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Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9915 Posts

July 27 2018 22:03 GMT

#3461

zlefin dude.
I mean...
Nope.
Lost for words.

zlefin

United States7689 Posts

July 27 2018 22:40 GMT

#3462

On July 28 2018 07:03 Jockmcplop wrote:
zlefin dude.
I mean...
Nope.
Lost for words.

what?
we all know the conclusions to be reached from a poll are far more complicated than what the poll itself says; and we're familiar with the ways in which polls can be inaccurate.

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

July 27 2018 22:53 GMT

#3463

So:
84% approve or are neutral when it comes to his moderation.
66% approve of his moderation.
Well done Seeker! Good stuff! Still not best mod, that would be me, but you can have 2nd place

edit: added inflammatory statement in there

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts

July 27 2018 22:58 GMT

#3464

On July 28 2018 07:53 BigFan wrote:
So:
84% approve or are neutral when it comes to his moderation.
66% approve of his moderation.
Well done Seeker! Good stuff! Still not best mod, that would be me, but you can have 2nd place

edit: added inflammatory statement in there

Don't make me put up a poll for you too and SHOW YOU who is the real 2nd place mod.

LegalLord

United States13779 Posts

July 27 2018 23:14 GMT

#3465

BigFan is a pretty good mod.

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

July 27 2018 23:17 GMT

#3466

^ thanks LL

On July 28 2018 07:58 Seeker wrote:

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Don't make me put up a poll for you too and SHOW YOU who is the real 2nd place mod.

It would only count if a non-staff person made it but maybe it's best not to, I'd rather not see you lose

ShoCkeyy

7815 Posts

July 28 2018 14:12 GMT

#3467

I can make it, would it still count? Bwuahaha

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

July 28 2018 16:49 GMT

#3468

i am willing to sell my vote for any competitions. pm me your offers.

Aveng3r

United States2411 Posts

July 30 2018 14:42 GMT

#3469

On July 28 2018 06:39 zlefin wrote:

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On July 25 2018 00:16 zlefin wrote:

On July 25 2018 00:03 Aveng3r wrote:

On July 24 2018 23:44 Seeker wrote:

On July 24 2018 22:36 LegalLord wrote:

On July 24 2018 22:20 Seeker wrote:

On July 24 2018 22:01 LegalLord wrote:
To be blunt, Seeker, you're really not one of the better active mods of the USPOL thread and based on that history you're coming off more like an immature child rather than a justifiably annoyed person telling off an overzealous poster. Dunno the contents of the PM so I don't know what is or isn't banworthy there, but you're definitely in the wrong in terms of how this is being handled.

To be blunt, you have always questioned my moderation decisions and have often pointed out your discontent in how I do things. You can keep siding with GH all you want but your statements carry as much weight as GH's statements do.

I question your decisions, yes, as should be expected given that I don’t think you’re a good moderator. Out of the three active mods of the thread - tofucake, BigFan, and yourself - you are by far the worst one, with the most foot-in-mouth decisions and just general failure to properly deal with situations that come up. I can see that I’m not alone in thinking so, as about 80 percent of the complaints about moderation decisions I’ve seen in the last year or so focus on actions carried out by you specifically. And those seem to be fairly well-distributed among political leanings and the like.

I don’t really expect my word to “carry weight” as like anyone else I’m just some guy on the internet. However, your clear inability to take criticism with maturity (instead going with “fuck that guy for disagreeing with me”) doesn’t exactly show you to be a good moderator. It mostly shows the precise lack of introspection that makes me feel that it is appropriate to provide this very feedback.

Whether or not you want to listen is of course entirely your choice.

This is probably the first time I've given off an immature reaction. And that's only because I didn't appreciate GH's immature tone that he took up with me in the first place.

Show me any response I gave that can be seen as immature other than what just happened today. I am a fair moderator who always listens to what everyone has to say and try to give as much detailed responses as possible.

If you want, I can be like most other mods and just not give a fuck about your feedback and comments and just tell you that my word is final. I can also just ignore your PMs and questions entirely and just leave you hanging. But I don't do that because I am a good moderator. Say you what you want about me all you want, but I know for a fact that I am a good mod. And just because I do things that don't seem favorable to you or your political side, doesn't mean that I'm a bad mod.

Also, I have an inability to take criticism with maturity? Every single time a mod action of mine gets brought into question, I address what everyone has to say and accept it completely when I realize that I did something wrong or incorrectly. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I can't accept criticism because I sure as hell haven't been giving off that kind of vibe.

I think the silent majority believe that you do fine, probably more than most since you actually engage with people and discuss your decisions

Personally I don't know how you stay patient with some of the people in here

an interesting hypothesis; I wonder if enough of the silent people read this thread for a poll to be useful?
iirc polls often get more people answering than are otherwise active in the thread. not sure about optimal settings to use; requiring logins is better for authentication, but idunno what the overall user base is like and how many people just read.
let's see what we get

Poll: How do you feel about the job Seeker is doing in US pol moderation

(Vote): Strongly Approve
(Vote): Moderately Approve
(Vote): Slightly Approve
(Vote): Neutral
(Vote): Slightly Disapprove
(Vote): Moderately Disapprove
(Vote): Strongly Disapprove

and now for the hard/fun part: interpreting poll results!

we can all see what the numbers are, so what do we consider them to mean, if anything?
do we take them as an overall endorsement of quality? it certainly looks like a decent enough overall result.
I note that very few people chose slightly approve/disapprove; I forget the statistical term equivalent to polarisation, but that seemed to apply here.
we lack any baseline result to compare to, at least that I'm aware of. are there any other polls in TL past that could serve as a basis?

edit: oh, and now the number's are changing because more people are seeing the poll and taking a choice, that makes it more confusing.

I really don't see the need to over complicate this. The poll asked how people felt about Seeker's moderation, and the results are mostly positive. Done.

Dangermousecatdog

United Kingdom7084 Posts

July 30 2018 15:23 GMT

#3470

We are not done. We absolutely need to know if BigFan is best mod or not.

Poll: Who is the better mod?

(Vote): BigFan
(Vote): Seeker

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9915 Posts

July 30 2018 16:36 GMT

#3471

Obviously the only way to settle the best mod question is a competition to see who can ban the most people in a day. Extra points for banning people who have been here for longer/with more posts.

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

July 30 2018 18:48 GMT

#3472

On July 31 2018 00:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
We are not done. We absolutely need to know if BigFan is best mod or not.

Poll: Who is the better mod?

(Vote): BigFan
(Vote): Seeker

LIES! Seeker can't be winning, we all know he's hated around here while I've never banned anyone!

GreenHorizons

United States24130 Posts

July 30 2018 18:49 GMT

#3473

Well now I'm confused Seeker.

I think I deserve an explanation.

LegalLord

United States13779 Posts

July 30 2018 19:50 GMT

#3474

Ooh, is it “loaded poll question day” already? I want to play!

Hmm, how about, “would you rather have xDaunt or zlefin as the new politics moderator?” Or “which one USPOL regular deserves a perm ban?” Sounds like fun!

GreenHorizons

United States24130 Posts

July 30 2018 19:58 GMT

#3475

On July 31 2018 04:50 LegalLord wrote:
Ooh, is it “loaded poll question day” already? I want to play!

Hmm, how about, “would you rather have xDaunt or zlefin as the new politics moderator?” Or “which one USPOL regular deserves a perm ban?” Sounds like fun!

I'd be interested if xDaunt and I could come to terms on him not banning me (or what posts would get me banned under his rule).

But I feel like it would be easier to navigate at this particular moment.

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

July 30 2018 20:41 GMT

#3476

On July 31 2018 04:58 GreenHorizons wrote:

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I generally don't consider your posts to be actionable. The only exception is when you don't let certain things go, which results in the thread getting crapped up.

GreenHorizons

United States24130 Posts

July 30 2018 20:48 GMT

#3477

On July 31 2018 05:41 xDaunt wrote:

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I generally don't consider your posts to be actionable. The only exception is when you don't let certain things go, which results in the thread getting crapped up.

Then we could probably come to terms, not sure it's a trade I'd be interested in though since it appears I've found a workable common ground with Seeker at the moment. We're a tough crowd, so I should cut him some slack for now.

fwiw I still am curious about the duration of thread bans and how those are determined/if people getting them have any idea how long they'll last.

Last I remember they were just indefinite with sincere contrition being the key to reentry (rather than any particular length of time) but I could be totally wrong on that.

LegalLord

United States13779 Posts

July 30 2018 22:26 GMT

#3478

Historically I have about 90% agreement with xDaunt on matters of who and what is problematic regarding the thread. But interested parties doling our action can never be perceived as fair.

Aveng3r

United States2411 Posts

July 31 2018 02:48 GMT

#3479

On July 31 2018 07:26 LegalLord wrote:
Historically I have about 90% agreement with xDaunt on matters of who and what is problematic regarding the thread. But interested parties doling our action can never be perceived as fair.

has it ever occured to you that YES. THEY. CAN. and maybe just maybe the problem is on your end?

These self righteous posts drive me up the wall