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On May 17 2011 14:58 Mataza wrote:
Lol Karshe. Giygass having done a great job of all people?
I do state the obvious since this is a newbie game. And since the very beginning I had the feeling that some people do not know how this really works.
I also "defend" myself as people are requesting answers for questions that they don´t write. I especially like "various questions". Giygass requests answers for nonsensical questions.
Viscera took what I said and distorted it. His point on me provoking wifom is wrong.
I urge you to reread that.
I will make my cases later in the day. It´s 8 in the morning over here, gotta get busy.
Are you writing my name wrong on purpose. Seriously. On my demanding answers to nonsensical questions, how is asking you:
+ Show Spoiler +- On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that?
To which you respond "Oh, I wanted to know how many times we can fail."
+ Show Spoiler +- What is your thoughts on this sentence: On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote:
Mhm, and you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. To which you responded with a link to this thing call WIFOM. And all I could think about at this point in time is then; "Why did you say that in the first place"
On the point of you bashing Karshe, he never said I was doing a great job, of say generating content. He said I was doing a great job of generating discussion. My intent throughout that afternoon.I even said:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 02:31 GiygaS wrote:
Also, its boring when people don't actually play :-P
Finally, I re-read Viscera's point on me, where he says:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Feels green except for how quickly he jumped on Mata after I even hinted at a reddish hue. This immediately AFTER a very friendly post encouraging people to post. Left me thinking 'Why, so you could immediately CAPSLOCKMAFIA them like Mata? Watch carefully.
Actually, I didn't call him the mafia in all caps. this is actually what I said:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote:
Mhm, and you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. If you wanted someone to go off the path of finding the mafia, you would say that the strategy they would perform would be completely opposite to what you were doing. Also, you were the first one to make basic rules to know HE IS THE MAFIA.
Now notice here that I said "Also, you were the first one to make basic rules to know HE IS THE MAFIA". By this, I meant that I was imagining people screaming at each other: "HE LIED LOW HE IS THE MAFIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" etc etc. When I realized that these words, especially the capital letters, were indeed misunderstood, i made a brief apology. So when if ever, did I CAPSLOCKMAFIA Mata?
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@Giygas
By CAPSLOCKMAFIA I was refering to how you appeared to call Mata Mafia at the end of that post, doing so in all caps.
Those were my notes from last night, and as I said...some of it was resolved. Actually yours was mostly what I was referencing, as you had made an effort to apologize and had made it clear you were just joking at the time of the post.
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As the crickets chirp, I'm reminded of a song....
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As this thread only seems to come to life when something drastic happens, allow me to, yet again, lead off. Le sigh.
##vote stefftastiq
This is based upon comments in pregame about looking forward to playing, and the very few posts after it speaking otherwise. I understand that I can be quoted as being against policy-lynching inactives, but in this case it reads scummy to me and I'd like someone to post...something. All that has been posted so far has been analysis of one FoS and the fluff that comes with it. I'd like to see a few more FoS's, but even that is getting to be too late for today, and I don't think enough of us are active enough to get good solid evidence one way or the other.
So here we are. Analyze this.
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Right, I've been away for a little bit and meanwhile you guys formed a bloody bandwagon against Mataza, based on some of the weakest analysis that I have seen.
Now, listen up.
Mataza is pro town. He might not be the best at portraying it, but this guy is as innocent as a newborn baby. The worst way to play on the first day is to lynch someone this outspoken and willing to analyse, in addition giving the mafia good targets to bandwagon on. Plenty of people have band-wagoned after Gig and VisEyes, any number of them could be our scum.
Luckily there is at least some improvement in voting for stefftastiq, seeing as "hi lol, i'm new" is basically a terrible first post. If you're pro-town, you're not careful. You don't give careful observations and tell people you're new. But instead you just cannon rush the fuck out of whomever you think might be red. He was also very quick to apologize, which is another sign of someone that is insecure.
But the again... he might just be that new and naive...
If you're town Steff: step up your damn game, because you're not helping us at the moment.
Here's another option: As I don't have a proper red read on anyone yet should we consider just lynching someone that will get mod-killed anyway? That is probably the safest mislynch, as even if it's wrong, that person would've died anyway...
Oh, and here is my FOS:
DeepBlu2
On May 17 2011 05:41 DeepBlu2 wrote:
I am here. This is off to a good start. I am active..Not sure who I think atm.
Hi2u2
On May 17 2011 11:57 DeepBlu2 wrote:
I'm leaning towards Mataza at the moment. I'm not positive yet but just the fact he's defending himself so aggressively and has been caught with a couple of contradictions while blaming others as well. I'm going to be keep looking at his posts but he's my only suspect currently. I'm not saying it's definitely Mataza just the way he's handling himself is very defensive.
Oh, would you look at that... a band-wagon I can get on without providing a single line of analysis? I can even hop on and feign being uncertain... that's a good plan for the future!
##Vote: DeepBlu2
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Alright. Well I guess I'll make another post but I'm new at this. I just wanted to make the 2nd post saying I was here because you were waiting for a post and I only had a minute to write it so sorry about that.
I am not a band wagon/front-runner sir, and I am most definately not mafia as since Day 1 I have been secretly observing people's actions.
Upon further review, I believe that Mataza is not mafia. He posted earlier that in order for the Mafia to thrive and be successful, they must lay low. However, he has done quite the opposite and I am starting to think that his "defense" isn't an overreaction to being Mafia but instead just trying to have justice served by having us vote the actual mafia members. I do believe, however, that the correct mafia member is none other than Glygas. Being sly in his ways, he has tricked people to vote against Matiza who he must believe is his biggest threat. Glygas has turned against the two most active players looking to seek justice for the Town in my eyes. He has been accusing people constantly and the time he has defended himself, he just used quotes or responses that were not though out which makes it very hard to find hard evidence.
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Sorry, I didn't include it in my last post but I know you can't edit so:
##vote GiygaS
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 12:30 GiygaS wrote:Finally, more then 3 people talking! Welcome to the game prp and nard, nice to see some europeans now. Inactives:2 Guys we haven't seen, may get modkilled. Can't make an opinion on them yet. Karshe: + Show Spoiler +
Hasen't really posted anything good at all. Might get modkilled, I don't know about him.
stefftastiq: + Show Spoiler +
Hasen't posted much but a brief "hello". Mentionned something about people being trigger-happy. I'm a tad suspicious as he should have posted again by now.
Deepblu2 + Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 05:41 DeepBlu2 wrote:
I am here. This is off to a good start. I am active..Not sure who I think atm. On May 17 2011 11:57 DeepBlu2 wrote:
I'm leaning towards Mataza at the moment. I'm not positive yet but just the fact he's defending himself so aggressively and has been caught with a couple of contradictions while blaming others as well. I'm going to be keep looking at his posts but he's my only suspect currently. I'm not saying it's definitely Mataza just the way he's handling himself is very defensive. Deepblu just posted so I haven't really had a chance to analyse his most recent post, but I'll give it a shot. His first post detailed how he's indeed "active" and he's formulating an opinion. Initially a bit scummy, if he hadn't posted anything, but he has now, so that lowers a bit of his suspicion. Based on his recent entry, he's leaning towards Mataza, based on his defensive stance. Overall, hasen't really produced much content, so I can't really say much about him. Mataza + Show Spoiler +Now, this guy seems a bit scummy to me, PROBABLY the most so far. The reasons have been brought up already: - He's implying he wants to become A leader of the town (maybe so he can control people? I don't know) - He is very defensive about his spot, very resilient to abandon anything. I don't know if this means he's mafia, but a person who goes out his way to say he's innocent seems a bit guilty :/ - Mentioned how many days Mafia has to stay alive. Good just be some helpful math. - HOWEVER after all this, he said he puts himself officially on trial. And he will only answer questions specifically asked at him. This implies he knows he has done wrong and wants to get a bit out of the spotlight. This is most likely because he's tired of constantly defending himself, but it could also be that he's Mafia and wants to sink back in to the shadows. I'm a bit suspicious of him. Also, he's got my name wrong twice now (it's not gigays, or gigas, it's giygas  ) VisceraEyes: + Show Spoiler +
Got into Mataza as soon as the game begun, might just because he wants activity. The fact he HAS been avoiding questions to attack Mataza some more, which may imply he's trying to avoid them so that he doesn't have any answers. Don't know what I think of him, a bit suspicious.
prplhz (anyone got tricks for this guy's name? ) + Show Spoiler +
Seems very rational to me. Got some more discussion other then the back and forth between me, Mataza and VisceraEyes. Seems very pro-town to me, but once again, your best friends can sometimes be your worst enemies. I'm not very suspicious of him.
nard + Show Spoiler +Kind of interesting. This guy has posted three times. Once to remind us all that it's too early to start making conclusions about Mataza, one that reminds us all that we have 48 hours before we have to make a decision and to take some time, and finally one that answers some suspicions on his first post, and saying he's not too suspicious of Mataza, and suspicous of me and Viscera (more Viscera). I don't know what this means, but IF we find out that Mataza is indeed a Mafia, I believe this guy is probably a cohort based on his behind-the-scenes support for the guy. I'm a bit suspicious of him. Palmar: + Show Spoiler +
Has mostly mentioned inactives and getting some debate going on that topic. He may just be curious. That said, he was the first one to mention and notice Nard's post on being saying it was difficult to post the first time. Hasen't really added a lot of real content, but I believe he's pro-town. Only the minutest amount of suspicion.
hiro protagonist + Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 02:58 hiro protagonist wrote:
Its true that lurking round is a good place for scum to hide, as there is little evidence to indict them. how ever all but 3 of us have posted and I doubt that ALL of the inactives will be scum...
best bet is a scum has already posted, so we should try to sniff em out! If we don't have a good lead by tomorrow, then we should ask the lurkers to step up and explain themselves... That's his only post. Unfortunately, we don't get any background info on what country he lives in, so we can't analyse when he'll post. Unfortunate :/ The fact that he did add SOMETHING (scum have probably posted) shows he MIGHT be pro-town in his behavior. Don't know what to think on him due to inactivity. EDIT: Okay, he just posted another one that added a bit more content, so I moved him down here. Basically listing his suspicions. Seem's a bit more mafia now to be honest based on his bandwagonning to everyone else, but he may just agree with some people. EDIT: Yes, this is my first time EVER playing mafia, so this is a new experience for me. i'm gonna be interested to see if anything else develops.
No editing, consider yourself warned, this is the only spot in the forums where you can get away with double and even triple posting ^_^
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Yo people
I see that people have started voting now, around 16 hours before deadline. This is not good people. Unvoting is very suspucious and there is still plenty of time for people to provide material to analyze. Of course some claim to do it for the sake of discussion but I still think that this is very bad. In addition to this I do not think that any of these votes are currently well founded, they are wild accusations at best.
I also think that it is bad that people have removed focus from Mataza. While he might not be scum this town has him very much under control. He is very active and has agreed to answer every question directed at him. These are very useful qualities for town to find in a player, no matter if he is scum or townie. We should have tried to use these qualities to hunt scum.
I would love to have waited with this post until GiygaS next post but lets just go ahead and do some analysis.
I do not think that Mataza is harmful for this town just yet. He is under control so far, I would like him to be more harmful for the Mafia though. So I ask this:
@Mataza : With the information available to you now, who would you lynch if you should lynch the player you think is most likely to be Scum?
So I'm going to go ahead and do something that VisceraEyes has done several time. Point fingers at some random person for the sake of discussion. And this random person is going to be VisceraEyes himself. Some reasons (so it's not entirely random who I am pointing fingers at) for this:
1. He was the first person who point fingers at others. While he might have done this for the sake of discussion, I think that mostly scum would do this early on in the game. Townies would consider how the other person might be a townie and how unfounded accusations might harm the town, even if you made it clear that they are unfounded.
2. He is often analyzing his own actions. This is something I think you would (should) mainly do when you are scum. There is nothing to fear as a townie, only thing you have to consider is how the town can benefit the most from your actions. While we would all like to survive this game I think this is done best by being honest and only analytical of the actions of potential scum.
3. He has just something I would deem crazy to do if you were a townie. He suddenly said "this guy I have been bashing all game long, maybe he's not scum so I'm just gonna vote for someone and provide very limited rationale for this". This is not only very scum-like in my eyes, it is also harmful to the town.
@VisceraEyes : Do you think that it is beneficial for the town that you suddenly make a 180 in letting Mataza off the hook and go full force against stefftastiq?
Another player who has struck me as harmful to the town is Palmar. He has recently used some very questionable rhetorics to defend Mataza, and while it might be good that Mataza is not lynched, questionable rhetorics are always harmful to town. But on the other hand he also appears to be a very strong player who the town can make good use of later on, so maybe it is just a question of getting him under control 
@Palmar : Why do you think Mataza is "innocent as a newborn baby"? Gutfeeling is not an acceptable answer
Think that was it for now. I will try to vote around 4 hours before deadline. Finals notes on what I think all townies should currently be aware of:
Lurking townies make it possible for scum to play lurker style too. I think everybody should get up and post some analysis, if you are a townie this is absolutely the best thing you can do. We still missing a couple of you but this is making the game very much harder for town!
I would consider any of the prospective modkills (Skrammen, Wunder) showing up in the nick of time to cast crucial votes for the lynching VERY suspicious. Even if they decide to show up now I think they will be very harmful to town if they don't post a lot in a very short amount of time.
It is very good to have people under control; the more they post the more we can ask questions and the more we can make ourselves sure that someone is scum/townie. We will probably have two modkills but maybe it will be beneficial to town to lynch one of the least active players, to set an example, to make the game more fun, to maybe hit a lurking scum!
Oh yeah and GiygaS; my nick is "purple haze" without any vowels or spaces
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@purplehaze... you're an idiot, but you're not scum, or at least you're not an obvious scum. But your last post and suspicions towards Mataza are really forcing me to do something I did not want to do. VisEyes already quoted this but I'm apparently gonna have to do so as well.
On May 16 2011 12:11 Mataza wrote:
At first i thought I would claim cop openly, but then I remembered that I just once saw a game where that ever worked. And boy how often it does not work.
For the time being, I suggest we treat this game as if it was setup 4, with 9 vanilla no cop no doc.
There are times to claim cop, but there are no times to claim doc.
You see that? And now the mafia is bound to notice too, which is why I was hoping a strongly worded post would be enough to clear Mataza of suspicions.
Hopefully Mataza will come in and tell us that this was a mistake, he is not the cop. If he does that I'll completely renounce my stance of him being innocent, and treat him as every other villager.
But until he clears this up, we will treat him as a potential cop. Now the mafia is bound to shoot him in the first night anyway, but there is no reason for us to do the mafia's job.
@DeepBlu2: you mention Giyg attacking two people? Who is the other one? I thought all his posts were mostly directed at Mataza? But then again, I sometimes can't even understand what Giyg is saying... so I might be wrong. Please explain your defense.
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Back @ prp
Who would I lynch? Good question. So far I behaved very provocative without telling much in hope a scum would slip clearly. There might be slips, but they are not obvious. Also it is harder to stay objective when being focussed thern I thought. I can´t say for sure just yet.
But I will begin working on my cases now 
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I feel it appropriate to respond to you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this game is all about what people say. With this, we can certainly deduce that quotes are important, yes? I have not twisted anyone's thinking thus far, I have not accused anyone. I have merely said "Well, what about this?" When have I turned against Viscera? The only reason I'm even suspecting them is because they are the only ones with enough content to analyse. No, I wasn't the first one to attack Mataza either, it WAS Viscera, who indeed targeted me in his post as well (A bit, not too much). How have I been sly BTW, is when i'm pretty up-front about things? Now, I didn't use quotes or responses here to defend myself (Which I have never actually really had to do yet except once, good sample size). While the fact you have really only written 2 paragraphs, and are already blaming people is a bit scummy to me. That said, I don't think you're Mafia.
JOKE: I wouldn't suspect Mataza as my biggest threat if I was Mafia, because he can't even spell my name right. At least you can't spell his.
On May 17 2011 19:53 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Upon further review, I believe that Mataza is not mafia. He posted earlier that in order for the Mafia to thrive and be successful, they must lay low. However, he has done quite the opposite and I am starting to think that his "defense" isn't an overreaction to being Mafia but instead just trying to have justice served by having us vote the actual mafia members. I do believe, however, that the correct mafia member is none other than Glygas. Being sly in his ways, he has tricked people to vote against Matiza who he must believe is his biggest threat. Glygas has turned against the two most active players looking to seek justice for the Town in my eyes. He has been accusing people constantly and the time he has defended himself, he just used quotes or responses that were not though out which makes it very hard to find hard evidence.
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On May 17 2011 22:56 Mataza wrote:Back @ prp Who would I lynch? Good question. So far I behaved very provocative without telling much in hope a scum would slip clearly. There might be slips, but they are not obvious. Also it is harder to stay objective when being focussed thern I thought. I can´t say for sure just yet. But I will begin working on my cases now
Now I mean this as only I tiny bit of suspicion, but wouldn't that also imply: " I need to talk to my scum mates, so I'll get back to you on that one?"
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Explanation. I considered claiming cop even before I knew my alignment or role. If the game revolved heavily around roles like cop or doc it is not always a bad idea to claim cop. You get reactions, and until someone else also claims cop also authority. This gives structure to townplay and will lead to roleblocks or nightkills on you, wasting night actions on a simple townie or maybe even a doc save.
Sounds good on paper.
The disadvantage of course are heavy. Next to nobody thinks of these options and town will most likely push suspicion on you, the real cop will do that the hardest, giving himself away.
That means if town overreacts, you not only miss a lynch but mafia gets a freehit on the real cop at night. It´s highly hypothethical now since it didn´t happen.
My comments on possible mafia behaviour were meant to taunt mafia into activity. Mafia who post heavily are prone to slipping, for example if they mix up real logic with scum logic. It might have worked, we need to analyze specific people to get any of that.
Longer analysis posts coming soon.
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While I would've preferred "No, I'm not the cop" I will accept this for now.
This also means I renounce all my previous claims that Mataza was innocent.
I mean, I still have problems with the way you post, that post was made after the game started, so you must've known your role by then. In general lying as a townie is a bad idea, and given your previous experience you should really know that...
I expect you to step up your play and be more consistent.
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The problem is, we have remember that it could very well be Setup 2. With no cops or docs.
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FoS Giygas.
All his posts:+ Show Spoiler +On May 16 2011 14:46 GiygaS wrote:
I agree. Everyone should make a short little post, so we can immmediately get some background info on each person. If we get lucky, we may catch a Mafia (who knows :D) On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 16 2011 12:52 Mataza wrote:lynch and night kill. It means two people die between days. First day we are 12, and on day 4 we will be 6. If we never catch a maf, we lose then, because to vote we need to be more than 50% Townies. I think I overestimated my town  Captain obvious also says: flamewheel91 is the Town Coach. Caller is the Mafia Coach. Qatol is the Neutral Coach. Asking the very basic questions is spam that doesn´t get us any information, which is anti town behaviour. I bet you 5 dollar that at least 1 mafia guy will pretend to not understand how the game works, if we keep asking dumb questions. We have Coaches for questions. After rereading this post, I have a question for Mataza. At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that? Mhm, and you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. If you wanted someone to go off the path of finding the mafia, you would say that the strategy they would perform would be completely opposite to what you were doing. Also, you were the first one to make basic rules to know HE IS THE MAFIA. On May 17 2011 00:20 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
@nard
Here's the thing...there might be special roles in the game; we don't know that there aren't. We're merely operating under the assumption that there are no PRs because until there's a special circumstance, there's no way to know otherwise.
At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). If you'll direct your attention to the post in question, it's clear that I'm just trying to clarify Mataza's intentions. I actually think my post is to blame for people saying trigger-happy, as mine says HE IS THE MAFIA in all caps. Now I meant this jokingly, but it could have been taken as trigger happy. But, I do want Mayaza to answer our various questions. On May 17 2011 02:31 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 02:02 hiro protagonist wrote:good morning team. first timer here. I agree, this is off to a good start. there is no reason to suspect anyone right now, as there is very little to go on, so its a little wait and see I agree with VisceraEyes, its important to ask alot of questions. I will want clarifications on posts I find suspicious, and please do the same for me! What do you think of the whole inactive debate? I think first day we should give them a break, but as they are more and more inactive we may want to infer scummyness. Also, its boring when people don't actually play :-P On May 17 2011 03:51 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 02:49 Mataza wrote:On May 17 2011 00:20 GiygaS wrote:On May 16 2011 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
@nard
Here's the thing...there might be special roles in the game; we don't know that there aren't. We're merely operating under the assumption that there are no PRs because until there's a special circumstance, there's no way to know otherwise.
At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). If you'll direct your attention to the post in question, it's clear that I'm just trying to clarify Mataza's intentions. I actually think my post is to blame for people saying trigger-happy, as mine says HE IS THE MAFIA in all caps. Now I meant this jokingly, but it could have been taken as trigger happy. But, I do want Mayaza to answer our various questions. I am curious what these various questions. So far I only gathered one: "Tell us why you´re/you´re not mafia!" I very well might be mafia, as everyone of you might be mafia too. But I can´t go ahead and tell you my plans before half the people posted, because then these plans wouldn´t work.(Since mafia would know what to do or what not to do.) About the inactives: Dependant on the number of inactives, it´s not a bad idea to lynch them. Low activity means they aren´t really helping the town and therefore it´s not a big loss. We wouldn´t lose any amount of discussion. But we can´t do that right now, because a) the day isn´t nearly over and b) there are too many. But people who do not post/do no vote are modkilled at the end of the cycle. I want you to respond to what I've said. I'll quote everything we've "asked you" right now: + Show Spoiler +On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that?
On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote:
you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. If you wanted someone to go off the path of finding the mafia, you would say that the strategy they would perform would be completely opposite to what you were doing.
On May 17 2011 08:06 GiygaS wrote:
Hey guys, just ogt home form school from my 1 hour trip. :/
I am now Gigays, okay. Also, Mataza, when did I defend VisceraEyes. I only have asked you to answer our questions, that's it. If there was ever an accusation, I would never go, but Viscera didn't do that, etc. To clarify something: Why say something if you think it would just WISOM? Is it to confuse all of us?
Anyway, I kind of FoS you, as you've really been the only one anyone can :/ Seriously people, TALK!
P.S. To anyone who actually knows what GiygaS is: NESSNESSNESSNESSNESS On May 17 2011 12:30 GiygaS wrote:Finally, more then 3 people talking! Welcome to the game prp and nard, nice to see some europeans now. Inactives:2 Guys we haven't seen, may get modkilled. Can't make an opinion on them yet. Karshe: + Show Spoiler +
Hasen't really posted anything good at all. Might get modkilled, I don't know about him.
stefftastiq: + Show Spoiler +
Hasen't posted much but a brief "hello". Mentionned something about people being trigger-happy. I'm a tad suspicious as he should have posted again by now.
Deepblu2 + Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 05:41 DeepBlu2 wrote:
I am here. This is off to a good start. I am active..Not sure who I think atm. On May 17 2011 11:57 DeepBlu2 wrote:
I'm leaning towards Mataza at the moment. I'm not positive yet but just the fact he's defending himself so aggressively and has been caught with a couple of contradictions while blaming others as well. I'm going to be keep looking at his posts but he's my only suspect currently. I'm not saying it's definitely Mataza just the way he's handling himself is very defensive. Deepblu just posted so I haven't really had a chance to analyse his most recent post, but I'll give it a shot. His first post detailed how he's indeed "active" and he's formulating an opinion. Initially a bit scummy, if he hadn't posted anything, but he has now, so that lowers a bit of his suspicion. Based on his recent entry, he's leaning towards Mataza, based on his defensive stance. Overall, hasen't really produced much content, so I can't really say much about him. Mataza + Show Spoiler +Now, this guy seems a bit scummy to me, PROBABLY the most so far. The reasons have been brought up already: - He's implying he wants to become A leader of the town (maybe so he can control people? I don't know) - He is very defensive about his spot, very resilient to abandon anything. I don't know if this means he's mafia, but a person who goes out his way to say he's innocent seems a bit guilty :/ - Mentioned how many days Mafia has to stay alive. Good just be some helpful math. - HOWEVER after all this, he said he puts himself officially on trial. And he will only answer questions specifically asked at him. This implies he knows he has done wrong and wants to get a bit out of the spotlight. This is most likely because he's tired of constantly defending himself, but it could also be that he's Mafia and wants to sink back in to the shadows. I'm a bit suspicious of him. Also, he's got my name wrong twice now (it's not gigays, or gigas, it's giygas ) VisceraEyes: + Show Spoiler +
Got into Mataza as soon as the game begun, might just because he wants activity. The fact he HAS been avoiding questions to attack Mataza some more, which may imply he's trying to avoid them so that he doesn't have any answers. Don't know what I think of him, a bit suspicious.
prplhz (anyone got tricks for this guy's name? ) + Show Spoiler +
Seems very rational to me. Got some more discussion other then the back and forth between me, Mataza and VisceraEyes. Seems very pro-town to me, but once again, your best friends can sometimes be your worst enemies. I'm not very suspicious of him.
nard + Show Spoiler +Kind of interesting. This guy has posted three times. Once to remind us all that it's too early to start making conclusions about Mataza, one that reminds us all that we have 48 hours before we have to make a decision and to take some time, and finally one that answers some suspicions on his first post, and saying he's not too suspicious of Mataza, and suspicous of me and Viscera (more Viscera). I don't know what this means, but IF we find out that Mataza is indeed a Mafia, I believe this guy is probably a cohort based on his behind-the-scenes support for the guy. I'm a bit suspicious of him. Palmar: + Show Spoiler +
Has mostly mentioned inactives and getting some debate going on that topic. He may just be curious. That said, he was the first one to mention and notice Nard's post on being saying it was difficult to post the first time. Hasen't really added a lot of real content, but I believe he's pro-town. Only the minutest amount of suspicion.
hiro protagonist + Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 02:58 hiro protagonist wrote:
Its true that lurking round is a good place for scum to hide, as there is little evidence to indict them. how ever all but 3 of us have posted and I doubt that ALL of the inactives will be scum...
best bet is a scum has already posted, so we should try to sniff em out! If we don't have a good lead by tomorrow, then we should ask the lurkers to step up and explain themselves... That's his only post. Unfortunately, we don't get any background info on what country he lives in, so we can't analyse when he'll post. Unfortunate :/ The fact that he did add SOMETHING (scum have probably posted) shows he MIGHT be pro-town in his behavior. Don't know what to think on him due to inactivity. EDIT: Okay, he just posted another one that added a bit more content, so I moved him down here. Basically listing his suspicions. Seem's a bit more mafia now to be honest based on his bandwagonning to everyone else, but he may just agree with some people. EDIT: Yes, this is my first time EVER playing mafia, so this is a new experience for me. i'm gonna be interested to see if anything else develops. On May 17 2011 12:35 GiygaS wrote:Even if I note EDIT? And the post mentionned editing when it was posting. Sorry, it's already been done D: On May 17 2011 12:50 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 12:44 Varpulis wrote:
EBWOP: the reason for this is that editing allows players to alter the information that the rest of the town can use to analyze you.
For example, Imagine that I'm one of the mafia, and I post a scumlist, then check through the thread again and see that nobody else thinks that Node is scum, If i were allowed to edit, I could delete Node from my scumlist and fit in better with the town, and nobody will be able to point out later that I was suspicious of Node.
Do you understand why we don't allow editing? Yeah, sorry. What can I do now though? Won't do it again BTW. On May 17 2011 15:46 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 14:58 Mataza wrote:
Lol Karshe. Giygass having done a great job of all people?
I do state the obvious since this is a newbie game. And since the very beginning I had the feeling that some people do not know how this really works.
I also "defend" myself as people are requesting answers for questions that they don´t write. I especially like "various questions". Giygass requests answers for nonsensical questions.
Viscera took what I said and distorted it. His point on me provoking wifom is wrong.
I urge you to reread that.
I will make my cases later in the day. It´s 8 in the morning over here, gotta get busy. Are you writing my name wrong on purpose. Seriously. On my demanding answers to nonsensical questions, how is asking you: + Show Spoiler +- On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that?
To which you respond "Oh, I wanted to know how many times we can fail." - What is your thoughts on this sentence: On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote:
Mhm, and you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. To which you responded with a link to this thing call WIFOM. And all I could think about at this point in time is then; "Why did you say that in the first place"On the point of you bashing Karshe, he never said I was doing a great job, of say generating content. He said I was doing a great job of generating discussion. My intent throughout that afternoon.I even said: + Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 02:31 GiygaS wrote:
Also, its boring when people don't actually play :-P Finally, I re-read Viscera's point on me, where he says: + Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Feels green except for how quickly he jumped on Mata after I even hinted at a reddish hue. This immediately AFTER a very friendly post encouraging people to post. Left me thinking 'Why, so you could immediately CAPSLOCKMAFIA them like Mata? Watch carefully.
Actually, I didn't call him the mafia in all caps. this is actually what I said: + Show Spoiler +On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote:
Mhm, and you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. If you wanted someone to go off the path of finding the mafia, you would say that the strategy they would perform would be completely opposite to what you were doing. Also, you were the first one to make basic rules to know HE IS THE MAFIA. Now notice here that I said "Also, you were the first one to make basic rules to know HE IS THE MAFIA". By this, I meant that I was imagining people screaming at each other: "HE LIED LOW HE IS THE MAFIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" etc etc. When I realized that these words, especially the capital letters, were indeed misunderstood, i made a brief apology. So when if ever, did I CAPSLOCKMAFIA Mata? On May 17 2011 23:02 GiygaS wrote:I feel it appropriate to respond to you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this game is all about what people say. With this, we can certainly deduce that quotes are important, yes? I have not twisted anyone's thinking thus far, I have not accused anyone. I have merely said "Well, what about this?" When have I turned against Viscera? The only reason I'm even suspecting them is because they are the only ones with enough content to analyse. No, I wasn't the first one to attack Mataza either, it WAS Viscera, who indeed targeted me in his post as well (A bit, not too much). How have I been sly BTW, is when i'm pretty up-front about things? Now, I didn't use quotes or responses here to defend myself (Which I have never actually really had to do yet except once, good sample size). While the fact you have really only written 2 paragraphs, and are already blaming people is a bit scummy to me. That said, I don't think you're Mafia. JOKE: I wouldn't suspect Mataza as my biggest threat if I was Mafia, because he can't even spell my name right. At least you can't spell his. Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 19:53 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Upon further review, I believe that Mataza is not mafia. He posted earlier that in order for the Mafia to thrive and be successful, they must lay low. However, he has done quite the opposite and I am starting to think that his "defense" isn't an overreaction to being Mafia but instead just trying to have justice served by having us vote the actual mafia members. I do believe, however, that the correct mafia member is none other than Glygas. Being sly in his ways, he has tricked people to vote against Matiza who he must believe is his biggest threat. Glygas has turned against the two most active players looking to seek justice for the Town in my eyes. He has been accusing people constantly and the time he has defended himself, he just used quotes or responses that were not though out which makes it very hard to find hard evidence.
On May 17 2011 23:04 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 22:56 Mataza wrote:Back @ prp Who would I lynch? Good question. So far I behaved very provocative without telling much in hope a scum would slip clearly. There might be slips, but they are not obvious. Also it is harder to stay objective when being focussed thern I thought. I can´t say for sure just yet. But I will begin working on my cases now Now I mean this as only I tiny bit of suspicion, but wouldn't that also imply: " I need to talk to my scum mates, so I'll get back to you on that one?"
At first I assumed he was simply a colossal sheep, but his last posts changed this for me. He distances himself from being the first one fossing me. + Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 23:02 GiygaS wrote:I feel it appropriate to respond to you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this game is all about what people say. With this, we can certainly deduce that quotes are important, yes? I have not twisted anyone's thinking thus far, I have not accused anyone. I have merely said "Well, what about this?" When have I turned against Viscera? The only reason I'm even suspecting them is because they are the only ones with enough content to analyse. No, I wasn't the first one to attack Mataza either, it WAS Viscera, who indeed targeted me in his post as well (A bit, not too much). How have I been sly BTW, is when i'm pretty up-front about things? Now, I didn't use quotes or responses here to defend myself (Which I have never actually really had to do yet except once, good sample size). While the fact you have really only written 2 paragraphs, and are already blaming people is a bit scummy to me. That said, I don't think you're Mafia.JOKE: I wouldn't suspect Mataza as my biggest threat if I was Mafia, because he can't even spell my name right. At least you can't spell his. Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 19:53 DeepBlu2 wrote:
Upon further review, I believe that Mataza is not mafia. He posted earlier that in order for the Mafia to thrive and be successful, they must lay low. However, he has done quite the opposite and I am starting to think that his "defense" isn't an overreaction to being Mafia but instead just trying to have justice served by having us vote the actual mafia members. I do believe, however, that the correct mafia member is none other than Glygas. Being sly in his ways, he has tricked people to vote against Matiza who he must believe is his biggest threat. Glygas has turned against the two most active players looking to seek justice for the Town in my eyes. He has been accusing people constantly and the time he has defended himself, he just used quotes or responses that were not though out which makes it very hard to find hard evidence.
He is still hiding behind Viscera and his reasoning even after Viscera dropped his FoS against me. If he was town I would expect him to come up with his own reasoning and standing up for it.
Also note that he casts suspicion right back at deepblu. The best thing yet, he is scummy because of having suspicions after only writing 2 paragraphs. He then immediately takes it back.
Purpose of that:
None/inflating post length; for town
Inflating post length/casting suspicion on someone; for mafia
Even better, why is having an opinion after 2 paragraphs scummy? Because I said so. I said, often quoted, that laying low is what mafia should do.
Also this is an immediate response to being called mafia by deepblu.
My second point is the question affair. It annoys me to hell.
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
@nard
Here's the thing...there might be special roles in the game; we don't know that there aren't. We're merely operating under the assumption that there are no PRs because until there's a special circumstance, there's no way to know otherwise.
At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). If you'll direct your attention to the post in question, it's clear that I'm just trying to clarify Mataza's intentions.
I actually think my post is to blame for people saying trigger-happy, as mine says HE IS THE MAFIA in all caps. Now I meant this jokingly, but it could have been taken as trigger happy. But, I do want Mayaza to answer our various questions. Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 02:49 Mataza wrote:On May 17 2011 00:20 GiygaS wrote:On May 16 2011 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
@nard
Here's the thing...there might be special roles in the game; we don't know that there aren't. We're merely operating under the assumption that there are no PRs because until there's a special circumstance, there's no way to know otherwise.
At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). If you'll direct your attention to the post in question, it's clear that I'm just trying to clarify Mataza's intentions. I actually think my post is to blame for people saying trigger-happy, as mine says HE IS THE MAFIA in all caps. Now I meant this jokingly, but it could have been taken as trigger happy. But, I do want Mayaza to answer our various questions. I am curious what these various questions. So far I only gathered one: "Tell us why you´re/you´re not mafia!" I very well might be mafia, as everyone of you might be mafia too. But I can´t go ahead and tell you my plans before half the people posted, because then these plans wouldn´t work.(Since mafia would know what to do or what not to do.) About the inactives: Dependant on the number of inactives, it´s not a bad idea to lynch them. Low activity means they aren´t really helping the town and therefore it´s not a big loss. We wouldn´t lose any amount of discussion. But we can´t do that right now, because a) the day isn´t nearly over and b) there are too many. But people who do not post/do no vote are modkilled at the end of the cycle. I want you to respond to what I've said. I'll quote everything we've "asked you" right now: + Show Spoiler +On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that?
On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote:
you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. If you wanted someone to go off the path of finding the mafia, you would say that the strategy they would perform would be completely opposite to what you were doing.
Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 14:58 Mataza wrote:
Lol Karshe. Giygass having done a great job of all people?
I do state the obvious since this is a newbie game. And since the very beginning I had the feeling that some people do not know how this really works.
I also "defend" myself as people are requesting answers for questions that they don´t write. I especially like "various questions". Giygass requests answers for nonsensical questions.
Viscera took what I said and distorted it. His point on me provoking wifom is wrong.
I urge you to reread that.
I will make my cases later in the day. It´s 8 in the morning over here, gotta get busy. Are you writing my name wrong on purpose. Seriously. On my demanding answers to nonsensical questions, how is asking you: + Show Spoiler +- On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that?
To which you respond "Oh, I wanted to know how many times we can fail." - What is your thoughts on this sentence: On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote:
Mhm, and you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. To which you responded with a link to this thing call WIFOM. And all I could think about at this point in time is then; "Why did you say that in the first place"
Aren´t those 2 very great questions?
Imagine you were asked these. Especially the mafia behaviour question. Would your answer be conclusive for anything?
You might be mafia so why don´t you behave exactly the opposite?
Now if you would ask yourself this question, you would notice it´s not a really good question.
You want hard evidence as town. This is not the least bit hard evidence.
Giygas however takes it very seriously. It is scary to him, very scary indeed.
He assumes it is scary to everyone else. That´s why keeps asking this question.
Third point:
Blatant Blaming
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 23:04 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 22:56 Mataza wrote:Back @ prp Who would I lynch? Good question. So far I behaved very provocative without telling much in hope a scum would slip clearly. There might be slips, but they are not obvious. Also it is harder to stay objective when being focussed thern I thought. I can´t say for sure just yet. But I will begin working on my cases now Now I mean this as only I tiny bit of suspicion, but wouldn't that also imply: " I need to talk to my scum mates, so I'll get back to you on that one?"
Why not just drop it and just say Mataza is mafia.
My conclusion:
He is talking a lot, quoting a whole lot, but not really thinking a lot. He recycles old posts a lot and. His own post content is chaotic and not getting anywhere. He got very defensive against deepblu, ending with casting a suspicion on him, taking it back and then trying to make a joke at the end.
Giygas is mafia.
##vote Giygas
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Added benefit: Quoting gets a whole lot easier if the person you are quoting does not contain half the thread in any given post.
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I see no reason we should worrying about the game set up on Day 1, since we have no way of knowing what game type we're playing.
I, too, questioned Mataza's early cop claim, but was hesitant to bring light to it. I'm not sure I buy your reasoning, and there's always LAL (lynch all liars).
I'm not convinced you're mafia yet, but I'll be keeping an eye on your posts.
Taking a look at others, I am growing increasingly suspicious of Palmar.
On May 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
I'm more worried about the quiet people, it's only been 13 hours or so, but we're still missing half the town in the action.
If people don't post people don't make mistakes. So please type in a few sentences so we know you're alive
Getting easy town cred while not really contributing and just saying, "where is everyone?"
On May 17 2011 02:50 Palmar wrote:
Why would it take effort to create a first post? Even if you say something completely retarded it's fine as long as you have nothing to hide. Barring revealing a blue power role, anything you say in your first post will just be that... a simple first post.
Not contributing.
Then, his most eye raising act, he then takes it upon himself to defend Mataza, the town's biggest point of discussion, while pointing a completely random finger away from Mataza. And I mean, he really defends Mataza.
My only concern is if both Mataza and Palmar were scum, Palmar wouldn't be defending Mataza so blantantly (and oddly). I'll be keeping an eye on your posts as well.
To finish with: I am still not sold on Gigyas being scum, but it may be at this point that I'm just taking Mataza's posts with a grain of salt. I will re-read Gigyas' posts in a bit with an open mind.
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On May 17 2011 22:04 Palmar wrote:
@purplehaze... you're an idiot, but you're not scum, or at least you're not an obvious scum.
There's no need for that. This a openly a noobie game, many of us are still learning the ropes... there's no need for name calling. All it will do is discourage further posting and create a negative atmosphere. We're all here to have fun lynching mafia, right?
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