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On July 16 2018 15:44 Leporello wrote:
"and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!"
He's not even blaming the "witch hunt" on the worsened relationship, as much as the "foolishness". Crimea? I guess the U.S.'s fault? All that "years of foolishness"? What?
So, yeah. In about two years I expect the average Republican household to be speaking Russian at this rate.
The President just blamed America for Russian aggression. I think? I, uhm. IDK. Maybe the "Deep State" wrote this tweet? What's the excuse here? I know it gets old saying it: but this is fucking crazy.
Didn't he officially blame Obama for Crimea?
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On July 16 2018 15:44 Leporello wrote:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1018738368753078273" and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!" He's not even blaming the "witch hunt" on the worsened relationship, as much as the "foolishness". Crimea? I guess the U.S.'s fault? All that "years of foolishness"? What? So, yeah. In about two years I expect the average Republican household to be speaking Russian at this rate. The President just blamed America for Russian aggression. I think? I, uhm. IDK. Maybe the "Deep State" wrote this tweet? What's the excuse here? I know it gets old saying it: but this is fucking crazy. edit: I would argue that for a President to say such a thing is actually open treason, and not Trump's first. "or in adhering to their [the US's] enemies, giving them aid and comfort" is the law for treason. He's done that many times. Perhaps never so obtusely as this, although yukking with Kislyak and Putin's friends over firing the FBI director in the Oval Office comes pretty close. Actually this comes second to that Oval Office meeting. If the GOP had any actual patriotism, a call for impeachment hearings should've happened on that reporting, over a year ago. Instead, they tried, and largely succeeded, in sweeping it under the rug.
You seriously want someone to be convicted for treason for a tweet critical of the USA? And you’re complaining that the GOP should be more patriotic? The last spell of USA extreme patriotism led to endless wars in Iraq and Afganistan.
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No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country.
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On July 16 2018 16:19 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 15:44 Leporello wrote:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1018738368753078273" and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!" He's not even blaming the "witch hunt" on the worsened relationship, as much as the "foolishness". Crimea? I guess the U.S.'s fault? All that "years of foolishness"? What? So, yeah. In about two years I expect the average Republican household to be speaking Russian at this rate. The President just blamed America for Russian aggression. I think? I, uhm. IDK. Maybe the "Deep State" wrote this tweet? What's the excuse here? I know it gets old saying it: but this is fucking crazy. Didn't he officially blame Obama for Crimea?
Well now it's my fault, too.
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On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country.
The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea.
Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone.
This is exactly what people are talking about when they say that the media has gone insane over Trump. All perspective is being lost in the quest to be rid of a guy who, lets be honest, isn't as bad as the guy who might take over from him.
Sometimes principles have to guide you, in this case I would recommend looking at the practicalities.
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On July 16 2018 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country. The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea. Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone.
That is a false equivalence fallacy. the presidents twitter has been stated by the white house to be his official form of communication as the president. That is different from average joe saying things on twitter. Holding trump accountable for the things he says on twitter, after the white house had stated that his twitter is a source of his official statements, would not at all lead to regular people being tried for treason for talking shit on twitter.
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On July 16 2018 18:32 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country. The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea. Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone. That is a false equivalence fallacy. the presidents twitter has been stated by the white house to be his official form of communication as the president. That is different from average joe saying things on twitter. Holding trump accountable for the things he says on twitter, after the white house had stated that his twitter is a source of his official statements, would not at all lead to regular people being tried for treason for talking shit on twitter.
This is a fair point I guess.
Either way, its a fairly tenuous argument that what he said constitutes treason, Its just an interpretation of past events.
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On July 16 2018 18:35 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 18:32 hunts wrote:On July 16 2018 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country. The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea. Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone. That is a false equivalence fallacy. the presidents twitter has been stated by the white house to be his official form of communication as the president. That is different from average joe saying things on twitter. Holding trump accountable for the things he says on twitter, after the white house had stated that his twitter is a source of his official statements, would not at all lead to regular people being tried for treason for talking shit on twitter. This is a fair point I guess. Either way, its a fairly tenuous argument that what he said constitutes treason, Its just an interpretation of past events.
As much as I want him gone I would have to agree that that tweet is not treason, just a very stupid and harmful thing for him to say. But maybe someone who is more knowledgeable than me could weigh in on whether or not that could constitute as such.
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On July 16 2018 15:44 Leporello wrote:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1018738368753078273" and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!" He's not even blaming the "witch hunt" on the worsened relationship, as much as the "foolishness". Crimea? I guess the U.S.'s fault? All that "years of foolishness"? What? So, yeah. In about two years I expect the average Republican household to be speaking Russian at this rate. The President just blamed America for Russian aggression. I think? I, uhm. IDK. Maybe the "Deep State" wrote this tweet? What's the excuse here? I know it gets old saying it: but this is fucking crazy. edit: I would argue that for a President to say such a thing is actually open treason, and not Trump's first. "or in adhering to their [the US's] enemies, giving them aid and comfort" is the law for treason. He's done that many times. Perhaps never so obtusely as this, although yukking with Kislyak and Putin's friends over firing the FBI director in the Oval Office comes pretty close. Actually this comes second to that Oval Office meeting. If the GOP had any actual patriotism, a call for impeachment hearings should've happened on that reporting, over a year ago. Instead, they tried, and largely succeeded, in sweeping it under the rug.
Nah. Crimea is Obamas fault, that much was established and confirmed by dauntless.
Maybe i should prepare a nuclear shelter, because if the relations are worse than they were in the cold war, you know, cuban missile crisis, submarine "wars", all that jazz..
Must be really bad then right?
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On July 16 2018 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country. The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea. Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone. This is exactly what people are talking about when they say that the media has gone insane over Trump. All perspective is being lost in the quest to be rid of a guy who, lets be honest, isn't as bad as the guy who might take over from him. Sometimes principles have to guide you, in this case I would recommend looking at the practicalities.
the next in line is Pence, who isn't nearly as bad as Trump. are you talking about some other "guy who might take over after him"?
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On July 16 2018 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country. The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea. Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone. This is exactly what people are talking about when they say that the media has gone insane over Trump. All perspective is being lost in the quest to be rid of a guy who, lets be honest, isn't as bad as the guy who might take over from him. Sometimes principles have to guide you, in this case I would recommend looking at the practicalities.
There's a more important practicality at work here: The President should be held to a higher standard of behaviour than your drunken neighbour at the end of a nine hour bender.
His behaviour reflects on the USA as a whole, and your entire country is denigrated by what he does on twitter.
That seems to warrant a more stringent attitude towards it, no?
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On July 16 2018 20:25 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country. The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea. Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone. This is exactly what people are talking about when they say that the media has gone insane over Trump. All perspective is being lost in the quest to be rid of a guy who, lets be honest, isn't as bad as the guy who might take over from him. Sometimes principles have to guide you, in this case I would recommend looking at the practicalities. the next in line is Pence, who isn't nearly as bad as Trump. are you talking about some other "guy who might take over after him"?
Let me tell you, as someone who is thoroughly done with Trump after everything, I'm also not thrilled at the hypothetical of Pence taking his place. He would only serve to perpetuate Christian white male privilege, and would probably be far better at getting repugnant policies to slip through the net. If there's one bit of silver lining with Trump's idiocy, it's that he doesn't know how to get much of anything done.
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On July 16 2018 20:52 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 20:25 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country. The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea. Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone. This is exactly what people are talking about when they say that the media has gone insane over Trump. All perspective is being lost in the quest to be rid of a guy who, lets be honest, isn't as bad as the guy who might take over from him. Sometimes principles have to guide you, in this case I would recommend looking at the practicalities. the next in line is Pence, who isn't nearly as bad as Trump. are you talking about some other "guy who might take over after him"? Let me tell you, as someone who is thoroughly done with Trump after everything, I'm also not thrilled at the hypothetical of Pence taking his place. He would only serve to perpetuate Christian white male privilege, and would probably be far better at getting repugnant policies to slip through the net. If there's one bit of silver lining with Trump's idiocy, it's that he doesn't know how to get much of anything done.
I'm not thrilled with it either; but I stand by my point that he's still far better than Trump. are you disputing that point, or just noting your general concerns/problems with him?
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On July 16 2018 20:52 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 20:25 zlefin wrote:On July 16 2018 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country. The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea. Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone. This is exactly what people are talking about when they say that the media has gone insane over Trump. All perspective is being lost in the quest to be rid of a guy who, lets be honest, isn't as bad as the guy who might take over from him. Sometimes principles have to guide you, in this case I would recommend looking at the practicalities. the next in line is Pence, who isn't nearly as bad as Trump. are you talking about some other "guy who might take over after him"? Let me tell you, as someone who is thoroughly done with Trump after everything, I'm also not thrilled at the hypothetical of Pence taking his place. He would only serve to perpetuate Christian white male privilege, and would probably be far better at getting repugnant policies to slip through the net. If there's one bit of silver lining with Trump's idiocy, it's that he doesn't know how to get much of anything done.
Pence is unquestionably worse. Not only does he support (at least nominally) virtually everything Trump does he's also got (what can now be seen as completely performative) the whole maliciously delusional Christian thing going.
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On July 16 2018 20:36 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 16 2018 17:44 Leporello wrote:
No, I want impeachment hearings.
And the "it's just a tweet" thing doesn't work for me. He uses it, silly as it is, as an official platform. Maybe because he knows you'll call it silly when he uses it dismantle global order? Everyone knows he makes first public statements there. He made THIS statement there. It is a global platform. I really don't know why that's silly. He is throwing enemy propaganda in your face. But, you know... I'm happy to not call it a crime. That's really not the point.
And you're confusing patriotism with nationalism, maybe, because obviously, yes, lacking patriotism is very much the current issue with the GOP. Likewise, they confuse party with country. Our democracy was attacked, and the response has been traitorous. I don't fucking say that because I like it. I say that because, jesus christ, look at what the President just "tweeted". And do you expect people like Daunt to take offense to it, or defend it?
2 years ago, were Republicans talking about isolating from NATO?
He has rewarded the enemy that helped him get elected, and he has been able to accomplish that reward BECAUSE of the Republican party. Because they lack patriotism, or at least, have completely switched party for country. The point is the precedent that would be set by charging the president with treason over a tweet. Its probably not a good idea. Imagine that the president realizes that he can now jail people for treason over tweets they had sent. I would imagine that a painful few years would follow for everyone. This is exactly what people are talking about when they say that the media has gone insane over Trump. All perspective is being lost in the quest to be rid of a guy who, lets be honest, isn't as bad as the guy who might take over from him. Sometimes principles have to guide you, in this case I would recommend looking at the practicalities. There's a more important practicality at work here: The President should be held to a higher standard of behaviour than your drunken neighbour at the end of a nine hour bender. His behaviour reflects on the USA as a whole, and your entire country is denigrated by what he does on twitter. That seems to warrant a more stringent attitude towards it, no?
It does, yeah, but it certainly doesn't warrant treason charges. How stringent can you be on a platform that has a tiny character limit.
The most stringent way of policing the President's use of twitter is to tell him not to use it.
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This Trump Putin meeting, ugh,.... whats going to come out of it T_T
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Trump walks into meetings like he already got what he wants and then says they are big successes. Look at NK if you want the clearest example.
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On July 16 2018 22:06 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 22:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
This Trump Putin meeting, ugh,.... whats going to come out of it T_T A lot of tweets. Both sides proclaiming the other is terrible and the worst. Then a whole bunch of nothing because we will be onto the next big event, rinse and repeat over and over.
I would expect Trump's response to continue the whole "I love Putin, he's the best" trend, and Putin's response to continue the whole "The top of Trump's head is pretty" trend.
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