EPTOn July 31 2018 12:07 LegalLord wrote:
No, the thought has never, ever, ever even crossed my mind.
No, the thought has never, ever, ever even crossed my mind.
That's too bad
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17190 Posts
On July 31 2018 05:48 GreenHorizons wrote: Then we could probably come to terms, not sure it's a trade I'd be interested in though since it appears I've found a workable common ground with Seeker at the moment. We're a tough crowd, so I should cut him some slack for now. fwiw I still am curious about the duration of thread bans and how those are determined/if people getting them have any idea how long they'll last. Last I remember they were just indefinite with sincere contrition being the key to reentry (rather than any particular length of time) but I could be totally wrong on that. if you think you are correct about something you shouldn't have to "let it go". if various people continue to disagree with you and you continue to come up with fact-filled and logic-filled rebuttals that back your viewpoint we all can learn something. if some people think it is "crapping up the thread" i think those people can just hit the scroll button if it is a debate in which they are not interested. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23581 Posts
On August 02 2018 03:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if you think you are correct about something you shouldn't have to "let it go". if various people continue to disagree with you and you continue to come up with fact-filled and logic-filled rebuttals that back your viewpoint we all can learn something. if some people think it is "crapping up the thread" i think those people can just hit the scroll button if it is a debate in which they are not interested. I agree, but I'm a jerk about being right. Despite the repeated accusations, I am reasonably comfortable admitting when I don't know something or may be wrong. For instance the PM's that P6 makes sound so terrible are really just me trying to save him the embarrassment of pointing out in thread that he was spreading misleading propaganda (that had already been debunked in thread) to make the point that people like myself were being duped by propaganda (which when pressed, turned out to be just true things spread by bots). Which arose out of just the situation you describe. Where he was proven wrong, never copped to it, then just presented the knowably false argument again and with a new exculpatory reason for why him spreading this propaganda wasn't him being duped. All of which I was told to "drop it", "let it go", "stop PM'ing" and so on. Not that P6 ever did. Despite him being the one who was wrong, lied, and pushed false info 2x, gave a non-apology explanation for his actions (which don't actually add up), and continues to act like I was the jerk for trying to give him a chance to own up to his mistake without making a scene. My reasoning was supported by him not issuing a correction (to what he admitted wasn't true) by it being repeated and used to further arguments from other posters. Part of my ongoing unaddressed (there was an attempt with "focus on the argument") complaint regarding the thread and moderation. But what are ya gunna do eh? | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On August 06 2018 10:47 KwarK wrote: It's not my mental gymnastics, it's theirs, I'm not a Nazi who supports Trump and has to reconcile his incoherent policy decisions with my own Nazi ideology. Why not ask xDaunt this question? Is this acceptable? Kwark is calling xDaunt a Nazi here. Will this have any consequences? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23581 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
In this case, if you replace nationalists with pure bloods and globalists with jews, the talking points xdaunt have is basically Germany 1930s, so I don't know why xdaunt gets offended that we point out that he is parroting nazis. Most of us would be thankful and not use the same line of argument as them ever again, as opposed to insist that it is perfect fine. I also might care if xdaunt doesn't incessantly attack me for everything I ever type, but then refuse to answer basic questions in anything other than trump soundbites if he bothers to give a response, whenever I give him an open ended question. He says he supports Trump becuase of what trump is delivering, but refuses to asnwer the question of what Trump is deleivering. He tells us the mainstream media is the enemy, but refuses to tell us where he gets his news from. He talks about nationalists and globalism, but cannot define either terms, possibly because he knows it makes no sense to use these words in such a manner in the context that the FBI are | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9766 Posts
On August 06 2018 20:18 RvB wrote: Is this acceptable? Kwark is calling xDaunt a Nazi here. Will this have any consequences? There is absolutely no difference in the arguments, language and rhetoric used by xDaunt on this forum and those used by nazis in the company of non-nazis. That someone makes the leap over that tiny gap ain't shocking. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 06 2018 20:18 RvB wrote: Is this acceptable? Kwark is calling xDaunt a Nazi here. Will this have any consequences? He has a history of over the top behavior in regards to xDaunt and conservative posters. He settles down for a while, xDaunt goes back to ignoring his post responses, and the thread goes back to normal. In fact, the Nazi-baiting is an important trendline in the larger discourse about Trump in American society by a section of the left, so it’s no wonder that it shows up here. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On August 06 2018 21:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote: We would all be warned for calling xDaunt a Nazi, but since xdaunt seems to be the mods pet nazi so xdaunt can propagate the current rebranding of nazism, so that we can use him as a foil to point out nazism rebranded, it's hard to care that kwark is pointing out that xdaunt is his pet nazi. In this case, if you replace nationalists with pure bloods and globalists with jews, the talking points xdaunt have is basically Germany 1930s, so I don't know why xdaunt gets offended that we point out that he is parroting nazis. Most of us would be thankful and not use the same line of argument as them ever again, as opposed to insist that it is perfect fine. I also might care if xdaunt doesn't incessantly attack me for everything I ever type, but then refuse to answer basic questions in anything other than trump soundbites if he bothers to give a response, whenever I give him an open ended question. He says he supports Trump becuase of what trump is delivering, but refuses to asnwer the question of what Trump is deleivering. He tells us the mainstream media is the enemy, but refuses to tell us where he gets his news from. He talks about nationalists and globalism, but cannot define either terms, possibly because he knows it makes no sense to use these words in such a manner in the context that the FBI are If you replace the words xDaunt has said with words you prefer and are anti Semitic then obviously he'll look as a Nazi. Yet the term globalist isn't anti semetic and, as xDaunt pointed out, there are many reputable institutions which use the word globalist and/or globalism. What kwark is doing is an association fallacy. Couple that with the ad hominem and it is, in my view, an aweful post which should result in an mod action. As Danglars pointed out this is just one of many offenses already committed by Kwark which is why I asked if it would have consequences this time. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 06 2018 20:18 RvB wrote: Is this acceptable? Kwark is calling xDaunt a Nazi here. Will this have any consequences? Dauntless has a habit of parroting the language of white supremacy and Nazis, while being totally unwilling to engage with the idea he is parroting the language of Nazism and white supremacy. He openly says that white nationalism isn’t inherently racist, so I can’t feel that bad when he gets associated with bigots. Edit: I have never heard the word globalist used by anything that would resemble a respected institution. Globalism, for sure. But not globalist. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 06 2018 23:11 Plansix wrote: Dauntless has a habit of parroting the language of white supremacy and Nazis, while being totally unwilling to engage with the idea he is parroting the language of Nazism and white supremacy. He openly says that white nationalism isn’t inherently racist, so I can’t feel that bad when he gets associated with bigots. Christ, we have been around this block like three times, and you still can’t get it right. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 06 2018 23:13 xDaunt wrote: Christ, we have been around this block like three times, and you still can’t get it right. Yeah, I’m not a naive fool who thinks that ethnostates are healthy a society or something that can be achieved without partnering with bigots. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 06 2018 21:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote: We would all be warned for calling xDaunt a Nazi, but since xdaunt seems to be the mods pet nazi so xdaunt can propagate the current rebranding of nazism, so that we can use him as a foil to point out nazism rebranded, it's hard to care that kwark is pointing out that xdaunt is his pet nazi. In this case, if you replace nationalists with pure bloods and globalists with jews, the talking points xdaunt have is basically Germany 1930s, so I don't know why xdaunt gets offended that we point out that he is parroting nazis. Most of us would be thankful and not use the same line of argument as them ever again, as opposed to insist that it is perfect fine. I also might care if xdaunt doesn't incessantly attack me for everything I ever type, but then refuse to answer basic questions in anything other than trump soundbites if he bothers to give a response, whenever I give him an open ended question. He says he supports Trump becuase of what trump is delivering, but refuses to asnwer the question of what Trump is deleivering. He tells us the mainstream media is the enemy, but refuses to tell us where he gets his news from. He talks about nationalists and globalism, but cannot define either terms, possibly because he knows it makes no sense to use these words in such a manner in the context that the FBI are Why would I bother responding to anything that you ask me when you are either unable or unwilling to see the difference between me and a Nazi? Your misplaced sense of entitlement is unreal. And I hope TL takes note of the bolded part of this post. This is the price paid for leaving Kwark off the leash. We now have a vocal little subgroup of posters who have swallowed Kwark’s bullshit hook, line, and sinker such that we get to see nonsense like the above. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9766 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 06 2018 23:27 Jockmcplop wrote: Maybe we can say that all this is the price the far right pays for having nazis adopt their terminology to avoid looking like nazis. Like I said before, there's no difference between the way xD posts on here and the way nazis talk when they are trying to sound less nazi. It doesn't make xD a nazi, but you can see the similarity in language. And the problem now is that the snake ate its tail and there is cross pollination of terms, where the main stream republicans are picking up terms championed by Nazis. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 06 2018 23:27 Jockmcplop wrote: Maybe we can say that all this is the price the far right pays for having nazis adopt their terminology to avoid looking like nazis. Like I said before, there's no difference between the way xD posts on here and the way nazis talk when they are trying to sound less nazi. It doesn't make xD a nazi, but you can see the similarity in language. Because Nazis want to sound more mainstream than they are, they may conceal themselves in normal language on the right and the fault lies in people using the normal language of the right? You’re a little too obsessed with finding people out to be Nazis, and therefore hone in on secretive little Nazi tells within language. This leaves you open to several nasty conclusions: 1) You’re so incapable of dealing with the arguments against globalism that you must imply the language used in argument is composed of subtle Nazi tells or concealment and 2) You like thinking that your debating opponents are secretly Nazis because it mentally justifies their outright dismissal without consideration. Or, put another way, should you protest that you’re not (1) or (2), I merely assert that people who do both conceal themselves in protests like yours and there’s no difference between your behavior and theirs. It’s plain guilt by association fallacy and I’m surprised this little coterie around Kwark thinks it passes muster. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On August 06 2018 23:11 Plansix wrote: Dauntless has a habit of parroting the language of white supremacy and Nazis, while being totally unwilling to engage with the idea he is parroting the language of Nazism and white supremacy. He openly says that white nationalism isn’t inherently racist, so I can’t feel that bad when he gets associated with bigots. Edit: I have never heard the word globalist used by anything that would resemble a respected institution. Globalism, for sure. But not globalist. Here are some examples. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stratfor/2017/06/28/globalists-nationalists-and-patriots/amp/ https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/03/08/trump-tarriffs-winners-losers-448476 https://www.economist.com/leaders/2016/10/01/why-theyre-wrong https://uk.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1FF0U1 https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/09/13/silicon-valley-bosses-are-globalists-not-libertarians | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9766 Posts
On August 06 2018 23:49 Danglars wrote: Because Nazis want to sound more mainstream than they are, they may conceal themselves in normal language on the right and the fault lies in people using the normal language of the right? You’re a little too obsessed with finding people out to be Nazis, and therefore hone in on secretive little Nazi tells within language. This leaves you open to several nasty conclusions: 1) You’re so incapable of dealing with the arguments against globalism that you must imply the language used in argument is composed of subtle Nazi tells or concealment and 2) You like thinking that your debating opponents are secretly Nazis because it mentally justifies their outright dismissal without consideration. Or, put another way, should you protest that you’re not (1) or (2), I merely assert that people who do both conceal themselves in protests like yours and there’s no difference between your behavior and theirs. It’s plain guilt by association fallacy and I’m surprised this little coterie around Kwark thinks it passes muster. I'm not obsessed at all. I have, in fact, never accused anyone of being a nazi in my entire life. Nice try though  I didn't say the fault lies with people on the right. I said its the price they have to pay. Nazis use their language now, so they look no different to nazis. If you're that bothered by the guilt by association, go complain at the nazis, instead of complaining at the people who notice it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 06 2018 23:50 RvB wrote: Here are some examples. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stratfor/2017/06/28/globalists-nationalists-and-patriots/amp/ https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/03/08/trump-tarriffs-winners-losers-448476 https://www.economist.com/leaders/2016/10/01/why-theyre-wrong https://uk.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1FF0U1 https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/09/13/silicon-valley-bosses-are-globalists-not-libertarians That is new, thanks for finding those. I started to hear the term back in 2014ish being used by people who I would charitablely call bigots. It has entered the main stream, but as I said in the main thread, I don’t believe it has escaped its anti-Semitic roots. | ||
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