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On October 06 2012 10:00 Hondelul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 01:23 Whatson wrote:On October 05 2012 15:24 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 05 2012 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:On October 05 2012 12:10 Azzur wrote:I've read through the whole post and pieced together a few things. I'm on the side of the OP and will say that Kwark stepped out of line: 1) OP makes a bad "first" post and got justifiably warned. Obviously, the stock warning message was in jest but in poor taste, especially if the user is new and didn't get it. 2) OP makes a post in General to complain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373092#1Reading through the post, I didn't find much mistake other than it was in the wrong forum. I don't really blame the OP since the Website Feedback link is right at the bottom and easy to miss. Kwark closed the thread decided to warn him instead of simply moving it to Website Feedback. 3) To compound it, Kwark decided to throw a few unnecessary insults. 4) OP is now extremely incensed and posts this thread. Many users criticise the OP's snarky attitude but realise that many things have already happened. However, if the OP had instead adopted a better attitude, perhaps he would've won more sympathy and the issue gets resolved faster. 5) Kwark fans the flame: The post you got warned for ended
"Am I just being stupid to feel offended?"
The answer was yes for then and doubly yes for now. A warning is no big deal, just an instruction not to do what you got warned for. For some reason (maybe stupidity, maybe some other deficiency on your part, maybe something else) you felt the need to post "first". Now I don't wish to speculate about why (maybe you're dumb?) but the why (dumb maybe?) doesn't really matter, you posted "first" and you got warned for it because it's a shitty post that we don't do on teamliquid.
You then felt the need for some reason (dropped on your head as a child?) to make a shitty topic in general forum asking if you were stupid for being offended by a standard warning message you got for making a shitty post. I then warned you for making such a shitty topic because you should have known better after you already got warned for shitposting but didn't know better for some reason (maybe foetal alcohol syndrome?). I also answered your question, although it was just my opinion and if you would like an official diagnosis of stupid then please consult a medical professional.
I would not like to hazard a guess at why you saw the need to make yet another topic as you may get offended by my speculation on the matter 6) Fortunately, a more level-headed admin (Plexa) steps in and diffuses the situation. yes, but OP was being dumb and that kwark post was hilarious. I approve~ That's like clapping along to a schoolyard bully beating a nerd. Insults aren't funny to the person being insulted. Well, if the nerd was making some stupid comments to the schoolyard bully, yes I would probably clap along and say that he deserved it. Well, yeah but the insults sure are hilarious to everybody else. Well, I find several bans/warnings in your history. You saying "the insult are hilarious to everybody else" is in this regard hopefully not the overall TL stance. Like I already said I don´t find the PM ok, while I know that it´s not meant insulting. Not everyone is ok with such things (and I personally don´t think KwarKs post in this topic was ok, a normal user would be warned/banned for sure. The "this is our house" has a limit imo). I hope my overall post history indicates pro staff opinion, so this is not read as a simple "drama" post. And now go on for everyone not ok that OP says he´s not ok with being insulted. That´s my feedback, what is done with it knowing that others disagree is up to staff.
I got banned/warned for being an idiot and for getting too deeply into arguments with other posters, and I'm fine with that because I learned every time what is regarded as shitty posting and what's acceptable. Maybe the OP also learns from KwarK/FakeSteve what is a shit post and what's not. And aren't you such a great example of a TL poster, never getting warned or banned once.
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On October 06 2012 10:00 Hondelul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 01:23 Whatson wrote:On October 05 2012 15:24 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 05 2012 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:On October 05 2012 12:10 Azzur wrote:I've read through the whole post and pieced together a few things. I'm on the side of the OP and will say that Kwark stepped out of line: 1) OP makes a bad "first" post and got justifiably warned. Obviously, the stock warning message was in jest but in poor taste, especially if the user is new and didn't get it. 2) OP makes a post in General to complain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373092#1Reading through the post, I didn't find much mistake other than it was in the wrong forum. I don't really blame the OP since the Website Feedback link is right at the bottom and easy to miss. Kwark closed the thread decided to warn him instead of simply moving it to Website Feedback. 3) To compound it, Kwark decided to throw a few unnecessary insults. 4) OP is now extremely incensed and posts this thread. Many users criticise the OP's snarky attitude but realise that many things have already happened. However, if the OP had instead adopted a better attitude, perhaps he would've won more sympathy and the issue gets resolved faster. 5) Kwark fans the flame: The post you got warned for ended
"Am I just being stupid to feel offended?"
The answer was yes for then and doubly yes for now. A warning is no big deal, just an instruction not to do what you got warned for. For some reason (maybe stupidity, maybe some other deficiency on your part, maybe something else) you felt the need to post "first". Now I don't wish to speculate about why (maybe you're dumb?) but the why (dumb maybe?) doesn't really matter, you posted "first" and you got warned for it because it's a shitty post that we don't do on teamliquid.
You then felt the need for some reason (dropped on your head as a child?) to make a shitty topic in general forum asking if you were stupid for being offended by a standard warning message you got for making a shitty post. I then warned you for making such a shitty topic because you should have known better after you already got warned for shitposting but didn't know better for some reason (maybe foetal alcohol syndrome?). I also answered your question, although it was just my opinion and if you would like an official diagnosis of stupid then please consult a medical professional.
I would not like to hazard a guess at why you saw the need to make yet another topic as you may get offended by my speculation on the matter 6) Fortunately, a more level-headed admin (Plexa) steps in and diffuses the situation. yes, but OP was being dumb and that kwark post was hilarious. I approve~ That's like clapping along to a schoolyard bully beating a nerd. Insults aren't funny to the person being insulted. Well, if the nerd was making some stupid comments to the schoolyard bully, yes I would probably clap along and say that he deserved it. Well, yeah but the insults sure are hilarious to everybody else. Well, I find several bans/warnings in your history. You saying "the insult are hilarious to everybody else" is in this regard hopefully not the overall TL stance. Like I already said I don´t find the PM ok, while I know that it´s not meant insulting. Not everyone is ok with such things (and I personally don´t think KwarKs post in this topic was ok, a normal user would be warned/banned for sure. The "this is our house" has a limit imo). I hope my overall post history indicates pro staff opinion, so this is not read as a simple "drama" post. And now go on for everyone not ok that OP says he´s not ok with being insulted. That´s my feedback, what is done with it knowing that others disagree is up to staff.
Wait, so just because you haven't had any mod history means your opinion somehow matter more than those of us who have? Lol...
Mega props to FakeSeve for that stock message and KwarK for that absolutely golden post.
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On October 06 2012 13:53 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:00 Hondelul wrote:On October 06 2012 01:23 Whatson wrote:On October 05 2012 15:24 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 05 2012 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:On October 05 2012 12:10 Azzur wrote:I've read through the whole post and pieced together a few things. I'm on the side of the OP and will say that Kwark stepped out of line: 1) OP makes a bad "first" post and got justifiably warned. Obviously, the stock warning message was in jest but in poor taste, especially if the user is new and didn't get it. 2) OP makes a post in General to complain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373092#1Reading through the post, I didn't find much mistake other than it was in the wrong forum. I don't really blame the OP since the Website Feedback link is right at the bottom and easy to miss. Kwark closed the thread decided to warn him instead of simply moving it to Website Feedback. 3) To compound it, Kwark decided to throw a few unnecessary insults. 4) OP is now extremely incensed and posts this thread. Many users criticise the OP's snarky attitude but realise that many things have already happened. However, if the OP had instead adopted a better attitude, perhaps he would've won more sympathy and the issue gets resolved faster. 5) Kwark fans the flame: The post you got warned for ended
"Am I just being stupid to feel offended?"
The answer was yes for then and doubly yes for now. A warning is no big deal, just an instruction not to do what you got warned for. For some reason (maybe stupidity, maybe some other deficiency on your part, maybe something else) you felt the need to post "first". Now I don't wish to speculate about why (maybe you're dumb?) but the why (dumb maybe?) doesn't really matter, you posted "first" and you got warned for it because it's a shitty post that we don't do on teamliquid.
You then felt the need for some reason (dropped on your head as a child?) to make a shitty topic in general forum asking if you were stupid for being offended by a standard warning message you got for making a shitty post. I then warned you for making such a shitty topic because you should have known better after you already got warned for shitposting but didn't know better for some reason (maybe foetal alcohol syndrome?). I also answered your question, although it was just my opinion and if you would like an official diagnosis of stupid then please consult a medical professional.
I would not like to hazard a guess at why you saw the need to make yet another topic as you may get offended by my speculation on the matter 6) Fortunately, a more level-headed admin (Plexa) steps in and diffuses the situation. yes, but OP was being dumb and that kwark post was hilarious. I approve~ That's like clapping along to a schoolyard bully beating a nerd. Insults aren't funny to the person being insulted. Well, if the nerd was making some stupid comments to the schoolyard bully, yes I would probably clap along and say that he deserved it. Well, yeah but the insults sure are hilarious to everybody else. Well, I find several bans/warnings in your history. You saying "the insult are hilarious to everybody else" is in this regard hopefully not the overall TL stance. Like I already said I don´t find the PM ok, while I know that it´s not meant insulting. Not everyone is ok with such things (and I personally don´t think KwarKs post in this topic was ok, a normal user would be warned/banned for sure. The "this is our house" has a limit imo). I hope my overall post history indicates pro staff opinion, so this is not read as a simple "drama" post. And now go on for everyone not ok that OP says he´s not ok with being insulted. That´s my feedback, what is done with it knowing that others disagree is up to staff. Wait, so just because you haven't had any mod history means your opinion somehow matter more than those of us who have? Lol... Mega props to FakeSeve for that stock message and KwarK for that absolutely golden post.
It actually does. Same as a person with no criminal offences is a better law-abiding citizen. When you're looking for role-models, you don't look at an ex-con, you look to the model citizen. And it's bloody scary to see people on TL of all places support insults (especially those based on comparisons with mentally challenged people).
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On October 06 2012 13:53 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:00 Hondelul wrote:On October 06 2012 01:23 Whatson wrote:On October 05 2012 15:24 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 05 2012 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:On October 05 2012 12:10 Azzur wrote:I've read through the whole post and pieced together a few things. I'm on the side of the OP and will say that Kwark stepped out of line: 1) OP makes a bad "first" post and got justifiably warned. Obviously, the stock warning message was in jest but in poor taste, especially if the user is new and didn't get it. 2) OP makes a post in General to complain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373092#1Reading through the post, I didn't find much mistake other than it was in the wrong forum. I don't really blame the OP since the Website Feedback link is right at the bottom and easy to miss. Kwark closed the thread decided to warn him instead of simply moving it to Website Feedback. 3) To compound it, Kwark decided to throw a few unnecessary insults. 4) OP is now extremely incensed and posts this thread. Many users criticise the OP's snarky attitude but realise that many things have already happened. However, if the OP had instead adopted a better attitude, perhaps he would've won more sympathy and the issue gets resolved faster. 5) Kwark fans the flame: The post you got warned for ended
"Am I just being stupid to feel offended?"
The answer was yes for then and doubly yes for now. A warning is no big deal, just an instruction not to do what you got warned for. For some reason (maybe stupidity, maybe some other deficiency on your part, maybe something else) you felt the need to post "first". Now I don't wish to speculate about why (maybe you're dumb?) but the why (dumb maybe?) doesn't really matter, you posted "first" and you got warned for it because it's a shitty post that we don't do on teamliquid.
You then felt the need for some reason (dropped on your head as a child?) to make a shitty topic in general forum asking if you were stupid for being offended by a standard warning message you got for making a shitty post. I then warned you for making such a shitty topic because you should have known better after you already got warned for shitposting but didn't know better for some reason (maybe foetal alcohol syndrome?). I also answered your question, although it was just my opinion and if you would like an official diagnosis of stupid then please consult a medical professional.
I would not like to hazard a guess at why you saw the need to make yet another topic as you may get offended by my speculation on the matter 6) Fortunately, a more level-headed admin (Plexa) steps in and diffuses the situation. yes, but OP was being dumb and that kwark post was hilarious. I approve~ That's like clapping along to a schoolyard bully beating a nerd. Insults aren't funny to the person being insulted. Well, if the nerd was making some stupid comments to the schoolyard bully, yes I would probably clap along and say that he deserved it. Well, yeah but the insults sure are hilarious to everybody else. Well, I find several bans/warnings in your history. You saying "the insult are hilarious to everybody else" is in this regard hopefully not the overall TL stance. Like I already said I don´t find the PM ok, while I know that it´s not meant insulting. Not everyone is ok with such things (and I personally don´t think KwarKs post in this topic was ok, a normal user would be warned/banned for sure. The "this is our house" has a limit imo). I hope my overall post history indicates pro staff opinion, so this is not read as a simple "drama" post. And now go on for everyone not ok that OP says he´s not ok with being insulted. That´s my feedback, what is done with it knowing that others disagree is up to staff. Wait, so just because you haven't had any mod history means your opinion somehow matter more than those of us who have? Lol... Mega props to FakeSeve for that stock message and KwarK for that absolutely golden post.
No, that´s not what I meant.
It was meant as "I don´t try to jump on mods for little things and make drama, so this complainment is for me really an exception". The "post history" was more that I tried in my first 2 posts in here to tell the OP that he should not take it so serious and the stock message is not meant as insult.
I just don´t have a mod history because my posts are overall plain boring and I try my best not to get in any arguments, nothing to be proud of imo.
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In general, I am glad we have mods who aren't afraid to put some humor in ban reasons and warn reasons.
However that is a horrible message to send to new users.
I know if I registered on a forum and got that, I would leave on the spot.
I think you should change that generic stock message to something more.. reasonable.
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On October 06 2012 16:51 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 13:53 aviator116 wrote:On October 06 2012 10:00 Hondelul wrote:On October 06 2012 01:23 Whatson wrote:On October 05 2012 15:24 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 05 2012 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:On October 05 2012 12:10 Azzur wrote:I've read through the whole post and pieced together a few things. I'm on the side of the OP and will say that Kwark stepped out of line: 1) OP makes a bad "first" post and got justifiably warned. Obviously, the stock warning message was in jest but in poor taste, especially if the user is new and didn't get it. 2) OP makes a post in General to complain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373092#1Reading through the post, I didn't find much mistake other than it was in the wrong forum. I don't really blame the OP since the Website Feedback link is right at the bottom and easy to miss. Kwark closed the thread decided to warn him instead of simply moving it to Website Feedback. 3) To compound it, Kwark decided to throw a few unnecessary insults. 4) OP is now extremely incensed and posts this thread. Many users criticise the OP's snarky attitude but realise that many things have already happened. However, if the OP had instead adopted a better attitude, perhaps he would've won more sympathy and the issue gets resolved faster. 5) Kwark fans the flame: The post you got warned for ended
"Am I just being stupid to feel offended?"
The answer was yes for then and doubly yes for now. A warning is no big deal, just an instruction not to do what you got warned for. For some reason (maybe stupidity, maybe some other deficiency on your part, maybe something else) you felt the need to post "first". Now I don't wish to speculate about why (maybe you're dumb?) but the why (dumb maybe?) doesn't really matter, you posted "first" and you got warned for it because it's a shitty post that we don't do on teamliquid.
You then felt the need for some reason (dropped on your head as a child?) to make a shitty topic in general forum asking if you were stupid for being offended by a standard warning message you got for making a shitty post. I then warned you for making such a shitty topic because you should have known better after you already got warned for shitposting but didn't know better for some reason (maybe foetal alcohol syndrome?). I also answered your question, although it was just my opinion and if you would like an official diagnosis of stupid then please consult a medical professional.
I would not like to hazard a guess at why you saw the need to make yet another topic as you may get offended by my speculation on the matter 6) Fortunately, a more level-headed admin (Plexa) steps in and diffuses the situation. yes, but OP was being dumb and that kwark post was hilarious. I approve~ That's like clapping along to a schoolyard bully beating a nerd. Insults aren't funny to the person being insulted. Well, if the nerd was making some stupid comments to the schoolyard bully, yes I would probably clap along and say that he deserved it. Well, yeah but the insults sure are hilarious to everybody else. Well, I find several bans/warnings in your history. You saying "the insult are hilarious to everybody else" is in this regard hopefully not the overall TL stance. Like I already said I don´t find the PM ok, while I know that it´s not meant insulting. Not everyone is ok with such things (and I personally don´t think KwarKs post in this topic was ok, a normal user would be warned/banned for sure. The "this is our house" has a limit imo). I hope my overall post history indicates pro staff opinion, so this is not read as a simple "drama" post. And now go on for everyone not ok that OP says he´s not ok with being insulted. That´s my feedback, what is done with it knowing that others disagree is up to staff. Wait, so just because you haven't had any mod history means your opinion somehow matter more than those of us who have? Lol... Mega props to FakeSeve for that stock message and KwarK for that absolutely golden post. It actually does. Same as a person with no criminal offences is a better law-abiding citizen. When you're looking for role-models, you don't look at an ex-con, you look to the model citizen. And it's bloody scary to see people on TL of all places support insults (especially those based on comparisons with mentally challenged people).
LOL I would love for you to tell Belial, avilo, IdrA, and InControl that their opinions matter less than people who haven't gotten banned before.
How so? It's the internet...I thought people realized long ago that TL, like any other internet forum, does not approve of shitty posting, and people on TL aren't afraid to take stabs at those people who made said shitty posts. And please, stop being so sensitive...
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My reaction:
1. New posters aren't always familiar with the rules, 'first' is something alot of sites have.
2. Apart from posting first, he added more into his post apart from that, which makes it a legit post.
3. Your bot message is horrible. You really want that to be the message that posters get when they post first? The only people who post First are newbies to the site. Good job insulting all new people in the site.
4. Kwark is an asshole. I could get his reactions from the screenshot and etc, but him coming into this post and saying what he does is retarded. If this was my site, that post on the first page would have gotten mod status removal.
Why dont you try being the better man Kwark? Since your the mod and all.
edit: Well, from the other pages, it seems TL is perfectly fine with Bad Humor and Insults. I guess ignore my post if thats the case. Glad i haven't ran across this Kwark guy before. Using 'hes british and blunt' as an excuse for being an asshole makes me laugh. Insults and partial Racism. GO TL
2nd edit: This guy from like page 2 or 3 got it right on the spot. OP is prolly dumb and stupid and flaming TL Mods, which is defintely wrong. But that doesn't mean the stock message is legit. Because like I said, only newbies post first (nobody does it after first warning generally). Dont insult your new people.
+ Show Spoiler +I kinda skipped through the image because I thought op would just be overreacting to something Kwark did and would be blowing it out of proportion. But now that I've gone back and reread that message, it really is pretty bad imo. To send something like that to the op who, only for the reason of putting "first" in his post got that message is pretty harsh. Had he posted without the "first", he likely would not have been warned. But he didn't just say "first", he also put in his thoughts on the matter (in few words though). Other people, including myself, only wish to write maybe a single sentence or two to express ourselves without feeling the need to write out a whole paragraph.
I'm not sure if FakeSteve is telling the truth, but if that is the actual stock message, change it. That's terrible.
In this matter though, op should not have been so harshly warned. But also op should not have retaliated in such a vicious matter by insulting and generalizing the mods in this thread. Like Gene said, op has a point, but his senseless arguing is clouding everyone's judgement and shifting their favorable views toward the mods.
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On October 07 2012 03:44 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 16:51 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 06 2012 13:53 aviator116 wrote:On October 06 2012 10:00 Hondelul wrote:On October 06 2012 01:23 Whatson wrote:On October 05 2012 15:24 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 05 2012 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:On October 05 2012 12:10 Azzur wrote:I've read through the whole post and pieced together a few things. I'm on the side of the OP and will say that Kwark stepped out of line: 1) OP makes a bad "first" post and got justifiably warned. Obviously, the stock warning message was in jest but in poor taste, especially if the user is new and didn't get it. 2) OP makes a post in General to complain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373092#1Reading through the post, I didn't find much mistake other than it was in the wrong forum. I don't really blame the OP since the Website Feedback link is right at the bottom and easy to miss. Kwark closed the thread decided to warn him instead of simply moving it to Website Feedback. 3) To compound it, Kwark decided to throw a few unnecessary insults. 4) OP is now extremely incensed and posts this thread. Many users criticise the OP's snarky attitude but realise that many things have already happened. However, if the OP had instead adopted a better attitude, perhaps he would've won more sympathy and the issue gets resolved faster. 5) Kwark fans the flame: The post you got warned for ended
"Am I just being stupid to feel offended?"
The answer was yes for then and doubly yes for now. A warning is no big deal, just an instruction not to do what you got warned for. For some reason (maybe stupidity, maybe some other deficiency on your part, maybe something else) you felt the need to post "first". Now I don't wish to speculate about why (maybe you're dumb?) but the why (dumb maybe?) doesn't really matter, you posted "first" and you got warned for it because it's a shitty post that we don't do on teamliquid.
You then felt the need for some reason (dropped on your head as a child?) to make a shitty topic in general forum asking if you were stupid for being offended by a standard warning message you got for making a shitty post. I then warned you for making such a shitty topic because you should have known better after you already got warned for shitposting but didn't know better for some reason (maybe foetal alcohol syndrome?). I also answered your question, although it was just my opinion and if you would like an official diagnosis of stupid then please consult a medical professional.
I would not like to hazard a guess at why you saw the need to make yet another topic as you may get offended by my speculation on the matter 6) Fortunately, a more level-headed admin (Plexa) steps in and diffuses the situation. yes, but OP was being dumb and that kwark post was hilarious. I approve~ That's like clapping along to a schoolyard bully beating a nerd. Insults aren't funny to the person being insulted. Well, if the nerd was making some stupid comments to the schoolyard bully, yes I would probably clap along and say that he deserved it. Well, yeah but the insults sure are hilarious to everybody else. Well, I find several bans/warnings in your history. You saying "the insult are hilarious to everybody else" is in this regard hopefully not the overall TL stance. Like I already said I don´t find the PM ok, while I know that it´s not meant insulting. Not everyone is ok with such things (and I personally don´t think KwarKs post in this topic was ok, a normal user would be warned/banned for sure. The "this is our house" has a limit imo). I hope my overall post history indicates pro staff opinion, so this is not read as a simple "drama" post. And now go on for everyone not ok that OP says he´s not ok with being insulted. That´s my feedback, what is done with it knowing that others disagree is up to staff. Wait, so just because you haven't had any mod history means your opinion somehow matter more than those of us who have? Lol... Mega props to FakeSeve for that stock message and KwarK for that absolutely golden post. It actually does. Same as a person with no criminal offences is a better law-abiding citizen. When you're looking for role-models, you don't look at an ex-con, you look to the model citizen. And it's bloody scary to see people on TL of all places support insults (especially those based on comparisons with mentally challenged people). LOL I would love for you to tell Belial, avilo, IdrA, and InControl that their opinions matter less than people who haven't gotten banned before. How so? It's the internet...I thought people realized long ago that TL, like any other internet forum, does not approve of shitty posting, and people on TL aren't afraid to take stabs at those people who made said shitty posts. And please, stop being so sensitive...
You're missing the point. Despite being freakin' IdrA, he's gotten permabanned so many times. If he weren't the most famous western BW player and for a long time the best foreigner in SC2, he would already be banned. Us nobodies better not take him as a role model...
As for being sensitive, you couldn't be more in the wrong. You should become more sensitive. Not only are you advocating hurting other people's feelings, you're also insensitive to what would be a more efficient way to forward the goals of TL. Scaring away posters, and creating vicious messages is not the aim of the stock message. It was meant to educate, and it failed.
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On October 07 2012 04:35 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 03:44 Whatson wrote:On October 06 2012 16:51 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 06 2012 13:53 aviator116 wrote:On October 06 2012 10:00 Hondelul wrote:On October 06 2012 01:23 Whatson wrote:On October 05 2012 15:24 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 05 2012 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:On October 05 2012 12:10 Azzur wrote:I've read through the whole post and pieced together a few things. I'm on the side of the OP and will say that Kwark stepped out of line: 1) OP makes a bad "first" post and got justifiably warned. Obviously, the stock warning message was in jest but in poor taste, especially if the user is new and didn't get it. 2) OP makes a post in General to complain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373092#1Reading through the post, I didn't find much mistake other than it was in the wrong forum. I don't really blame the OP since the Website Feedback link is right at the bottom and easy to miss. Kwark closed the thread decided to warn him instead of simply moving it to Website Feedback. 3) To compound it, Kwark decided to throw a few unnecessary insults. 4) OP is now extremely incensed and posts this thread. Many users criticise the OP's snarky attitude but realise that many things have already happened. However, if the OP had instead adopted a better attitude, perhaps he would've won more sympathy and the issue gets resolved faster. 5) Kwark fans the flame: The post you got warned for ended
"Am I just being stupid to feel offended?"
The answer was yes for then and doubly yes for now. A warning is no big deal, just an instruction not to do what you got warned for. For some reason (maybe stupidity, maybe some other deficiency on your part, maybe something else) you felt the need to post "first". Now I don't wish to speculate about why (maybe you're dumb?) but the why (dumb maybe?) doesn't really matter, you posted "first" and you got warned for it because it's a shitty post that we don't do on teamliquid.
You then felt the need for some reason (dropped on your head as a child?) to make a shitty topic in general forum asking if you were stupid for being offended by a standard warning message you got for making a shitty post. I then warned you for making such a shitty topic because you should have known better after you already got warned for shitposting but didn't know better for some reason (maybe foetal alcohol syndrome?). I also answered your question, although it was just my opinion and if you would like an official diagnosis of stupid then please consult a medical professional.
I would not like to hazard a guess at why you saw the need to make yet another topic as you may get offended by my speculation on the matter 6) Fortunately, a more level-headed admin (Plexa) steps in and diffuses the situation. yes, but OP was being dumb and that kwark post was hilarious. I approve~ That's like clapping along to a schoolyard bully beating a nerd. Insults aren't funny to the person being insulted. Well, if the nerd was making some stupid comments to the schoolyard bully, yes I would probably clap along and say that he deserved it. Well, yeah but the insults sure are hilarious to everybody else. Well, I find several bans/warnings in your history. You saying "the insult are hilarious to everybody else" is in this regard hopefully not the overall TL stance. Like I already said I don´t find the PM ok, while I know that it´s not meant insulting. Not everyone is ok with such things (and I personally don´t think KwarKs post in this topic was ok, a normal user would be warned/banned for sure. The "this is our house" has a limit imo). I hope my overall post history indicates pro staff opinion, so this is not read as a simple "drama" post. And now go on for everyone not ok that OP says he´s not ok with being insulted. That´s my feedback, what is done with it knowing that others disagree is up to staff. Wait, so just because you haven't had any mod history means your opinion somehow matter more than those of us who have? Lol... Mega props to FakeSeve for that stock message and KwarK for that absolutely golden post. It actually does. Same as a person with no criminal offences is a better law-abiding citizen. When you're looking for role-models, you don't look at an ex-con, you look to the model citizen. And it's bloody scary to see people on TL of all places support insults (especially those based on comparisons with mentally challenged people). LOL I would love for you to tell Belial, avilo, IdrA, and InControl that their opinions matter less than people who haven't gotten banned before. How so? It's the internet...I thought people realized long ago that TL, like any other internet forum, does not approve of shitty posting, and people on TL aren't afraid to take stabs at those people who made said shitty posts. And please, stop being so sensitive... You're missing the point. Despite being freakin' IdrA, he's gotten permabanned so many times. If he weren't the most famous western BW player and for a long time the best foreigner in SC2, he would already be banned. Us nobodies better not take him as a role model... As for being sensitive, you couldn't be more in the wrong. You should become more sensitive. Not only are you advocating hurting other people's feelings, you're also insensitive to what would be a more efficient way to forward the goals of TL. Scaring away posters, and creating vicious messages is not the aim of the stock message. It was meant to educate, and it failed.
I would also like to point out that OP isn't exactly what you would call a "new member". He's been around since april, and he has made posts previous to that one. I don't understand, are you saying that the internet, and the real world in general, is a sensitive place? TL is very down to earth. Was the message vicious? Yes. Was it deserved? Yes.
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This thread is really turning into a discussion over whether or not the stock message was deserved. Obviously, I think it is deserved, because the OP made a stupid post, and it wasn't even his first post. But this whole discussion over whether or not FakeSteve/KwarK's stock message was warranted, at least to me, is not going to be solved by this thread, since it's the Internet. So I really don't see the point of me continuing to post and debate in this thread...
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On October 07 2012 04:50 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 04:35 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 07 2012 03:44 Whatson wrote:On October 06 2012 16:51 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 06 2012 13:53 aviator116 wrote:On October 06 2012 10:00 Hondelul wrote:On October 06 2012 01:23 Whatson wrote:On October 05 2012 15:24 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 05 2012 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:On October 05 2012 12:10 Azzur wrote:I've read through the whole post and pieced together a few things. I'm on the side of the OP and will say that Kwark stepped out of line: 1) OP makes a bad "first" post and got justifiably warned. Obviously, the stock warning message was in jest but in poor taste, especially if the user is new and didn't get it. 2) OP makes a post in General to complain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373092#1Reading through the post, I didn't find much mistake other than it was in the wrong forum. I don't really blame the OP since the Website Feedback link is right at the bottom and easy to miss. Kwark closed the thread decided to warn him instead of simply moving it to Website Feedback. 3) To compound it, Kwark decided to throw a few unnecessary insults. 4) OP is now extremely incensed and posts this thread. Many users criticise the OP's snarky attitude but realise that many things have already happened. However, if the OP had instead adopted a better attitude, perhaps he would've won more sympathy and the issue gets resolved faster. 5) Kwark fans the flame: [quote] 6) Fortunately, a more level-headed admin (Plexa) steps in and diffuses the situation. yes, but OP was being dumb and that kwark post was hilarious. I approve~ That's like clapping along to a schoolyard bully beating a nerd. Insults aren't funny to the person being insulted. Well, if the nerd was making some stupid comments to the schoolyard bully, yes I would probably clap along and say that he deserved it. Well, yeah but the insults sure are hilarious to everybody else. Well, I find several bans/warnings in your history. You saying "the insult are hilarious to everybody else" is in this regard hopefully not the overall TL stance. Like I already said I don´t find the PM ok, while I know that it´s not meant insulting. Not everyone is ok with such things (and I personally don´t think KwarKs post in this topic was ok, a normal user would be warned/banned for sure. The "this is our house" has a limit imo). I hope my overall post history indicates pro staff opinion, so this is not read as a simple "drama" post. And now go on for everyone not ok that OP says he´s not ok with being insulted. That´s my feedback, what is done with it knowing that others disagree is up to staff. Wait, so just because you haven't had any mod history means your opinion somehow matter more than those of us who have? Lol... Mega props to FakeSeve for that stock message and KwarK for that absolutely golden post. It actually does. Same as a person with no criminal offences is a better law-abiding citizen. When you're looking for role-models, you don't look at an ex-con, you look to the model citizen. And it's bloody scary to see people on TL of all places support insults (especially those based on comparisons with mentally challenged people). LOL I would love for you to tell Belial, avilo, IdrA, and InControl that their opinions matter less than people who haven't gotten banned before. How so? It's the internet...I thought people realized long ago that TL, like any other internet forum, does not approve of shitty posting, and people on TL aren't afraid to take stabs at those people who made said shitty posts. And please, stop being so sensitive... You're missing the point. Despite being freakin' IdrA, he's gotten permabanned so many times. If he weren't the most famous western BW player and for a long time the best foreigner in SC2, he would already be banned. Us nobodies better not take him as a role model... As for being sensitive, you couldn't be more in the wrong. You should become more sensitive. Not only are you advocating hurting other people's feelings, you're also insensitive to what would be a more efficient way to forward the goals of TL. Scaring away posters, and creating vicious messages is not the aim of the stock message. It was meant to educate, and it failed. I would also like to point out that OP isn't exactly what you would call a "new member". He's been around since april, and he has made posts previous to that one. I don't understand, are you saying that the internet, and the real world in general, is a sensitive place? TL is very down to earth. Was the message vicious? Yes. Was it deserved? Yes.
Haha. I guess the definition of new is very subjective
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On October 07 2012 05:00 Whatson wrote:
This thread is really turning into a discussion over whether or not the stock message was deserved. Obviously, I think it is deserved, because the OP made a stupid post, and it wasn't even his first post. But this whole discussion over whether or not FakeSteve/KwarK's stock message was warranted, at least to me, is not going to be solved by this thread, since it's the Internet. So I really don't see the point of me continuing to post and debate in this thread...
How is that even an argument?! O.o
It's the same as saying that killing babies is good because we breathe air, or homosexuality is evil because human nature. That's just not enough. There are good reasons why the stock message, despite a warning being warranted, is considered unacceptable - it was insulting and inefficient towards its purpose.
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On October 07 2012 07:57 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 05:00 Whatson wrote:
This thread is really turning into a discussion over whether or not the stock message was deserved. Obviously, I think it is deserved, because the OP made a stupid post, and it wasn't even his first post. But this whole discussion over whether or not FakeSteve/KwarK's stock message was warranted, at least to me, is not going to be solved by this thread, since it's the Internet. So I really don't see the point of me continuing to post and debate in this thread... How is that even an argument?! O.o It's the same as saying that killing babies is good because we breathe air, or homosexuality is evil because human nature. That's just not enough. There are good reasons why the stock message, despite a warning being warranted, is considered unacceptable - it was insulting and inefficient towards its purpose.
It's the Internet...It's a bunch of faceless people getting into arguments that have no purpose because you're not going to change other people's opinions, so there is really no point in debating or arguing over it, since I think he already stated his point of view and why he believes that opinion is correct.
I think I'm out too lol, I've already made my opinion clear, and sorry to say, there's nothing you can do to change that opinion. Welcome to the Internet.
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On October 07 2012 08:27 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 07:57 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 07 2012 05:00 Whatson wrote:
This thread is really turning into a discussion over whether or not the stock message was deserved. Obviously, I think it is deserved, because the OP made a stupid post, and it wasn't even his first post. But this whole discussion over whether or not FakeSteve/KwarK's stock message was warranted, at least to me, is not going to be solved by this thread, since it's the Internet. So I really don't see the point of me continuing to post and debate in this thread... How is that even an argument?! O.o It's the same as saying that killing babies is good because we breathe air, or homosexuality is evil because human nature. That's just not enough. There are good reasons why the stock message, despite a warning being warranted, is considered unacceptable - it was insulting and inefficient towards its purpose. It's the Internet...It's a bunch of faceless people getting into arguments that have no purpose because you're not going to change other people's opinions, so there is really no point in debating or arguing over it, since I think he already stated his point of view and why he believes that opinion is correct. I think I'm out too lol, I've already made my opinion clear, and sorry to say, there's nothing you can do to change that opinion. Welcome to the Internet.
The funny thing is, the formulation you provide is not about the internet. It's from Robert Nozick's introduction to metaphysics where he says that when a philosopher makes an argument, no matter how good and compelling, there is nothing she or he can do about a person saying: "Nananananaaaa, I'm not listening." People choose to do so everywhere, not just on the internet, but those are not the people that you would want to take as a role model either.
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Im just going to re-iterate this.
'Fist' is something that is big in alot of forum communities. This person may not be new, but most offenders are new people to TL. I dont believe that stock message is a good message to give to a new member to TL. Im not sure why this is hard to understand. Dont shit on your new members.
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You realise the stock message had absolutely nothing to do with me. I didn't write it and I didn't send it to him. The part where I got involved was when he decided to make a topic in the general forum whining about it and ended it with "am I stupid?" at which point I felt my honest opinion on the matter was pertinent. After he made a second topic, this time whining about me answering his question it amused me to tease him further. Also I don't recall ever making the argument that I'm allowed to tease people because I'm British and that somehow makes me automatically rude so it's just my nature. That's a very strange accusation to call me out on.
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On October 07 2012 23:37 KwarK wrote:
You realise the stock message had absolutely nothing to do with me. I didn't write it and I didn't send it to him. The part where I got involved was when he decided to make a topic in the general forum whining about it and ended it with "am I stupid?" at which point I felt my honest opinion on the matter was pertinent. After he made a second topic, this time whining about me answering his question it amused me to tease him further. Also I don't recall ever making the argument that I'm allowed to tease people because I'm British and that somehow makes me automatically rude so it's just my nature. That's a very strange accusation to call me out on.
He was writing in response to Myles:
On October 04 2012 00:51 Myles wrote:
It is a stock message that wasn't created just for you. And yea, Kwark is British and comes off quite rude sometimes.
Also, calling a mod dumbfuck probably isn't the best way to go about this.
Let me translate your response.
my honest opinion on the matter was pertinent.
"I felt like seizing the opportunity and teasing him by calling him stupid."
And you reinforce that you were teasing him by saying:
it amused me to tease him further.
You didn't justify this at all, even in your last post. How on earth can you justify teasing someone whose feelings were hurt (whether your own feelings would have been hurt in that situation or not), just because it "amuses you". That makes you sound like a bloody horrible human being.
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Because of his intensely offensive post. IMO.
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lolol, of course fakesteve would write a tirade like that as the stock message for posting "first"...
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Man why is everyone so serious about everything these days? Was there ever a time when jokes were OK, or is that just my Internet Nostalgia?
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