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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36961 Posts
September 24 2018 22:27 GMT
#3881
On September 25 2018 07:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2018 07:17 Seeker wrote:
On September 25 2018 07:08 Excludos wrote:
On September 25 2018 06:20 Womwomwom wrote:


Like I keep saying, the conservative Supreme Court would so damn easy if they had picked someone else and/or Kav did them a solid and bailed out. Trump is probably betting correctly that Republican supporters want the conservative Supreme Court so much that they probably don’t care who gets on the bench so long as he’s “conservative” enough.

Life really doesn’t have to be this hard.


This post infuriates me. Not because of the content, but because if anyone else posted a twitter message like that they would get a warning. I don't mind the message, I understand that sometimes a source is necessary for continued discourse. However if the rules state that they're not allowed, I wish mods would at least follow them themselves. Or if the rule is so rubbish that mods can't follow it themselves (which I believe it is), then change it to something more reasonable. Somewhere there is a middle ground between spamming twitter messages with no discourse and never being allowed to post a single one despite it being relevant to the discussion at hand.

Let me take care of this.


Would I be right to presume our relationship is still too raw to joke about this?

I have no idea as to what you're referencing. Enlighten me.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22991 Posts
September 24 2018 22:35 GMT
#3882
On September 25 2018 07:27 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2018 07:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 25 2018 07:17 Seeker wrote:
On September 25 2018 07:08 Excludos wrote:
On September 25 2018 06:20 Womwomwom wrote:
https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/status/1044333161142935553

Like I keep saying, the conservative Supreme Court would so damn easy if they had picked someone else and/or Kav did them a solid and bailed out. Trump is probably betting correctly that Republican supporters want the conservative Supreme Court so much that they probably don’t care who gets on the bench so long as he’s “conservative” enough.

Life really doesn’t have to be this hard.


This post infuriates me. Not because of the content, but because if anyone else posted a twitter message like that they would get a warning. I don't mind the message, I understand that sometimes a source is necessary for continued discourse. However if the rules state that they're not allowed, I wish mods would at least follow them themselves. Or if the rule is so rubbish that mods can't follow it themselves (which I believe it is), then change it to something more reasonable. Somewhere there is a middle ground between spamming twitter messages with no discourse and never being allowed to post a single one despite it being relevant to the discussion at hand.

Let me take care of this.


Would I be right to presume our relationship is still too raw to joke about this?

I have no idea as to what you're referencing. Enlighten me.


I'll take this as a maybe and go with:

I'm sure we're all now curious whether Womwom has seen his error and why it needed to be addressed by mod action so that he not make such a problematic error again or if he agrees with Excludos that it's a silly rule enforced in a silly way.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 24 2018 22:37 GMT
#3883
This is the most passive aggressive argument I’ve seen in a while.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22991 Posts
September 24 2018 22:49 GMT
#3884
On September 25 2018 07:37 Plansix wrote:
This is the most passive aggressive argument I’ve seen in a while.


You must have missed this one?

On September 24 2018 23:08 Plansix wrote:
Sometimes the one liners are really good.


Whoever saw em knows what I'm talking about. Anyway, I've had my fun for now, I'll stop bothering you guys here.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-25 02:10:26
September 25 2018 02:04 GMT
#3885
I personally don't get why the text has to come before the source. I got warned for that at one point. I probably understand explaining your viewpoint before reading the article, but then that forces the reader to enter the article with a viewpoint that's not theres.
Life?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13816 Posts
September 25 2018 05:16 GMT
#3886
On September 25 2018 11:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I personally don't get why the text has to come before the source. I got warned for that at one point. I probably understand explaining your viewpoint before reading the article, but then that forces the reader to enter the article with a viewpoint that's not theres.

Its about context. You add context (the bare minimum people are asking for) before the post so people have some understanding on what they're suppose to be reading. You put it afterwords and the onus is then on them to read it multiple times to get it, Once as they scroll down initialy and then again after you have explained what they just read and what they were suppose to get out of it.

Your argument doesn't have to come before the article. Just saying "this tweet is by a journo from the NYT" or "this tweet by x politicians staffer" Is enough to not get actioned. Beacuse even that bare minimum effort is the context people are asking for your post not to be clogging up the thread with filler or worse.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7028 Posts
September 25 2018 10:24 GMT
#3887
The discussion between Plansix and Danglars on the last two or so pages of the USP thread is honestly a good example of an annoying back and forth which makes the thread unreadable.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2018 10:36 GMT
#3888
On September 25 2018 19:24 Grumbels wrote:
The discussion between Plansix and Danglars on the last two or so pages of the USP thread is honestly a good example of an annoying back and forth which makes the thread unreadable.

That’s fair. I took the “have people not learned from duke and rolling stone” bait and then got concern trolled. I should have known better.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 25 2018 12:44 GMT
#3889
Danglars rejoins the thread and it immediately turns to shit. It was nice whilst it lasted. I suppose he'll be back here claiming victimhood soon enough.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 25 2018 12:50 GMT
#3890
That’s race in politics for you. You can’t even bring up Kavanaugh on the issues without some ridiculous “derp you feel the need to defend rich white males” epithet.

It kind of turns it from Kavanaugh to how Plansix can’t trust me to actually support justice (faux Justice) and my predilections or whatever.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-25 13:03:04
September 25 2018 13:01 GMT
#3891
What can I say, I call it like I see it. Justice only becomes your topic of choice when comes to conservatives. You seem to not give two fucks the rest of the time.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-25 13:16:24
September 25 2018 13:16 GMT
#3892
On September 25 2018 22:01 Plansix wrote:
What can I say, I call it like I see it. Justice only becomes your topic of choice when comes to conservatives. You seem to not give two fucks the rest of the time.

Yes, and since you immediately make it about me and what you think about my historical views on justice as it involves race rather than my views as expressed on Kavanaugh, you’re making it personal. I don’t give a fuck if you presume all this bad intent when I say the justice for accused weighs heavily here, as long as you can contain yourself and keep it to yourself to stay on topic.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2018 13:36 GMT
#3893
On September 25 2018 22:16 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2018 22:01 Plansix wrote:
What can I say, I call it like I see it. Justice only becomes your topic of choice when comes to conservatives. You seem to not give two fucks the rest of the time.

Yes, and since you immediately make it about me and what you think about my historical views on justice as it involves race rather than my views as expressed on Kavanaugh, you’re making it personal. I don’t give a fuck if you presume all this bad intent when I say the justice for accused weighs heavily here, as long as you can contain yourself and keep it to yourself to stay on topic.

That’s fair.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8000 Posts
September 25 2018 18:26 GMT
#3894
On September 25 2018 07:17 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2018 07:08 Excludos wrote:
On September 25 2018 06:20 Womwomwom wrote:
https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/status/1044333161142935553

Like I keep saying, the conservative Supreme Court would so damn easy if they had picked someone else and/or Kav did them a solid and bailed out. Trump is probably betting correctly that Republican supporters want the conservative Supreme Court so much that they probably don’t care who gets on the bench so long as he’s “conservative” enough.

Life really doesn’t have to be this hard.


This post infuriates me. Not because of the content, but because if anyone else posted a twitter message like that they would get a warning. I don't mind the message, I understand that sometimes a source is necessary for continued discourse. However if the rules state that they're not allowed, I wish mods would at least follow them themselves. Or if the rule is so rubbish that mods can't follow it themselves (which I believe it is), then change it to something more reasonable. Somewhere there is a middle ground between spamming twitter messages with no discourse and never being allowed to post a single one despite it being relevant to the discussion at hand.

Let me take care of this.


Ok, so I have apparently missed the updated header for the thread, which potentially makes my post make less sense than otherwise. Is it now always legal to post sources and tweets as long as they come after your text discussing them? If that's the case then Womwomwom's mistake was a lot smaller than I initially surmised, and I feel I maybe threw him under the bus a little. Earlier it wasn't allowed at all if I recall, before or after the text.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13816 Posts
September 25 2018 22:15 GMT
#3895
On September 26 2018 03:26 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2018 07:17 Seeker wrote:
On September 25 2018 07:08 Excludos wrote:
On September 25 2018 06:20 Womwomwom wrote:
https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/status/1044333161142935553

Like I keep saying, the conservative Supreme Court would so damn easy if they had picked someone else and/or Kav did them a solid and bailed out. Trump is probably betting correctly that Republican supporters want the conservative Supreme Court so much that they probably don’t care who gets on the bench so long as he’s “conservative” enough.

Life really doesn’t have to be this hard.


This post infuriates me. Not because of the content, but because if anyone else posted a twitter message like that they would get a warning. I don't mind the message, I understand that sometimes a source is necessary for continued discourse. However if the rules state that they're not allowed, I wish mods would at least follow them themselves. Or if the rule is so rubbish that mods can't follow it themselves (which I believe it is), then change it to something more reasonable. Somewhere there is a middle ground between spamming twitter messages with no discourse and never being allowed to post a single one despite it being relevant to the discussion at hand.

Let me take care of this.


Ok, so I have apparently missed the updated header for the thread, which potentially makes my post make less sense than otherwise. Is it now always legal to post sources and tweets as long as they come after your text discussing them? If that's the case then Womwomwom's mistake was a lot smaller than I initially surmised, and I feel I maybe threw him under the bus a little. Earlier it wasn't allowed at all if I recall, before or after the text.

It was never not allowed. People said that it was beacuse they refused to do the bare minimum of giveing context to what they were filling up the thread with.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8000 Posts
September 26 2018 15:23 GMT
#3896
On September 26 2018 07:15 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2018 03:26 Excludos wrote:
On September 25 2018 07:17 Seeker wrote:
On September 25 2018 07:08 Excludos wrote:
On September 25 2018 06:20 Womwomwom wrote:
https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/status/1044333161142935553

Like I keep saying, the conservative Supreme Court would so damn easy if they had picked someone else and/or Kav did them a solid and bailed out. Trump is probably betting correctly that Republican supporters want the conservative Supreme Court so much that they probably don’t care who gets on the bench so long as he’s “conservative” enough.

Life really doesn’t have to be this hard.


This post infuriates me. Not because of the content, but because if anyone else posted a twitter message like that they would get a warning. I don't mind the message, I understand that sometimes a source is necessary for continued discourse. However if the rules state that they're not allowed, I wish mods would at least follow them themselves. Or if the rule is so rubbish that mods can't follow it themselves (which I believe it is), then change it to something more reasonable. Somewhere there is a middle ground between spamming twitter messages with no discourse and never being allowed to post a single one despite it being relevant to the discussion at hand.

Let me take care of this.


Ok, so I have apparently missed the updated header for the thread, which potentially makes my post make less sense than otherwise. Is it now always legal to post sources and tweets as long as they come after your text discussing them? If that's the case then Womwomwom's mistake was a lot smaller than I initially surmised, and I feel I maybe threw him under the bus a little. Earlier it wasn't allowed at all if I recall, before or after the text.

It was never not allowed. People said that it was beacuse they refused to do the bare minimum of giveing context to what they were filling up the thread with.


This is true to some extend. The issue was that after opening the last (and current) thread, the rules got stricter on when you could post tweets and links, but the rules were vague enough that people didn't understand when it was allowed or not, effectively making it illegal unless you felt like rolling the dice on getting a warning or not (Which I assume is the reason why the header has changed to be more clear. I just wanted to confirm it)
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
September 27 2018 21:21 GMT
#3897
aaaaaaannnnnndd SB banned again.

Is the thread really any better off now than it was an hour ago?
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2018 21:39 GMT
#3898
The shit show is over, so the thread is less of a shit show.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22991 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-28 01:00:05
September 28 2018 00:59 GMT
#3899
<citizen hat> GoTuNk!, Kavanaugh stinks. Why don't we find out the source of the stink before the vote?

<mod hat> Also, to those of you treating this thread like a live report thread, please don't. It's not useful and in fact frustrating to be reading the thread and see a short post that just says "Wow, look at what he said!!!"


I spent several minutes trying to come up with an argument for why that should totally be an emote but all I came up with was that it made me smile.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
September 28 2018 14:56 GMT
#3900
I think it's fairly clear that there's an echo chamber developping in the thread and that the new rules are to blame to some extent. I'm there for a few days because it's laughable that Kavanaugh is going to get confirmed and I'm going to take this opportunity to laugh, but I certainly don't find the thread to be as good as it used to be.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
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