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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 14 2018 10:32 Sermokala wrote: We get to talk about relevent topics that don't taint your soul. but we can do that all the time; mostly people just don't want to talk about policy though. no idea what the soul taint point is about (and why it wouldn't apply just as much during election season at any rate) | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On July 13 2018 21:36 Dangermousecatdog wrote: #59984 the post that got GH banned. You know I think it was a bit of a misunderstanding? His post said that those after it would get banned. So I thought I caught seeker and tofu on a technicality (just to be petty lol) I then saw the small print and changed my PM to consider that. I thought you guys could use a break anyway though so I just rode it out. Ironically you guys managed to talk about both racism and 2016 without me (or LL). | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 16 2018 01:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Not really. Adding in fake trade / NATO talk doesn't make it better. #xDauntisfakenews So honest question to the mods. How many people are you going to let just tee off on me? There have been several such posts made over the past few days. Not one has been actioned. I just pulled this one as the latest example. Under what possible construction of the thread rules is this okay? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On July 16 2018 01:27 xDaunt wrote: The statement looks quite different now in context, doesn't it? #fakenews xdaunt claims to put comment in context, by editing out the actual context. Types #fakenews at the end of it. xdaunt acts outraged, instead of relieved, that people are parodying him for #fakenews when propagating a false context by deleting sections of the quoted link, instead of just calling him out for it. But, ok, I'll just say it straight. You, in an attempt to discredit a link, edited a straight quote, and presented it as a quote, and added #fakenews to the end of it. Presenting your own falsehood as truth. Trump #fakenews is a cancer on the truthful reporting of the world and you are absolutely unbelievable for attempting to propagate that very same cretinous style, whilst bringing attention to yourself that you are doing just that. let me go further #xdauntisfakenews butpretendsheisnot and pretendsthatotherpeoplearefakenews | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 16 2018 03:22 zlefin wrote: this seems like something that should be addressed/adjudicated rather than left to fester. Let's just say that there's not a lot of gray area on this one. Have at it mods. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Imagine...I wrote this Lol, "to be fair." How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said? "Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive," Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland. Black unemployment is the lowest level in history. Hispanic unemployment the lowest level in history, Jeff. Women unemployment lowest in 66 years. Our numbers are great. Our GDP numbers are far greater than what they thought. I mean my mother was Scotland, my father was Germany. ," he added. The statement looks quite different now in context, doesn't it? #fakenews Looks bad right? In fact I did the same thing as xdaunt. You don't get to present that what you have written is the entirety of what was said by cutting out bits and then add #fakenews to the end of your post. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 16 2018 02:27 xDaunt wrote: So honest question to the mods. How many people are you going to let just tee off on me? There have been several such posts made over the past few days. Not one has been actioned. I just pulled this one as the latest example. Under what possible construction of the thread rules is this okay? The mods need an American-right moderator desperately, or a return to the hands-off attitude that characterized the previous thread. This kind of double standard exists because posts fitting with left-leaning ideology don’t appear to be so bad (they have a point, don’t they? Even if snarkily written.) whereas ones completing with rightward viewpoints aren’t (well it’s wrong AND slightly acidic language!). Mods? Any chance for honest self reflection and re-evaluation? | ||
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brian
United States9617 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
What exactly are these rightward viewpoints that are wrong AND slightly acidic language? To me the issue of presenting a quote, claiming to depicting the entirety of what was said, and cutting parts in between what was quoted out, and adding #fakenews is neither a right or left issue. xdaunt thinks it's a grey area, and I think it is clear cut, but at no point did either of us claim that it was a political line. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
You for #fakenews I for #xdauntisfakenews Edit: this is purely hypothetical. I am not actually martyring. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
5. Be evocative, not mean. Bashing will not be tolerated; well conceived arguments that reveal the error in your opposition's ways will be. In that I am not bashing but I am "reveal the error in your opposition's ways". I actually have no idea what rule xdaunt is refering to as he did not specify in his post, but I am assuming this one. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
GLOR: Who is your biggest competitor, your biggest foe globally right now? TRUMP: Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is a foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly. They're a foe. But that doesn't mean they're bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they're competitors. They want to do well, and we want to do well. And we're starting to do well. You see what's going on. We have the best employment numbers probably that we have ever had. Black unemployment is the lowest level in history, Hispanic unemployment the lowest level in history, Jeff, women unemployment lowest in 66 years. Our numbers are great. Our GDP numbers are far greater than what they thought. GLOR: A lot of people might be surprised to hear you list the E.U. as a foe before China and Russia. TRUMP: No, I look at them all. Look, E.U. is very difficult, I want to tell you. Maybe the thing that's most difficult -- don't forget, both of my parents were born in E.U. sectors, OK? I mean, my mother was Scotland. My father was Germany. And, you know, I love those countries. I respect the leaders of those countries. But, in a trade sense, they have really taken advantage of us, and many of those countries are in NATO. And they weren't paying their bills. And, you know I, as an example, have a big problem with Germany, because Germany made a pipeline deal with Russia, where they're going to be paying Russia billions and billions of dollars a year for energy. And I say that's not good. That's not fair. You're supposed to be fighting for someone, and then that someone gives billions of dollars to the one that you're guarding against? I think it's ridiculous. So, I let that be also known this time. And I'll tell you what. There is a lot of anger at the fact that Germany is paying Russia billions of dollars. There's a lot of anger. I also think it's a very bad thing for Germany, because it's like, what are they, waving a white flag? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-transcript-face-the-nation-july-15-2018/ xdaunt didn't add anything or fake anything. the full quote makes it even more clear xdaunt's characterization is correct and those disagreeing with him are pushing a narrative that doesn't match the facts in question you lied about him and are continuing to do so partially in order to bash him seems to be exactly the kind of thing that is characterized as unacceptably caustic and, to quote seeker when recently thread-banning danglars, "bullshit" when 'right-wingers' but not to the same degree for everyone else the double standard is extremely obvious and always has been at TL | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Some, and I mean some, conservatives have problems in that thread because of the way approach the thread. Don’t march into the thread, guns blazing, calling the current line of discussion wrong or misinformed. We all have different opinions, don’t approach the thread like you need to disprove a specific narrative and then peace the fuck out. Or don’t be shocked when the people having that discussion all turn on you. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13925 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
there's a weird phenomenon where people in the thread bait themselves into attacking xdaunt like pitbulls. their eyes roll into the back of their skull and they are unable to delatch until the blood rage is over. it tends to make argument difficult. you know, like basic reading comprehension and reasonable interpretation | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 16 2018 08:23 IgnE wrote: seems pretty clear to me that whatever Trump's mental infirmity, he successfully linked "foe" to trade/economics. there's a weird phenomenon where people in the thread bait themselves into attacking xdaunt like pitbulls. their eyes roll into the back of their skull and they are unable to delatch until the blood rage is over. it tends to make argument difficult. you know, like basic reading comprehension and reasonable interpretation Yes, and the main critique against Trump was that he was not 200% clear that he was only talking about economics. That basic diplomacy is about being overwhelming clear due to things like language barriers. And if anyone was reading the comments up, they could have assumed that was the failure in diplomacy folks were talking about. Also, trade, economics and military agression have always been linked. On July 16 2018 01:27 xDaunt wrote: Lol, "to be fair." How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said? The statement looks quite different now in context, doesn't it? #fakenews But seriously, when you say bait, you mean dauntless throwing down for a fight? This post screams “I’m taking all comers, line up please!” You can say that it’s eye rolling that people take the bait. But arguing is fun sometimes. It’s just a problem when people whine about getting dunked on to hard after picking a fight. | ||
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