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On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ.
1. I wish Trump was more competent.
2. Trump is evil and should be stopped at all costs
Pick one.
Also, being rude to the queen and the prime minister is kinda funny, and certainly shouldn’t be a big deal.
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On July 16 2018 04:55 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. 1. I wish Trump was more competent. 2. Trump is evil and should be stopped at all costs Pick one. Also, being rude to the queen and the prime minister is kinda funny, and certainly shouldn’t be a big deal.
You can definitely pick both, and you can definitely be embarrassed at how Trump doesn't know how to act professionally and diplomatically as a world leader.
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On July 16 2018 04:55 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. 1. I wish Trump was more competent. 2. Trump is evil and should be stopped at all costs Pick one. Also, being rude to the queen and the prime minister is kinda funny, and certainly shouldn’t be a big deal.
No, it shouldn't be a big deal to be rude to the two most important political figures in a country.
I'm going to hope you were being sarcastic.
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On July 16 2018 04:55 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. 1. I wish Trump was more competent. 2. Trump is evil and should be stopped at all costs Pick one. Also, being rude to the queen and the prime minister is kinda funny, and certainly shouldn’t be a big deal.
Isolated, maybe they wouldn't be a big deal. Their predictability and consistency is a big deal.
Making a 92 year-old woman walk around you. That actually does blow my mind, but I have a 95 year-old grandma. My 10 year-old nephew has more awareness and consideration than Trump.
When a 90 year-old woman is on the path, you're either constantly offering her your arm, even if she doesn't want it at the moment, or at least get clear the fuck out of the way. Basic fucking manners. It's another case of our President looking like he was raised in some strange fucking ways. In all his years of "high class", no one fucking told him how to treat the elderly? Even now that he is one? This fucking asshole can't even walk a golf course by himself, but he just cuts in front of a 92 year-old woman while she is walking?
The fact that it's the fucking Queen of England, who is perhaps the epitome of political etiquette, well... I guess nothing matters.
If Obama did that shit, which no one could imagine him doing, he'd be crucified. Michelle Obama holding the Queen's arm was, in fact, a wonderful sight. The difference in character between these First families...
Then again, I forgot, we don't care about democratic alliances anymore, and we're working towards establishing a new axis of evil. MAGA. Hail Hydra.
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On July 16 2018 05:29 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:55 Grumbels wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. 1. I wish Trump was more competent. 2. Trump is evil and should be stopped at all costs Pick one. Also, being rude to the queen and the prime minister is kinda funny, and certainly shouldn’t be a big deal. Isolated, maybe they wouldn't be a big deal. Their predictability and consistency is a big deal. Making a 92 year-old woman walk around you. That actually does blow my mind, but I have a 95 year-old grandma. My 10 year-old nephew has more awareness and consideration than Trump. When a 90 year-old woman is on the path, you're either constantly offering her your arm, even if she doesn't want it at the moment, or at least get clear the fuck out of the way. Basic fucking manners. It's another case of our President looking like he was raised in some strange fucking ways. In all his years of "high class", no one fucking told him how to treat the elderly? Even now that he is one? This fucking asshole can't even walk a golf course by himself, but he just cuts in front of a 92 year-old woman while she is walking? The fact that it's the fucking Queen of England, who is perhaps the epitome of political etiquette, well... I guess nothing matters. Walking behind her is submissive. This is unacceptable.
Walking side by side is ok. But he doesn't know where she is going to he ends up in front.
Once in front he cannot step back because that is showing weakness. So he just stands there, and he can't turn around to look what she is doing because that, again, is showing weakness.
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On July 16 2018 05:25 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:55 Grumbels wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. 1. I wish Trump was more competent. 2. Trump is evil and should be stopped at all costs Pick one. Also, being rude to the queen and the prime minister is kinda funny, and certainly shouldn’t be a big deal. No, it shouldn't be a big deal to be rude to the two most important political figures in a country. I'm going to hope you were being sarcastic.
I just don't see how it's relevant and why we should care. Politics is about more than personal relationships between the dimwitted president that nobody takes seriously and the 92 y/o queen with little political power. Yeah, it's rude and he shouldn't do it, but I also think that it's a distraction to care about whether the queen (an unelected aristocrat with vast personal wealth) is properly served.
It's like the news story the other day about how Mark Rutte said "no" to Donald Trump, and the Dutch media obsessed about how we were suddenly relevant as a country and how decisive and cool he was. It's the sort of obsession with personal relationships that should only matter to dimwitted political journalists who can't process politics other than by relating it to who is dating who during high school.
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On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her.
This myopia will result in a 2020 loss lol
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On July 16 2018 05:45 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 05:29 Leporello wrote:On July 16 2018 04:55 Grumbels wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. 1. I wish Trump was more competent. 2. Trump is evil and should be stopped at all costs Pick one. Also, being rude to the queen and the prime minister is kinda funny, and certainly shouldn’t be a big deal. Isolated, maybe they wouldn't be a big deal. Their predictability and consistency is a big deal. Making a 92 year-old woman walk around you. That actually does blow my mind, but I have a 95 year-old grandma. My 10 year-old nephew has more awareness and consideration than Trump. When a 90 year-old woman is on the path, you're either constantly offering her your arm, even if she doesn't want it at the moment, or at least get clear the fuck out of the way. Basic fucking manners. It's another case of our President looking like he was raised in some strange fucking ways. In all his years of "high class", no one fucking told him how to treat the elderly? Even now that he is one? This fucking asshole can't even walk a golf course by himself, but he just cuts in front of a 92 year-old woman while she is walking? The fact that it's the fucking Queen of England, who is perhaps the epitome of political etiquette, well... I guess nothing matters. Walking behind her is submissive. This is unacceptable. Walking side by side is ok. But he doesn't know where she is going to he ends up in front. Once in front he cannot step back because that is showing weakness. So he just stands there, and he can't turn around to look what she is doing because that, again, is showing weakness.
No. You don't even have to think about any of that. "showing weakness". It's a 90 year-old woman. Have you ever walked with one? You don't walk in front of them. It's just that simple.
It's not "showing weakness" to turn around. This is the attitude that Trump takes. Everything is a "power play". No, that's pathetic, you're just walking with a 90 year-old beloved Queen. Look after her. It's just that fucking simple.
You don't look "stronger" for having not turned around, you look like an asshole.
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On July 16 2018 05:48 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 05:45 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2018 05:29 Leporello wrote:On July 16 2018 04:55 Grumbels wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. 1. I wish Trump was more competent. 2. Trump is evil and should be stopped at all costs Pick one. Also, being rude to the queen and the prime minister is kinda funny, and certainly shouldn’t be a big deal. Isolated, maybe they wouldn't be a big deal. Their predictability and consistency is a big deal. Making a 92 year-old woman walk around you. That actually does blow my mind, but I have a 95 year-old grandma. My 10 year-old nephew has more awareness and consideration than Trump. When a 90 year-old woman is on the path, you're either constantly offering her your arm, even if she doesn't want it at the moment, or at least get clear the fuck out of the way. Basic fucking manners. It's another case of our President looking like he was raised in some strange fucking ways. In all his years of "high class", no one fucking told him how to treat the elderly? Even now that he is one? This fucking asshole can't even walk a golf course by himself, but he just cuts in front of a 92 year-old woman while she is walking? The fact that it's the fucking Queen of England, who is perhaps the epitome of political etiquette, well... I guess nothing matters. Walking behind her is submissive. This is unacceptable. Walking side by side is ok. But he doesn't know where she is going to he ends up in front. Once in front he cannot step back because that is showing weakness. So he just stands there, and he can't turn around to look what she is doing because that, again, is showing weakness. No. You don't even have to think about any of that. It's a 90 year-old woman. Have you ever walked with one? You don't walk in front of them. It's just that simple. Trump must appear strong. its like the n1 thing going on in his head. Taking care of a 90y old women does not override the inherent need to look strong.
Any normal person would not have this priority list but Trump is hardly a normal person.
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On July 16 2018 05:46 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her. This myopia will result in a 2020 loss lol
it's not myopia. I recognize that people have unreasonable standards/opinions, and we need to account for their irrational stupidity better.
it does not change the truth of my statements. for that you'd need to actually contest them.
also, there's no good reason to use "lol" there. it just makes you look bad.
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Sorry, man, I'm getting defensive with you, thought you were defending him, as opposed to explaining him.
Yes, I get his "reasoning". Ugh.
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On July 16 2018 05:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:55 Grumbels wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. 1. I wish Trump was more competent. 2. Trump is evil and should be stopped at all costs Pick one. Also, being rude to the queen and the prime minister is kinda funny, and certainly shouldn’t be a big deal. You can definitely pick both, and you can definitely be embarrassed at how Trump doesn't know how to act professionally and diplomatically as a world leader.
World leaders are almost all psychopaths that will sell you out in a moment, why should we care about them? This whole notion of a concordance of nations that meet each other in fair diplomacy is a fantasy. That's not how the international order works. What actually happens is that typically the USA goes to some other country and tells them "do exactly as we say or else we will destroy you", while murdering or sidelining pesky opposition. And then you can have a friendly and well-intentioned person like Obama to be the public face, or an imbecile like Trump, and it does matter. But ultimately they both start from the premise of US hegemony, and they both represent US corporate interests, and they both have the US military at their disposal which has overthrown about two dozen democracies in the last hundred years.
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On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her.
Hillary is corrupt as fuck:
1. Clinton Foundation
2. Leaked e-mails
Hillary insults a large mass of voters ("deplorables"). It's ok for me to say it, but I'm not running for a president. Under normal circumstances, she shouldn't even be a candidate. Just let Bernie Sanders run and all will be fine.
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On July 16 2018 06:20 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her. Hillary is corrupt as fuck: 1. Clinton Foundation 2. Leaked e-mails Hillary insults a large mass of voters ("deplorables"). It's ok for me to say it, but I'm not running for a president. Under normal circumstances, she shouldn't even be a candidate. She only had a chance to win because she was against Trump. If you put her against someone normal, e.g. Obama or Bernie Sanders, she doesn't stand a chance. Of course, the latter lost because the democratic party is corrupt as well. Bernie Sanders would have destroyed Trump. Let him run in 2020.  Edit: I forgot her role in the Middle East.
Sadly, still better than this dumpster fire we started by electing Trump.
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On July 16 2018 06:32 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 06:20 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her. Hillary is corrupt as fuck: 1. Clinton Foundation 2. Leaked e-mails Hillary insults a large mass of voters ("deplorables"). It's ok for me to say it, but I'm not running for a president. Under normal circumstances, she shouldn't even be a candidate. She only had a chance to win because she was against Trump. If you put her against someone normal, e.g. Obama or Bernie Sanders, she doesn't stand a chance. Of course, the latter lost because the democratic party is corrupt as well. Bernie Sanders would have destroyed Trump. Let him run in 2020. Edit: I forgot her role in the Middle East. Sadly, still better than this dumpster fire we started by electing Trump.
Yes, unfortunately. If you had elected a donkey, the donkey would be a much better president for 4 years.
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On July 16 2018 06:20 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her. Hillary is corrupt as fuck: 1. Clinton Foundation 2. Leaked e-mails Hillary insults a large mass of voters ("deplorables"). It's ok for me to say it, but I'm not running for a president. Under normal circumstances, she shouldn't even be a candidate. Just let Bernie Sanders run and all will be fine.
yep, as I thought, no legitimate reason, just a bunch of stuff that has been thoroughly addressed and countered many many times in this thread and elsewhere.
i'd estimate it's at least two dozen times those points have been countered in the tl threads alone; so I see little reason to rehash them, as you should've already seen them disproven/addressed many times and simply refused to accept it.
and you may complain; well, tough. there's no reason for me to accept as legitimate reasons that have been thoroughly countered on so many occasions unless you can address the counterpoints. and no reason for me to believe you're willing to genuinely and openly consider the possibility you're wrong.
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On July 16 2018 05:51 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 05:46 kollin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her. This myopia will result in a 2020 loss lol it's not myopia. I recognize that people have unreasonable standards/opinions, and we need to account for their irrational stupidity better. it does not change the truth of my statements. for that you'd need to actually contest them. also, there's no good reason to use "lol" there. it just makes you look bad.
What does unreasonable opinions even mean though? Is it unreasonable to look at Hillary and think that she's the epitome of political establishment, neoliberal, centrism bullshit? That her platform, while preferable to Trump's, can only engender Trump and Trump-like figures? The hate against Hillary being unjustified forgets the role her politics has played not only in perpetrating the worst diseases afflicting America at the moment, but hollowing out the only real opposition to these diseases.
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On July 16 2018 06:20 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her. Hillary is corrupt as fuck: 1. Clinton Foundation 2. Leaked e-mails Hillary insults a large mass of voters ("deplorables"). It's ok for me to say it, but I'm not running for a president. Under normal circumstances, she shouldn't even be a candidate. Just let Bernie Sanders run and all will be fine.
Hillary's corruption and inappropriate remarks are laughable compared to Trump's, not to mention that Clinton was actually a legitimately qualified candidate with a lifetime of relevant job experience, and someone who could actually speak in complete sentences.
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On July 16 2018 06:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 06:20 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her. Hillary is corrupt as fuck: 1. Clinton Foundation 2. Leaked e-mails Hillary insults a large mass of voters ("deplorables"). It's ok for me to say it, but I'm not running for a president. Under normal circumstances, she shouldn't even be a candidate. Just let Bernie Sanders run and all will be fine. Hillary's corruption and inappropriate remarks are laughable compared to Trump's, not to mention that Clinton was actually a legitimately qualified candidate with a lifetime of relevant job experience, and someone who could actually speak in complete sentences.
He literally said he'd still vote for Hillary over Trump, but only because she's not Trump. All you've done is affirm his point.
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On July 16 2018 06:49 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 05:51 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 05:46 kollin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:49 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 04:45 sc-darkness wrote:On July 16 2018 04:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 16 2018 04:01 Plansix wrote:
Like how Trump is saying the EU is our enemy right before meeting with Putin? Always a good sign for our allies. The entire clusterfuck that is his trip to the UK? Like ignoring basic etiquette with the Queen or telling May to "sue" the EU, for starters? I just can't. I literally can't think of another president in the post WWII era that's botched even basic fucking diplomacy like a fucking PR/goodwill visit this badly. A goddamn cardboard cutout would actually be fucking better, Jesus Christ. Tell democrats to have a more electable candidate next time. The only reason I'd vote for Hillary is that she's not Trump. That's really low level democracy though. it's still more than enough reason; given how vast the difference was. it does not in any way justify the choice of trump. and ofc it remains the case that most of the hate against hillary is unjustified. I assume, as wtih most people, you don't have an actual legitimate basis for your dislike of her. This myopia will result in a 2020 loss lol it's not myopia. I recognize that people have unreasonable standards/opinions, and we need to account for their irrational stupidity better. it does not change the truth of my statements. for that you'd need to actually contest them. also, there's no good reason to use "lol" there. it just makes you look bad. What does unreasonable opinions even mean though? Is it unreasonable to look at Hillary and think that she's the epitome of political establishment, neoliberal, centrism bullshit? That her platform, while preferable to Trump's, can only engender Trump and Trump-like figures? The hate against Hillary being unjustified forgets the role her politics has played not only in perpetrating the worst diseases afflicting America at the moment, but hollowing out the only real opposition to these diseases.
unreasonable opinions means ones not based on reason; ones that ignore facts and reality.
that there may be legitimate reasons to dislike/hate hillary doesn't change that most of the actual hatred of hillary is unreasonable.
as to your supposed actual reasons; we'd need to look at them more specifically to see how reasonable they are.
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