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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 07 2012 19:51 GMT
#81
On October 06 2012 16:51 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 13:53 aviator116 wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:00 Hondelul wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:23 Whatson wrote:
On October 05 2012 15:24 Ghanburighan wrote:
On October 05 2012 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:
On October 05 2012 12:10 Azzur wrote:
I've read through the whole post and pieced together a few things. I'm on the side of the OP and will say that Kwark stepped out of line:

1) OP makes a bad "first" post and got justifiably warned. Obviously, the stock warning message was in jest but in poor taste, especially if the user is new and didn't get it.

2) OP makes a post in General to complain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373092#1
Reading through the post, I didn't find much mistake other than it was in the wrong forum. I don't really blame the OP since the Website Feedback link is right at the bottom and easy to miss. Kwark closed the thread decided to warn him instead of simply moving it to Website Feedback.

3) To compound it, Kwark decided to throw a few unnecessary insults.

4) OP is now extremely incensed and posts this thread. Many users criticise the OP's snarky attitude but realise that many things have already happened. However, if the OP had instead adopted a better attitude, perhaps he would've won more sympathy and the issue gets resolved faster.

5) Kwark fans the flame:
The post you got warned for ended
"Am I just being stupid to feel offended?"

The answer was yes for then and doubly yes for now. A warning is no big deal, just an instruction not to do what you got warned for. For some reason (maybe stupidity, maybe some other deficiency on your part, maybe something else) you felt the need to post "first". Now I don't wish to speculate about why (maybe you're dumb?) but the why (dumb maybe?) doesn't really matter, you posted "first" and you got warned for it because it's a shitty post that we don't do on teamliquid.

You then felt the need for some reason (dropped on your head as a child?) to make a shitty topic in general forum asking if you were stupid for being offended by a standard warning message you got for making a shitty post. I then warned you for making such a shitty topic because you should have known better after you already got warned for shitposting but didn't know better for some reason (maybe foetal alcohol syndrome?). I also answered your question, although it was just my opinion and if you would like an official diagnosis of stupid then please consult a medical professional.

I would not like to hazard a guess at why you saw the need to make yet another topic as you may get offended by my speculation on the matter

6) Fortunately, a more level-headed admin (Plexa) steps in and diffuses the situation.


yes, but OP was being dumb and that kwark post was hilarious. I approve~


That's like clapping along to a schoolyard bully beating a nerd. Insults aren't funny to the person being insulted.

Well, if the nerd was making some stupid comments to the schoolyard bully, yes I would probably clap along and say that he deserved it.
Well, yeah but the insults sure are hilarious to everybody else.

Well, I find several bans/warnings in your history.
You saying "the insult are hilarious to everybody else" is in this regard hopefully not the overall TL stance.

Like I already said I don´t find the PM ok, while I know that it´s not meant insulting. Not everyone is ok with such things (and I personally don´t think KwarKs post in this topic was ok, a normal user would be warned/banned for sure. The "this is our house" has a limit imo).

I hope my overall post history indicates pro staff opinion, so this is not read as a simple "drama" post. And now go on for everyone not ok that OP says he´s not ok with being insulted.

That´s my feedback, what is done with it knowing that others disagree is up to staff.

Wait, so just because you haven't had any mod history means your opinion somehow matter more than those of us who have? Lol...

Mega props to FakeSeve for that stock message and KwarK for that absolutely golden post.


It actually does. Same as a person with no criminal offences is a better law-abiding citizen. When you're looking for role-models, you don't look at an ex-con, you look to the model citizen. And it's bloody scary to see people on TL of all places support insults (especially those based on comparisons with mentally challenged people).


I have a warning message named after me. Do I get bonus points?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 07 2012 20:15 GMT
#82
The stock warning is fine, people just need to stop posting first.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
October 07 2012 20:46 GMT
#83
I <3 Kwark
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
October 07 2012 21:23 GMT
#84
On October 08 2012 03:54 ranjutan wrote:
Man why is everyone so serious about everything these days? Was there ever a time when jokes were OK, or is that just my Internet Nostalgia?

People have such thin skins when it comes to being insulted on the internet sometimes, amuses me to no end.

Steve you need to make more stock messages
In the woods, there lurks..
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 22:59:37
October 07 2012 22:58 GMT
#85
revised edition:

"Hello poster, I'm really really sorry to bother you with this PM. It is our intent at TL to never force anyone to click something they don't want to, so I can understand how intimidating and scary this PM might be. I'll try not to take too much of your time, because I know how busy you are, especially compared to me, a lowly forum moderator. Here on TL we'd like to ask that you don't post "first", or similar low-content posts. Not that your posts are low-content! You are a valued and special member of our community! But please don't post "first" again. If that's okay. Your call.

I love you, and I'm so so sorry to bother you.

Fondest regards,
The TL mod staff.

P.S.: I am really sorry."
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
October 07 2012 23:03 GMT
#86
I think this deserves a "flamewheel-rekrul".
lol
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
October 07 2012 23:06 GMT
#87
I like the new stock message FS!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 07 2012 23:38 GMT
#88
New stock message is nicer
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
October 07 2012 23:54 GMT
#89
good thing there is a feedback forum so when people have qualms they can be passively ridiculed
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 08 2012 00:43 GMT
#90
Well we don't have a Street Fighter team, so I gotta contribute something.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
October 08 2012 00:55 GMT
#91
I like that new stock message, it really reflects that the new members are delicate snowflakes and must be treated with the utmost care so that they don't get their feelings hurt. We wouldn't want them to be offended *gasp*. I don't think it goes far enough though. As well all know, being warned or banned is the most traumatizing thing that any new TL member can experience, so to prevent any of the snowflakes from being hurt in the slightest, I propose that any new TL member be exempt from any of those harsh commandments for their first six months of posting, so they can gradually ease into our little community.

I mean really, if we slap down people who make terrible posts, how will we ever get any quality community members? Checkmate, TL mods.
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
October 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#92
On October 08 2012 09:55 Mandini wrote:
I like that new stock message, it really reflects that the new members are delicate snowflakes and must be treated with the utmost care so that they don't get their feelings hurt. We wouldn't want them to be offended *gasp*. I don't think it goes far enough though. As well all know, being warned or banned is the most traumatizing thing that any new TL member can experience, so to prevent any of the snowflakes from being hurt in the slightest, I propose that any new TL member be exempt from any of those harsh commandments for their first six months of posting, so they can gradually ease into our little community.

I mean really, if we slap down people who make terrible posts, how will we ever get any quality community members? Checkmate, TL mods.

because there are only extremes and no middle ground?
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 08 2012 05:38 GMT
#93
On October 08 2012 07:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
revised edition:

"Hello poster, I'm really really sorry to bother you with this PM. It is our intent at TL to never force anyone to click something they don't want to, so I can understand how intimidating and scary this PM might be. I'll try not to take too much of your time, because I know how busy you are, especially compared to me, a lowly forum moderator. Here on TL we'd like to ask that you don't post "first", or similar low-content posts. Not that your posts are low-content! You are a valued and special member of our community! But please don't post "first" again. If that's okay. Your call.

I love you, and I'm so so sorry to bother you.

Fondest regards,
The TL mod staff.

P.S.: I am really sorry."


so canadian~
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
October 08 2012 06:16 GMT
#94
On October 04 2012 05:25 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lolol that was the only 'stock message' i contributed, i suppose the humor is outdated now, but LOOOOL all the same

cough cough, i mean yes. standard warning message. completely standard.


On October 08 2012 07:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
revised edition:

"Hello poster, I'm really really sorry to bother you with this PM. It is our intent at TL to never force anyone to click something they don't want to, so I can understand how intimidating and scary this PM might be. I'll try not to take too much of your time, because I know how busy you are, especially compared to me, a lowly forum moderator. Here on TL we'd like to ask that you don't post "first", or similar low-content posts. Not that your posts are low-content! You are a valued and special member of our community! But please don't post "first" again. If that's okay. Your call.

I love you, and I'm so so sorry to bother you.

Fondest regards,
The TL mod staff.

P.S.: I am really sorry."


Add me to your fan club.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
October 08 2012 16:41 GMT
#95
On October 08 2012 14:38 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 07:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
revised edition:

"Hello poster, I'm really really sorry to bother you with this PM. It is our intent at TL to never force anyone to click something they don't want to, so I can understand how intimidating and scary this PM might be. I'll try not to take too much of your time, because I know how busy you are, especially compared to me, a lowly forum moderator. Here on TL we'd like to ask that you don't post "first", or similar low-content posts. Not that your posts are low-content! You are a valued and special member of our community! But please don't post "first" again. If that's okay. Your call.

I love you, and I'm so so sorry to bother you.

Fondest regards,
The TL mod staff.

P.S.: I am really sorry."


so canadian~


Here would you like a doughnut?
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
October 08 2012 18:22 GMT
#96
Some mods are insulting for whatever reason (maybe because this be the interwebs and that's just how it goes), and it doesn't quite jive with the "high standards" and other stuff TLers pat themselves on the back for, but honestly, whatever. If your warning or ban PM is insulting to you, well, it's just some guy who you will almost certainly never ever ever meet, and it's just pixels on a screen. It says more about your own need for approval from others than about their manners or lack thereof if you get into as big a snit about it as HanClan did.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
October 08 2012 19:19 GMT
#97
I get that Deep. You make good points. For instance, im of the opinion that OP does indeed seem to be 'unintelligent' and 'as much as an asshole as Kwark'. But some of us really just have bigger goals.

Mine for instance: Grow SC2 and Dota into the largest esports possible.
The stock message completely negates that. And most of the converstation in this thread is constant belittling.
As you said, multiple mods seem to clash with the standards that TL calls itself.

My only real qualm in all of this was the stock message. Why? Because its common sense to no that regardless if this poster is new, most people who post 'first' are brand new to the site. There is no reason to flame them as bad as that. And with as large as that message is, alot of random internet users wont know its just a generated message, they will think that somebody created that just for them (yes i know common sense shows its from a bot, but most people dont use common sense). I am not for dissing newcomers to this site. This site is really the only site that can help grow SC2 beyond what it is, so treating newcomers correctly is good.

I understand the canadian guy's 'fake change' was really just trolling and demeaning (again so many mods seem to be this way, why tl?), but id rather it be that then what it currently is. At least most people will catch the humor in the second one, as opposed to the first one.

Example: if a person comes on to this site with adblock, it says at the top to stop hurting esports. Your message directly contributes to hurting esports. Sorry for wall of text and numerous postings

I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
October 08 2012 21:25 GMT
#98
Fakesteve makes guy mad, guy gets mad at Kwark instead.

Fakesteve 1 - 0 Kwark. Next up, Speefing competition.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 09 2012 01:51 GMT
#99
Dear KwarK and Fakesteve. You're clearly both far too mean of individuals. I offer the "JingleHell Sensitivity Awareness Course". We include such fan favorite classes as "How not to post like JingleHell", "Four paragraphs of Four Letter Words", and "Censored Because my Mod History is Already Red Enough".
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
October 09 2012 01:51 GMT
#100
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