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Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 25 2018 21:32 GMT

#3441

He made the account today and jumped right into both politics threads. I expect a bright future.

zlefin

United States7689 Posts

July 25 2018 21:52 GMT

#3442

whatever; personally he seemed quite civil enough I'd have been inclined to cut him a bit more slack. give him a chance to admit he's wrong when presented with the evidence. it's possible he's simply very poorly informed.
not that I'd have high hopes; people who start with fact sets like that, things rarely go well.

iamthedave

England2814 Posts

July 25 2018 22:15 GMT

#3443

The GH/Jimmi thing just spiralled the way it always does when someone strongly disagrees with GH. Sooner or later he starts on accusations that are true (or not) or aggressive (or not), and sometimes, he ends up arguing with someone who can't take it and retaliates in kind. It's a pattern he repeats regularly with posters from me to Zlefin to Plansix to Danglars to Xdaunt etc. etc.

Jimmi also got dogpiled a bit and responded very poorly to it. But the assumption of his whiteness seemed to be when the gloves came off on his side, and led to the racism he threw back at GH.

IgnE

United States7684 Posts

July 25 2018 22:31 GMT

#3444

jimmic is white though, right?

iamthedave

England2814 Posts

July 25 2018 23:22 GMT

#3445

On July 26 2018 07:31 IgnE wrote:
jimmic is white though, right?

Mixed race, apparently. Don't know which.

brian

United States9643 Posts

July 25 2018 23:33 GMT

#3446

he seemed nice enough, but it’s a politics thread. not a conspiracy theory thread.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 25 2018 23:37 GMT

#3447

Folks, conspiracy theory peddlers always start out nice. It is how they get good will to peddle their conspiracy theories

IgnE

United States7684 Posts

July 25 2018 23:46 GMT

#3448

On July 26 2018 08:22 iamthedave wrote:

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Mixed race, apparently. Don't know which.

"mixed breed" ie scottish and english?

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

July 26 2018 00:52 GMT

#3449

On July 25 2018 23:46 Seeker wrote:
Can someone explain the whole JimmiC vs GH thing to me?

I may be wrong but it seems like JimmiC just attacked GH out of the blue. And then a giant shit-storm of back and forths took place afterwards. What was JimmiC's main point? What was GH's main point?

My take is:

GreenHorizons asked " In what measurable ways has the gap between white and Black people closed since the 60's?" in this post, in the context of a conversation with Kwark among others. Given his track history several people in the thread expressed the opinion (in as many words) that this question and his subsequent behaviour was deliberate bait for GH to snipe at whoever tried to answer it, rather than a prelude to a reasonable discussion.
JimmiC replies with some statement about Obama and "Your soap box is getting very tippy".
GreenHorizons replies with pure vitriol.
JimmiC replies with some more nastiness and "instead of me doing work and then you claiming its propaganda, how about you do some work".
From that point onwards they're largely talking at cross purposes, although I will say Jimmi ponied up with a substantive post well before GH did.

I don't think JimmiC's examples precisely addressed the question of the gap, as opposed to increase in general conditions, but I think they addressed it to some degree.

tl;dr: Jimmi fired the first shot that I can see. On the other hand the entire thing could have been avoided if GH had sourced his original statement instead of spoiling for a fight, or if GH had shown the slightest interest in deescalation. The crack from GH referring to Jimmi's self-identification as "the whitest thing you could have said" was a pretty significant escalation IMO.

As for their actual points, as far as I know Jimmi agreed with a fair bit of GreenHorizons' overall argument but thought the claim about the 60s was an overreach, and that eliminating or clarifying it would strengthen the overall argument. He did approach it pretty cackhanded, seemingly out of previous frusturation with GH.

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom10011 Posts

July 26 2018 07:05 GMT

#3450

To be fair, JimmyC has been finding every single post GH makes and starting an argument about it. The first time I saw it they were talking about Chavez and Venezuela. Jimmy decided GH is a communist and needs showing up, and GH responded in his own way.
Ever since then JimmyC has been sniping his posts.
That's what it looks like to me anyway.

Nebuchad

Switzerland12571 Posts

July 26 2018 07:15 GMT

#3451

Yeah I agree with Jock. Can't separate this instance of GH and Jimmi talking from the last however many times this happened.

GreenHorizons

United States24387 Posts

July 27 2018 01:29 GMT

#3452

Did I miss the story on "the new" Johnny or we all just confused?

Sermokala

United States14211 Posts

July 27 2018 01:48 GMT

#3453

He probably sold his account to a russian propaganda firm. Ive gotten an offer before.

ShoCkeyy

7815 Posts

July 27 2018 02:44 GMT

#3454

On July 27 2018 10:48 Sermokala wrote:
He probably sold his account to a russian propaganda firm. Ive gotten an offer before.

Really? That's interesting.

Sermokala

United States14211 Posts

July 27 2018 03:27 GMT

#3455

On July 27 2018 11:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:

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Really? That's interesting.

College football message board accounts with some social standing are really valuable.

GreenHorizons

United States24387 Posts

July 27 2018 04:12 GMT

#3456

On July 27 2018 10:48 Sermokala wrote:
He probably sold his account to a russian propaganda firm. Ive gotten an offer before.

Must be why I like him so much more now.

iamthedave

England2814 Posts

July 27 2018 11:02 GMT

#3457

On July 26 2018 08:46 IgnE wrote:

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"mixed breed" ie scottish and english?

No I think Latin/American, but I don't know if it was confirmed for sure. I'm guessing he's not vanilla white given how angry he got over the comment.

farvacola

United States18869 Posts

July 27 2018 11:05 GMT

#3458

New Jonny=Best Jonny

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 27 2018 15:17 GMT

#3459

On July 27 2018 20:05 farvacola wrote:
New Jonny=Best Jonny

The only Jonny I want to know.

zlefin

United States7689 Posts

July 27 2018 21:39 GMT

#3460

On July 25 2018 00:16 zlefin wrote:

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On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:

On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:

On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:

On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:

On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled.

To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do.

I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like.

I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback.

Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice.

This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place.

Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible.

If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say you what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod.

Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe.

I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions

Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here

an interesting hypothesis; I wonder if enough of the silent people read this thread for a poll to be useful?
iirc polls often get more people answering than are otherwise active in the thread. not sure about optimal settings to use; requiring logins is better for authentication, but idunno what the overall user base is like and how many people just read.
let's see what we get

Poll: How do you feel about the job Seeker is doing in US pol moderation

(Vote): Strongly Approve
(Vote): Moderately Approve
(Vote): Slightly Approve
(Vote): Neutral
(Vote): Slightly Disapprove
(Vote): Moderately Disapprove
(Vote): Strongly Disapprove

and now for the hard/fun part: interpreting poll results!

we can all see what the numbers are, so what do we consider them to mean, if anything?
do we take them as an overall endorsement of quality? it certainly looks like a decent enough overall result.
I note that very few people chose slightly approve/disapprove; I forget the statistical term equivalent to polarisation, but that seemed to apply here.
we lack any baseline result to compare to, at least that I'm aware of. are there any other polls in TL past that could serve as a basis?

edit: oh, and now the number's are changing because more people are seeing the poll and taking a choice, that makes it more confusing.

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