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On July 16 2018 01:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 00:08 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Just to make it extra clear that he wants to weaken / destroy any alliances with non-dictator-led countries, Trump called the EU an enemy of the US. In fact, when asked what the US's biggest foe currently was, it was the first answer that sprung to mind! What fun! CBS - "I think the European Union is a foe," Trump says ahead of Putin meeting in Helsinki
In an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor Jeff Glor in Scotland on Saturday, President Trump named the European Union -- comprising some of America's oldest allies -- when asked to identify his "biggest foe globally right now."
To be fair, he does qualify it somewhat but illustrating that he doesn't actually understand the word foe quite as most people do, but using some idiocy to excuse a lot of assholery is growing old real fast. Lol, "to be fair." How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said? Show nested quote +"Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive," Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland.
"I respect the leaders of those countries. But, in a trade sense, they've really taken advantage of us and many of those countries are in NATO and they weren't paying their bills," he added. The statement looks quite different now in context, doesn't it? #fakenews
I mean, the non-bolded part honestly is all you need. The bolding veers off into insanity with the idea that countries in the EU outside NATO are somehow de facto our foes or that people in NATO who spend less than 2% of their GDP on the military are somehow our foes economically.
That said, I'll forgive Trump because he has on multiple occasions demonstrated he thinks the 2% is actually some sort of money given to NATO or something (I believe at one point the idea of presenting them a bill came up), so it's quite a bit rooted in stupidity.
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On July 16 2018 01:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 00:08 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Just to make it extra clear that he wants to weaken / destroy any alliances with non-dictator-led countries, Trump called the EU an enemy of the US. In fact, when asked what the US's biggest foe currently was, it was the first answer that sprung to mind! What fun! CBS - "I think the European Union is a foe," Trump says ahead of Putin meeting in Helsinki
In an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor Jeff Glor in Scotland on Saturday, President Trump named the European Union -- comprising some of America's oldest allies -- when asked to identify his "biggest foe globally right now."
To be fair, he does qualify it somewhat but illustrating that he doesn't actually understand the word foe quite as most people do, but using some idiocy to excuse a lot of assholery is growing old real fast. Lol, "to be fair." How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said? Show nested quote +"Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive," Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland.
"I respect the leaders of those countries. But, in a trade sense, they've really taken advantage of us and many of those countries are in NATO and they weren't paying their bills," he added. The statement looks quite different now in context, doesn't it? #fakenews
Not really. Adding in fake trade / NATO talk doesn't make it better.
#xDauntisfakenews
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 16 2018 01:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 00:08 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Just to make it extra clear that he wants to weaken / destroy any alliances with non-dictator-led countries, Trump called the EU an enemy of the US. In fact, when asked what the US's biggest foe currently was, it was the first answer that sprung to mind! What fun! CBS - "I think the European Union is a foe," Trump says ahead of Putin meeting in Helsinki
In an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor Jeff Glor in Scotland on Saturday, President Trump named the European Union -- comprising some of America's oldest allies -- when asked to identify his "biggest foe globally right now."
To be fair, he does qualify it somewhat but illustrating that he doesn't actually understand the word foe quite as most people do, but using some idiocy to excuse a lot of assholery is growing old real fast. Lol, "to be fair." How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said? Show nested quote +"Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive," Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland.
"I respect the leaders of those countries. But, in a trade sense, they've really taken advantage of us and many of those countries are in NATO and they weren't paying their bills," he added. The statement looks quite different now in context, doesn't it? #fakenews
CBS - "I think the European Union is a foe," Trump says ahead of Putin meeting in Helsinki
The actual transcript and the question before for context. With no bullshit xdaunt editing out of context. There's another question and answer beforehand as well if anyone is interested.
JEFF GLOR: The Russians who were indicted, would you ask Putin to- to send them here?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well I might. I hadn't thought of that. But I certainly, I'll be asking about it. But again, this was during the Obama administration. They were doing whatever it was during the Obama administration. And I heard that they were trying, or people were trying, to hack into the RNC too. The Republican National Committee. But we had much better defenses. I've been told that by a number of people. We had much better defenses, so they couldn't. I think the DNC should be ashamed of themselves for allowing themselves to be hacked. They had bad defenses and they were able to be hacked. But I heard they were trying to hack the Republicans too. But, and this may be wrong, but they had much stronger defenses.
JEFF GLOR: Who is your biggest competitor? Your biggest foe globally right now?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now you wouldn't think of the European Union but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive. They want to do well and we want to do well. And we're starting to do well. You see what's going on we have best unemployment numbers probably that we've ever had. Black unemployment is the lowest level in history. Hispanic unemployment the lowest level in history, Jeff. Women unemployment lowest in 66 years. Our numbers are great. Our GDP numbers are far greater than what they thought.
JEFF GLOR: A lot of people might be surprised to hear you list the EU as a foe before China and Russia?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: No I look at them all look, EU is very difficult. I-I want to tell you. Maybe the thing that is most difficult -- don't forget both my parents were born in EU sectors okay? I mean my mother was Scotland, my father was Germany. And -- you know I love those countries. I respect the leaders of those countries. But -- in a trade sense, they've really taken advantage of us and many of those countries are in NATO and they weren't paying their bills and, you know, as an example a big problem with Germany. Because Germany made a pipeline deal with Russia. Where they're going to be paying Russia billions and billions of dollars a year for energy and I say that's not good, that's not fair. You're supposed to be fighting for someone and then that someone gives billions of dollars to the one you're, you know, guarding against, I think it's ridiculous so I let that be known also this time. I'll tell you what, there's a lot of anger at the fact that Germany is paying Russia billions of dollars. There's a lot of anger. I also think it's a very bad thing for Germany. Because it's like -- what are they waving a white flag?
MARGARET BRENNAN: More of Jeff's interview with President Trump in Scotland will air tomorrow on "CBS This Morning" and later on the "CBS Evening News," as well as our digital network, CBSN.
xdaunt claims to put comment in context, by editing out the actual context.
#xDauntisfakenews
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You do realize that the stuff that you added provides the exact same context as what I quoted, right?
And for the record, I didn’t take anything out of context. I simply quoted the article, because the article had everything that was necessary.
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You wrote How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said?" and you went ahead and didn't post the entirety of the available transcript, instead selectively cutting out parts.
...and then the sheer hypocrisy to add #fakenews at the end of the post.
Just so you know, the statement doesn't look any different in context, it just make it worse. At first I thought he was taken out of context, because who would be so crazy to actually think that, and now that it is is full context, it's still terrible.
Also classic xdoublespeak. "I didn't take anything out of context"; it's only "post the entirety of what he said", whilst somehow" stuff that you added" happens to be in between what xdoublespeak wrote?
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On July 16 2018 01:34 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 01:27 xDaunt wrote:On July 16 2018 00:08 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Just to make it extra clear that he wants to weaken / destroy any alliances with non-dictator-led countries, Trump called the EU an enemy of the US. In fact, when asked what the US's biggest foe currently was, it was the first answer that sprung to mind! What fun! CBS - "I think the European Union is a foe," Trump says ahead of Putin meeting in Helsinki
In an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor Jeff Glor in Scotland on Saturday, President Trump named the European Union -- comprising some of America's oldest allies -- when asked to identify his "biggest foe globally right now."
To be fair, he does qualify it somewhat but illustrating that he doesn't actually understand the word foe quite as most people do, but using some idiocy to excuse a lot of assholery is growing old real fast. Lol, "to be fair." How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said? "Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive," Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland.
"I respect the leaders of those countries. But, in a trade sense, they've really taken advantage of us and many of those countries are in NATO and they weren't paying their bills," he added. The statement looks quite different now in context, doesn't it? #fakenews Yeah. It doesn't look insane anymore, just stupid.
xDaunt, I think this quote above answers your question better.
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-union
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html
The reason why it's stupid is because A) the EU is our second largest trading partner, with China being #1 and B) We have a larger deficit with China by 3x... The reasoning for him calling out EU here as a foe is ridiculous when we ended up having a surplus of $54.8Billion with EU, and $38Billion with China by the end of 2016...
What's the reasoning? How are we "getting screwed" here?
I don't know if I actually need an answer because in the end of the day, calling out the EU as a "foe" wasn't necessary...
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On July 16 2018 03:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:You wrote Show nested quote +How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said?" and you went ahead and didn't post the entirety of the available transcript, instead selectively cutting out parts. ...and then the sheer hypocrisy to add #fakenews at the end of the post. Just so you know, the statement doesn't look any different in context, it just make it worse. At first I thought he was taken out of context, because who would be so crazy to actually think that, and now that it is is full context, it is even worse.
So let me get this straight. Ciaus_Dronu posts that Trump says that the EU is a foe without providing any context for what Trump said. I add the part of the article where it's clear that Trump is talking about EU being a foe in terms of being an economic competitor and how he dislikes the fact that the EU is skimping on its defense budget in light of some of the trade advantages that it has with the US. You then add more of the transcript that makes it even more clear that Trump is talking about the EU has being a foe in economic/trade terms, and yet you still accuse me of taking stuff out of context. Oh, and then you flame for it as well.
I'm sure at some point it is going to dawn on you how foolish your post was.
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yet another sign that Trump has dementia.
from that article, a direct statement by trump:
"Maybe the thing that is most difficult -- don't forget both my parents were born in EU sectors okay? I mean my mother was Scotland, my father was Germany. "
Trump's father was not born in germany; he was born in New York.
it's his grandfather that was from Germany.
I don't know many healthy people who get their parents' birth country wrong; not even by accident
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On July 16 2018 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 01:34 m4ini wrote:On July 16 2018 01:27 xDaunt wrote:On July 16 2018 00:08 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Just to make it extra clear that he wants to weaken / destroy any alliances with non-dictator-led countries, Trump called the EU an enemy of the US. In fact, when asked what the US's biggest foe currently was, it was the first answer that sprung to mind! What fun! CBS - "I think the European Union is a foe," Trump says ahead of Putin meeting in Helsinki
In an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor Jeff Glor in Scotland on Saturday, President Trump named the European Union -- comprising some of America's oldest allies -- when asked to identify his "biggest foe globally right now."
To be fair, he does qualify it somewhat but illustrating that he doesn't actually understand the word foe quite as most people do, but using some idiocy to excuse a lot of assholery is growing old real fast. Lol, "to be fair." How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said? "Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive," Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland.
"I respect the leaders of those countries. But, in a trade sense, they've really taken advantage of us and many of those countries are in NATO and they weren't paying their bills," he added. The statement looks quite different now in context, doesn't it? #fakenews Yeah. It doesn't look insane anymore, just stupid. xDaunt, I think this quote above answers your question better. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-unionhttps://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.htmlThe reason why it's stupid is because A) the EU is our second largest trading partner, with China being #1 and B) We have a larger deficit with China by 3x... The reasoning for him calling out EU here as a foe is ridiculous when we ended up having a surplus of $54.8Billion with EU, and $38Billion with China by the end of 2016... What's the reasoning? How are we "getting screwed" here? I don't know if I actually need an answer because in the end of the day, calling out the EU as a "foe" wasn't necessary...
The EU isn't as high on my list for renegotiating trade deals as China. If I was Trump, I'd focus on China first. But he thinks that he can get a better deal with the EU at the same time, so let's see what happens.
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Maybe his farther was an actual Nazi German that says he was born in "NY" with a fake birth certificate. At this point, I can believe it with his attack on Obama about his birth certificate since these "new age conservatives" tend to believe in anything too...
+ Show Spoiler +I'm not being serious about the above, but that's what it literally feels like when I read something these "right wing" posters on FB post something.
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On July 16 2018 03:32 zlefin wrote:
yet another sign that Trump has dementia.
from that article, a direct statement by trump:
"Maybe the thing that is most difficult -- don't forget both my parents were born in EU sectors okay? I mean my mother was Scotland, my father was Germany. "
Trump's father was not born in germany; he was born in New York.
it's his grandfather that was from Germany.
I don't know many healthy people who get their parents' birth country wrong; not even by accident
It's bonus bad because you can't really maintain he was talking about grandparents because he's right about where his mother was born and it's a clear "both" statement-none of his grandparent pairs fit that description either.
But I'm sure it's just 4D chess or something rather than losing track of things no functional person should. Maybe a sign that he believes it takes two generations to change where people are "born."
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On July 16 2018 03:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:On July 16 2018 01:34 m4ini wrote:On July 16 2018 01:27 xDaunt wrote:On July 16 2018 00:08 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Just to make it extra clear that he wants to weaken / destroy any alliances with non-dictator-led countries, Trump called the EU an enemy of the US. In fact, when asked what the US's biggest foe currently was, it was the first answer that sprung to mind! What fun! CBS - "I think the European Union is a foe," Trump says ahead of Putin meeting in Helsinki
In an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor Jeff Glor in Scotland on Saturday, President Trump named the European Union -- comprising some of America's oldest allies -- when asked to identify his "biggest foe globally right now."
To be fair, he does qualify it somewhat but illustrating that he doesn't actually understand the word foe quite as most people do, but using some idiocy to excuse a lot of assholery is growing old real fast. Lol, "to be fair." How about instead of giving a half-assed qualification when quoting him out of context, you post the entirety of what he said? "Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive," Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland.
"I respect the leaders of those countries. But, in a trade sense, they've really taken advantage of us and many of those countries are in NATO and they weren't paying their bills," he added. The statement looks quite different now in context, doesn't it? #fakenews Yeah. It doesn't look insane anymore, just stupid. xDaunt, I think this quote above answers your question better. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-unionhttps://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.htmlThe reason why it's stupid is because A) the EU is our second largest trading partner, with China being #1 and B) We have a larger deficit with China by 3x... The reasoning for him calling out EU here as a foe is ridiculous when we ended up having a surplus of $54.8Billion with EU, and $38Billion with China by the end of 2016... What's the reasoning? How are we "getting screwed" here? I don't know if I actually need an answer because in the end of the day, calling out the EU as a "foe" wasn't necessary... The EU isn't as high on my list for renegotiating trade deals as China. If I was Trump, I'd focus on China first. But he thinks that he can get a better deal with the EU at the same time, so let's see what happens.
No, he doesn't. He thinks he can get a different deal with the EU that he can then sell as 'better' to all the suckers who support him.
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I should stop reading the news during the breaks in my roadtrip. It's not healthy, but godfuckingdamn everything at this fucking point.
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Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies.
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On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies.
The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters?
I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ.
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On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ.
And Rand Paul saying the Russians stealing voter data and messing with out elections isn’t a big deal. Freaks out the US government doing anything for years, but now Rand Paul isn’t concerned with protecting US citizens.
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On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ.
The most baffling to me is how around 45% of the US population is still behind him after all this bullshit he keeps doing.
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On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ.
you can't think of one because there hasn't been a president this bad at basic diplomacy in the post WWII era; probably not prior to that either unless we go back a really long way; and maybe not ever.
nouar -> there's explanations for why they still support if you want to hear them (i.e. the psych/sociological processes that lead to people still supporting him)
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On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ.
Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though.
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On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though.
it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her.
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