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In spite of the fact that my reaction to any one of his posts can generally be described as
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I feel that the circumstances weren't exactly fair. Although I would say that his beliefs aren't entirely grounded in reality, I do not feel that he was aggressive or offensive towards other posters. His ban will lessen the value and variety of discourse in pretty much all of the controversial (and thus high activity) threads in the general forum. Additionally, the ban reason in the ABL leaves a lot to be desired. As such a high volume poster and one of the few extreme conservative on this board, I feel that this should not be treated as lightly as it has.
Edit: It could also help clarify a lot if we know which PBU he is, because I have no clue.
Poll: What is your opinion of sc2superfan101He's a good guy (31) 53% Mind-gratingly obtuse, but not a shit poster. (14) 24% Paid for by the Heritage Foundation, ban (10) 17% Unreasonably inflammatory - ban (3) 5% 58 total votes Your vote: What is your opinion of sc2superfan101 (Vote): Mind-gratingly obtuse, but not a shit poster.
(Vote): Paid for by the Heritage Foundation, ban
(Vote): Unreasonably inflammatory - ban
(Vote): He's a good guy
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As posted by Plexa in the ABL discussion thread:
His main account was MasterBlasterCaster. He has had a handful of accounts since then, all banned. In a previous life, he posted this:
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Yo. Faggots. Perm ban this account. Perm ban the other account. (PM if you're too stupid to figure out which on Every moment that goes by without a perm ban for these two accounts is enough to make me puke. Seriously though, I would like a perm ban please, for both accounts. I've asked like a dick, I've asked like a stranger, I've demanded, I've insulted, and now I am breaking yet another rule. PBU bitches, making an account to get around it. Now PERM BAN ME!!!!!! Fuck you, have a nice day, and btw: Just because you have the right to do it, doesn't mean that you are right in doing it. It would be good for the fucktards that run this shithole to remember that. PS: Ya'll a bunch of pansy ass whiners.
If this association was made earlier, he would have been permed. While it was a report from the recent political discussions that made me look into things, it was his history on both accounts that indicated that nothing had changed and hence there was no leeway that could be provided.
That aside, while he wasn't necessarily abrasive, he was *really* frustrating to talk to, if you can call it that. It was like trying to play catch with a wall that simply bounced back whatever you said with the same talking points each and every single time. I wouldn't categorize him as a "shit poster" on this particular account, but of course that's not the entire ban reason.
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On October 04 2013 11:34 Funnytoss wrote:As posted by Plexa in the ABL discussion thread: Show nested quote +His main account was MasterBlasterCaster. He has had a handful of accounts since then, all banned. In a previous life, he posted this:
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Yo. Faggots. Perm ban this account. Perm ban the other account. (PM if you're too stupid to figure out which on Every moment that goes by without a perm ban for these two accounts is enough to make me puke. Seriously though, I would like a perm ban please, for both accounts. I've asked like a dick, I've asked like a stranger, I've demanded, I've insulted, and now I am breaking yet another rule. PBU bitches, making an account to get around it. Now PERM BAN ME!!!!!! Fuck you, have a nice day, and btw: Just because you have the right to do it, doesn't mean that you are right in doing it. It would be good for the fucktards that run this shithole to remember that. PS: Ya'll a bunch of pansy ass whiners.
If this association was made earlier, he would have been permed. While it was a report from the recent political discussions that made me look into things, it was his history on both accounts that indicated that nothing had changed and hence there was no leeway that could be provided. That aside, while he wasn't necessarily abrasive, he was *really* frustrating to talk to, if you can call it that. It was like trying to play catch with a wall that simply bounced back whatever you said with the same talking points each and every single time. I wouldn't categorize him as a "shit poster" on this particular account, but of course that's not the entire ban reason.
Honestly, after a brief overview of his history as MBC I would say he should be banned. But not for his history as SC2 101. Although I get the PBU and resolute authority perspective, I feel that his current posting more than meets the standards expected of TL posters. He's still an asshole, but I don't think his recent actions merit his ban. (and by recent I mean under his current account)
Isn't the overall point of the system to improve the quality of posting? Even though he is stubborn as a brick, I have never questioned his civility.
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He was fascinatingly stubborn. I'd single out his posts while I am lurking on the political threads, just to see how his opponents would counter-respond to his claims. That being said, while his posts were torturous, it was almost amusing too, sorta like you know, Bleach.
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What exactly was he banned for?
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On October 04 2013 12:12 xDaunt wrote:
What exactly was he banned for?
PBU (MasterBlasterCaster).
Specific reason I would assume is because he got into a mild spat with Jibba tonight.
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He was amusing please bring him back.
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On October 04 2013 12:12 xDaunt wrote:
What exactly was he banned for?
Because Plexa figured out that his account was the same person as someone who had previously been perma-banned. His political postings drew Plexa's attention and brought about some research into his history. The IRS would be proud.
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So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads.
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I don't think his posts really encouraged the discourse or brought anything new to the table; overall, the posts were unproductive, encouraging rubbish-posting and pointless circular arguments.
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On October 04 2013 12:34 magicmUnky wrote:
I don't think his posts really encouraged the discourse or brought anything new to the table; overall, the posts were unproductive, encouraging rubbish-posting and pointless circular arguments.
A conclusion based entirely on the fact that you disagree with him.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
I disagree with him, Johnny, xDaunt, you, and a ton of other conservatives, but his level of posting was of a lower standard than all of yours.
I'm not sure if his posts warranted a permaban, but his history of being a PBU certainly does.
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On October 04 2013 12:31 xDaunt wrote:
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads.
I agree.
This is not the first time this has happened, and definitely not the first time I've complained about it. Previously I said:
Now let's talk about TL mods. They seriously do a bad job in moderating arguments. They're biased. People get banned for making arguments that they disagree with if the argument is too controversial. People also get banned for making "flamebait" arguments, i.e. a perfectly legitimate and defensible argument that is so controversial that a horde of (often irrational and unthinking) forum posters will attack you relentlessly and call you a troll. In dealing with arguments, mods on TL have a bias against unpopular views.
I stand by that. TL mods have a heavy bias against forceful, unpopular, and controversial opinions.
People have a right to present unpopular argument, even if they're nonsense, wrong, persistent, and uncomfortable.
It was a cowardly move to ban him.
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On October 04 2013 13:10 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:31 xDaunt wrote:
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads. I agree. This is not the first time this has happened, and definitely not the first time I've complained about it. TL mods have a heavy bias against forceful, unpopular, and controversial opinions. People have a right to present unpopular argument, even if they're nonsense, wrong, persistent, and uncomfortable. It was a cowardly move to ban him.
They don't have a right to do so on this forum, but they should be encouraged to do so when they are able to do it in a civil manner. That is the main reason why I cannot support his ban. As I have said in the ABL thread, I think he needs to try out the rule of thumb that I use, which is to try to limit the number of posts you put in a topic in a certain period of time to ignore the repetitive bullshit that arises from too much posting and not enough thinking.
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On October 04 2013 13:24 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 13:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 12:31 xDaunt wrote:
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads. I agree. This is not the first time this has happened, and definitely not the first time I've complained about it. TL mods have a heavy bias against forceful, unpopular, and controversial opinions. People have a right to present unpopular argument, even if they're nonsense, wrong, persistent, and uncomfortable. It was a cowardly move to ban him. They don't have a right to do so on this forum, but they should be encouraged to do so when they are able to do it in a civil manner. That is the main reason why I cannot support his ban. As I have said in the ABL thread, I think he needs to try out the rule of thumb that I use, which is to try to limit the number of posts you put in a topic in a certain period of time to ignore the repetitive bullshit that arises from too much posting and not enough thinking.
People have a right to express beliefs that "aren't entirely grounded in reality" and that are "bullshit".
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On October 04 2013 13:27 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 13:24 Jormundr wrote:On October 04 2013 13:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 12:31 xDaunt wrote:
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads. I agree. This is not the first time this has happened, and definitely not the first time I've complained about it. TL mods have a heavy bias against forceful, unpopular, and controversial opinions. People have a right to present unpopular argument, even if they're nonsense, wrong, persistent, and uncomfortable. It was a cowardly move to ban him. They don't have a right to do so on this forum, but they should be encouraged to do so when they are able to do it in a civil manner. That is the main reason why I cannot support his ban. As I have said in the ABL thread, I think he needs to try out the rule of thumb that I use, which is to try to limit the number of posts you put in a topic in a certain period of time to ignore the repetitive bullshit that arises from too much posting and not enough thinking. People have a right to express beliefs that "aren't entirely grounded in reality" and that are "bullshit".
People actually have no "right" whatsoever to post anything on TL.
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On October 04 2013 13:31 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 13:27 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 13:24 Jormundr wrote:On October 04 2013 13:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 12:31 xDaunt wrote:
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads. I agree. This is not the first time this has happened, and definitely not the first time I've complained about it. TL mods have a heavy bias against forceful, unpopular, and controversial opinions. People have a right to present unpopular argument, even if they're nonsense, wrong, persistent, and uncomfortable. It was a cowardly move to ban him. They don't have a right to do so on this forum, but they should be encouraged to do so when they are able to do it in a civil manner. That is the main reason why I cannot support his ban. As I have said in the ABL thread, I think he needs to try out the rule of thumb that I use, which is to try to limit the number of posts you put in a topic in a certain period of time to ignore the repetitive bullshit that arises from too much posting and not enough thinking. People have a right to express beliefs that "aren't entirely grounded in reality" and that are "bullshit". People actually have no "right" whatsoever to post anything on TL.
This. When you come on Team Liquid, you waive your right to say whatever you want and agree to post under Team Liquid's rules. Otherwise, you get warned/banned.
For example, you're allowed to say all the curse words you want outside of Team Liquid. But when you post on Team Liquid, keep the curse words to a minimum, only when they are super appropriate. Don't post on TL like it's Reddit or 4chan.
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On October 04 2013 13:31 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 13:27 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 13:24 Jormundr wrote:On October 04 2013 13:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 12:31 xDaunt wrote:
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads. I agree. This is not the first time this has happened, and definitely not the first time I've complained about it. TL mods have a heavy bias against forceful, unpopular, and controversial opinions. People have a right to present unpopular argument, even if they're nonsense, wrong, persistent, and uncomfortable. It was a cowardly move to ban him. They don't have a right to do so on this forum, but they should be encouraged to do so when they are able to do it in a civil manner. That is the main reason why I cannot support his ban. As I have said in the ABL thread, I think he needs to try out the rule of thumb that I use, which is to try to limit the number of posts you put in a topic in a certain period of time to ignore the repetitive bullshit that arises from too much posting and not enough thinking. People have a right to express beliefs that "aren't entirely grounded in reality" and that are "bullshit". People actually have no "right" whatsoever to post anything on TL.
The mods control who is allowed to post, but just because they can ban someone for saying something they don't like doesn't mean they are correct to do so. If the mods want to get away from freedom of speech, which they've demonstrated on many occasions, then they can do so, but they are wrong, and they are doing the wrong thing.
In real life, in America, people have a right to say things that you don't like, in ways you don't like. A better online community would respect that.
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On October 04 2013 13:54 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 13:31 Kaitlin wrote:On October 04 2013 13:27 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 13:24 Jormundr wrote:On October 04 2013 13:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 12:31 xDaunt wrote:
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads. I agree. This is not the first time this has happened, and definitely not the first time I've complained about it. TL mods have a heavy bias against forceful, unpopular, and controversial opinions. People have a right to present unpopular argument, even if they're nonsense, wrong, persistent, and uncomfortable. It was a cowardly move to ban him. They don't have a right to do so on this forum, but they should be encouraged to do so when they are able to do it in a civil manner. That is the main reason why I cannot support his ban. As I have said in the ABL thread, I think he needs to try out the rule of thumb that I use, which is to try to limit the number of posts you put in a topic in a certain period of time to ignore the repetitive bullshit that arises from too much posting and not enough thinking. People have a right to express beliefs that "aren't entirely grounded in reality" and that are "bullshit". People actually have no "right" whatsoever to post anything on TL. The mods control who is allowed to post, but just because they can ban someone for saying something they don't like doesn't mean they are correct to do so. If the mods want to get away from freedom of speech, which they've demonstrated on many occasions, then they can do so, but they are wrong, and they are doing the wrong thing. In real life, in America, people have a right to say things that you don't like, in ways you don't like. A better online community would respect that.
This isn't "real life" or "America". This is the Internet. And Team Liquid.
You walk into someone's house and say something they don't like, they have the right to kick you out because it's their home. And they're perfectly right to do so. This is Team Liquid's "house", not public property/space. You have the right to say what you want, and other people have the right to respond to what you say how they want. It's a two-way street.
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Canada11440 Posts
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean.
Regardless of what you think of the actuall perm, 'Fairly clean' for a regular poster is very different than 'fairly clean' for a formerly perm'd account that is only a year and bit old. And a poster that on a previous account, challenged the mods to perm every account he had.
And as well meaning as some of the defenders of the mod action are here, I don't think our first line of defence on controversial mod actions should be "we do whatever the hell we want because we are TL." I hope we don't come across as arbitrary as all that.
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On October 04 2013 14:34 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. Regardless of what you think of the actuall perm, 'Fairly clean' for a regular poster is very different than 'fairly clean' for a formerly perm'd account that is only a year and bit old. And a poster that on a previous account, challenged the mods to perm every account he had. And as well meaning as some of the defenders are here, I don't think our first line of defence on controversial mod actions should be "we do whatever the hell we want because we are TL." I hope we don't come across as arbitrary as all that.
Most of us are not arguing that the mod action is arbitrary. We are arguing that, in spite of his previous actions, he has grown into a valuable poster on this board on his recent account. I personally ask that you weigh his current posts against his past history. They are extremely valuable to this community, even though the majority of the TL populace disagrees with him.
And all this coming from a person who is almost as far left as sam!zdat.
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I lurk around the thread, and am quite conservative. I always thought his posts were interesting since they often had a unique (or uniquely stated) perspective on things, even if some of them didn't make complete sense. I can imagine it would be difficult to discuss things with him due to this however, it requires some out of the box reasoning.
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On October 04 2013 14:34 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. Regardless of what you think of the actuall perm, 'Fairly clean' for a regular poster is very different than 'fairly clean' for a formerly perm'd account that is only a year and bit old. And a poster that on a previous account, challenged the mods to perm every account he had. And as well meaning as some of the defenders of the mod action are here, I don't think our first line of defence on controversial mod actions should be "we do whatever the hell we want because we are TL." I hope we don't come across as arbitrary as all that.
I was kind of staying out of his specific case because I haven't really been tracking his posts, but I did want to just add one point to the discussion. I read his post which was quoted by Plexa, the one calling for mods to ban him, etc. Yeah, it was pretty bad, but I kind of take that as a moment of rage that many of us have. Sure, that post was deserving of a ban, but I also think it was a temporary emotional response, and now it's being used, seemingly as the primary case, for his now perma ban.
I would hope that a year of posting, even though he wasn't supposed to, should be more factored into the decision that one moment of stupidity that he had long ago. God knows there is rage in Starcraft, and a lot of these political / general forum discussions sometimes get heated because people believe what they believe firmly. I am only suggesting that his rant is seen as just that, one temporary emotional outburst deserving of a ban, but not really something that should be considered as heavily as it is being used now.
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sc2superfan101 was the main reason I stopped reading the forums and just kept to the Tech Support forum if ever I posted. Mods are way too nice on this site.
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On October 04 2013 13:10 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:31 xDaunt wrote:
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads. I agree. This is not the first time this has happened, and definitely not the first time I've complained about it. Previously I said: Show nested quote +Now let's talk about TL mods. They seriously do a bad job in moderating arguments. They're biased. People get banned for making arguments that they disagree with if the argument is too controversial. People also get banned for making "flamebait" arguments, i.e. a perfectly legitimate and defensible argument that is so controversial that a horde of (often irrational and unthinking) forum posters will attack you relentlessly and call you a troll. In dealing with arguments, mods on TL have a bias against unpopular views. I stand by that. TL mods have a heavy bias against forceful, unpopular, and controversial opinions. People have a right to present unpopular argument, even if they're nonsense, wrong, persistent, and uncomfortable. It was a cowardly move to ban him.
In the interest of having more interesting discussions I generally agree with you and TL mods as all people are biased to a certain degree. However, he was a PBU and the main mistake being made here was not discovering it earlier. Even though he seemed to be less of a pain in the ass with this account his ban now is absolutely justified because of his history. Even if it looks like his political stance "helped" in that as well.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
If I remember correctly he wasn't a very good poster in SC2 fora
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Can you please keep him perma banned and shorten DEB's ban instead ?
I'm all for having people with strong opinion I disagree with, but I'd rather they came from someone who is actually smart.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 04 2013 12:14 Jormundr wrote:PBU (MasterBlasterCaster). Specific reason I would assume is because he got into a mild spat with Jibba tonight.
Has nothing to do with that. A post was reported, I looked into it, found the connection to MBC, pulled the trigger. That's all there is to this matter.
On October 04 2013 13:54 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 13:31 Kaitlin wrote:On October 04 2013 13:27 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 13:24 Jormundr wrote:On October 04 2013 13:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 04 2013 12:31 xDaunt wrote:
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. That seems rather weak. What's even worse is that the mods were looking at his history and thinking about banning him for little to no apparent reason other than that they disagree with him and considered his posts "weak." "Best" case scenario is that the mods were looking at him because a bunch of people were reporting him for rather weak reasons.
Look, his posting was far from perfect (not that mine is, either), but there clearly is a very bad double standard in terms of how the political threads are moderated. I dare someone to tell me with a straight face that his posts are demonstrably worse than some of the shit that some liberal posters throw around in the political threads without consequence. I've raised this issue before. Yes, it is TL's site, and they are free to do as they please, but I hope that they understand that they have created a very large disincentive for conservatives to post in these threads. I agree. This is not the first time this has happened, and definitely not the first time I've complained about it. TL mods have a heavy bias against forceful, unpopular, and controversial opinions. People have a right to present unpopular argument, even if they're nonsense, wrong, persistent, and uncomfortable. It was a cowardly move to ban him. They don't have a right to do so on this forum, but they should be encouraged to do so when they are able to do it in a civil manner. That is the main reason why I cannot support his ban. As I have said in the ABL thread, I think he needs to try out the rule of thumb that I use, which is to try to limit the number of posts you put in a topic in a certain period of time to ignore the repetitive bullshit that arises from too much posting and not enough thinking. People have a right to express beliefs that "aren't entirely grounded in reality" and that are "bullshit". People actually have no "right" whatsoever to post anything on TL. The mods control who is allowed to post, but just because they can ban someone for saying something they don't like doesn't mean they are correct to do so. If the mods want to get away from freedom of speech, which they've demonstrated on many occasions, then they can do so, but they are wrong, and they are doing the wrong thing. In real life, in America, people have a right to say things that you don't like, in ways you don't like. A better online community would respect that.
There are plenty of people we allow to post who say shit we don't like. I could care less about the political discussion on TL, I have no opinion on the 'rightness' or 'wrongness' of any politic position in the US (for I realise that the US is very different to where I come from and my perspective/understanding thus cannot be accurate).
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean.
He would have been permed earlier if the connection had been made. For security reasons, some mod tools are not available to banlings and are restricted to red/admin level. Unfortunately many reds/admins don't do report work these days and some PBUs slip through the cracks. Come to think of it, this is probably something we should address so that this doesn't happen again.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 04 2013 21:41 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. He would have been permed earlier if the connection had been made. For security reasons, some mod tools are not available to banlings and are restricted to red/admin level. Unfortunately many reds/admins don't do report work these days and some PBUs slip through the cracks. Come to think of it, this is probably something we should address so that this doesn't happen again.
An intermediate moderator level?
Banling then... Bandralisk? 
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On October 04 2013 21:41 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. He would have been permed earlier if the connection had been made. For security reasons, some mod tools are not available to banlings and are restricted to red/admin level. Unfortunately many reds/admins don't do report work these days and some PBUs slip through the cracks. Come to think of it, this is probably something we should address so that this doesn't happen again.
Ok thanks, that makes a lot more sense then.
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Haha, MBC, good times. Superfan posted like Chabanais from r/conservative, so I'm surprised it took him this long to slip up.
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On October 04 2013 23:39 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 21:41 Plexa wrote:So they banned him for PBU reasons when he has 3k+ posts on his current account that are fairly clean. He would have been permed earlier if the connection had been made. For security reasons, some mod tools are not available to banlings and are restricted to red/admin level. Unfortunately many reds/admins don't do report work these days and some PBUs slip through the cracks. Come to think of it, this is probably something we should address so that this doesn't happen again. An intermediate moderator level? Banling then... Bandralisk?
Shellbot. 
I imagine this was the real reason they went straight to perm for sc2superfan. A 3k+ post account with a decent record is nothing to shake a stick at, even for a PBU. But he should've asked a higher-up for permission to come back on before creating the account and posting. He may have had honest intentions, but the protocol is there to prevent (certain) other nefarious, notorious PBUs from returning. It's like leaving a small pocketknife in your pants as you work through airport security: you don't intend anything malicious with it, but you still technically broke the rules.
EDIT: I guess you could say I'm playing devil's advocate here. Trying to see this subject through two views.
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EPT
