people, I was just talking about lobsters for no fucking reason in the middle of a debate like a senile fuckwit, you’re putting words in my mouth”. Xxio is now going “Ahah! But I never said anything racist, I was just reading my book of random statistics and felt like sharing some of those statistics at random and your suggestion that there might be some kind of racist subtext to this is highly offensive”. It’s a stupid game for stupid people. This isn’t a YouTube “owning feminists with facts and logic” video, you don’t get points for making your point in such an obtuse way that people have to make it for you before arguing against you. If you want to say that black people are welfare queens then just fucking say it. | ||
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brian
United States9625 Posts
On June 01 2020 01:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote: If it you think it is a useless exchange why make the same kind of comment in the first place? And Gorsameth, what blatant bait am I making? Point it out. Go on. If I am a dick and making bait posts then what is: What standard is it that if it is GH it's fine, if it is someone else it is not? Seriously though when GH had his blog thread to make his blog posts, the US Pol thread was remarkably improved. your posts aren’t comparable. yours are worse. i’ve reported them all to see what would happen, not too surprised nothing came of it. i’m embarrassed for us both. in a thread where i think i’ve been fairly civil and you’ve embarrassed me. as far as i can tell, this is standard for your posting and you’re allowed to get away with it. posting this here again. i take it back, i can’t just let it go. someone gonna have to ban me. i’m happy to see it be me, so long as someone has put their name on this crap you routinely post. i clearly need a break if this is on me. On May 31 2020 06:28 brian wrote: pretending that’s criticism. that’s some bait. oh my mistake, i was talking about your posting. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Sent.
Poland9213 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
If this is all some sort of deep cover play for alt right infiltration, wait until it’s alt right nonsense. Signed, someone who’s been called a white supremacist and alt right in PMs and threads for five fucking years or more. | ||
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KwarK
United States42959 Posts
On June 01 2020 06:06 Sent. wrote: Is it technically possible to ban a mod here? An admin would have to do it after internal discussions. It’s above my level. It’s highly unlikely that it would go from staff to ban though in my experience. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19086 Posts
On June 01 2020 06:06 Sent. wrote: Is it technically possible to ban a mod here? It has happened but it's extremely rare. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9213 Posts
On June 01 2020 06:09 KwarK wrote: An admin would have to do it after internal discussions. It’s above my level. It’s highly unlikely that it would go from staff to ban though in my experience. I'm just asking if it's doable. Like banning and unbanning yourself as a joke or banning yourself after losing a ban bet. | ||
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KwarK
United States42959 Posts
On June 01 2020 06:20 Sent. wrote: I'm just asking if it's doable. Like banning and unbanning yourself as a joke or banning yourself after losing a ban bet. Haji did it after doing 50k posts in 6 months and running half the website for a bit I think. But he had admin powers as I recall. Regular banlings can’t. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9675 Posts
On June 01 2020 06:09 Danglars wrote: There won’t be a thread if you ban for selective posting of facts. The kind of facts you’d rally to oppose Xxio’s statements would fall under the same label. Talk it out. If this is all some sort of deep cover play for alt right infiltration, wait until it’s alt right nonsense. Signed, someone who’s been called a white supremacist and alt right in PMs and threads for five fucking years or more. I kind of agree. I actually think the best thing to do with eugenicist propaganda is ignore it and don't have the conversation and maybe he'll go away. Having the conversation achieves nothing in cases like this. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28683 Posts
However, I think it would be for the best if good sir xxio didn't pretend like he was posting random unrelated facts without context or without making an argument through posting said facts. Obviously he was. If he actually spelled it out, it might not even be that bad of an argument; he responded to a post making the claim that 'hundreds of years of of a whole population being killed by the state lol.' - an obvious hyperbole, and giving the most charitable interpretation - which is what I think we should go for, if we want to have productive discussions - perhaps he meant to argue that obviously the state cares about black people, otherwise it would not be supplying them with so much welfare. It's a bit like countering 'palestinians are subject to a literal genocide' through stating 'palestinian population numbers keep increasing'. That, imo, is a legitimate counter to the statement that palestinians are subject to a literal genocide - however, if you make that statement without additional information, you should not be surprised to find people interpret your post as a defense of how palestinians are treated. If you didn't mean to issue that defense, then you should write some more, and definitely not argue that 'I'm not making an argument'. So for me, the issue isn't so much the selective facts posted, as it is the lack of personal opinion and arguments accompanying the facts posted, and in particular the problem is the claim that no argument was made through posting that particular set of facts. Which facts one decides to highlight in an argument is part of an argument. I value the contribution of different points of view in the thread, and as such, I wish Xxio would chime in with his actual thoughts. As much as I understand that the pile-on is annoying to deal with, this half-hearted contribution isn't helping anything. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Travis posting unreportable slander is also not a great look ("Soros is paying antifa"! Which is somehow slanderous to both entities. One, antifa wouldn't even WANT funding from a billionaire. Two, I've never seen proof Soros paid anyone to protest. Ever. Despite it being a massive talking point for years). I was once given a two day ban for posting allegations that were unproven in the thread. Those allegations had a lot more proof than the ones Travis is currently posting(but were still beneath the acceptable level). | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Would I expect them to be involved in all of this? Probably, yeah, seems like their cup of tea. But I haven't heard a peep about them from folks who don't have an agenda in doing so. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8998 Posts
Anyway, nothing will come of this besides one of us proles being actioned. So I'll drop the topic. | ||
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KwarK
United States42959 Posts
On June 01 2020 07:39 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: What's happening with Xxio is what is being displayed by the protesters. Cops (mods) not holding each other accountable. You know what he's doing is wrong but you won't do anything about it. You're effectively just as bad as he is. He's seen this thread and the other and has been asked to clarify his position but he digs right in. It's xDaunt levels of stubbornness. Anyway, nothing will come of this besides one of us proles being actioned. So I'll drop the topic. It's not at all like that. There was another staff member (can't remember his name, it's been a few years) who went full alt right a few years back and got banned. xDaunt was staff for a while too but his shit was deemed equally unacceptable. TL has a 100% success record of addressing this stuff. The idea that TL is anything like the police (blue wall of silence, protect your brothers) is absurd. If the cops routinely investigated themselves, found themselves at fault, and arrested the officers involved then TL would be like the cops. The issue is that they don't and that American police can't hold themselves to the high standard that Starcraft community forums set. You can't see the internal staff discussions on this stuff but TL has absolutely earned the right to ask that you trust the process because the process has consistently been shown to work. This isn't like a cop saying "wait for the results of our investigation, trust the process" and letting their buddies off once the heat is down. This is like a cop saying the exact same shit after a 100% track record of correctly arresting their buddies after the investigation. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Edit: and I appreciate the ninja response, Kwark, fwiw | ||
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KwarK
United States42959 Posts
On June 01 2020 07:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Kwark edited the name out and now my post looks dumb. I appreciate it anyway. I misremembered the name of the staff member who went all blood and soil on us. It was amazingxkcd. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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