EPTi can imagine there are still some people thinking about what they could include in their first post which is not completely trivial - took me a while as well :p
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nard
Germany124 Posts
i can imagine there are still some people thinking about what they could include in their first post which is not completely trivial - took me a while as well :p | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On May 17 2011 02:02 hiro protagonist wrote: good morning team. first timer here. I agree, this is off to a good start. there is no reason to suspect anyone right now, as there is very little to go on, so its a little wait and see  I agree with VisceraEyes, its important to ask alot of questions. I will want clarifications on posts I find suspicious, and please do the same for me!What do you think of the whole inactive debate? I think first day we should give them a break, but as they are more and more inactive we may want to infer scummyness. Also, its boring when people don't actually play :-P | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On May 17 2011 00:20 GiygaS wrote: I actually think my post is to blame for people saying trigger-happy, as mine says HE IS THE MAFIA in all caps. Now I meant this jokingly, but it could have been taken as trigger happy. But, I do want Mayaza to answer our various questions. I am curious what these various questions. So far I only gathered one: "Tell us why you´re/you´re not mafia!" I very well might be mafia, as everyone of you might be mafia too. But I can´t go ahead and tell you my plans before half the people posted, because then these plans wouldn´t work.(Since mafia would know what to do or what not to do.) About the inactives: Dependant on the number of inactives, it´s not a bad idea to lynch them. Low activity means they aren´t really helping the town and therefore it´s not a big loss. We wouldn´t lose any amount of discussion. But we can´t do that right now, because a) the day isn´t nearly over and b) there are too many. But people who do not post/do no vote are modkilled at the end of the cycle. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On May 17 2011 02:25 nard wrote: dont forget we have an 48hour day cycle, so there is still plenty of time for everybody to post. i can imagine there are still some people thinking about what they could include in their first post which is not completely trivial - took me a while as well :p I don't quite understand that logic... Why would it take effort to create a first post? Even if you say something completely retarded it's fine as long as you have nothing to hide. Barring revealing a blue power role, anything you say in your first post will just be that... a simple first post. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
best bet is a scum has already posted, so we should try to sniff em out! If we don't have a good lead by tomorrow, then we should ask the lurkers to step up and explain themselves... | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I think he takes his posts very serious and deduces from himself to others. Kind of a nonquestion. While we are at nonsense, let´s talk about noncontent posts. On May 16 2011 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote: At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). Or does he? I could understand that he is doing the same as me, trying to not be the sole active player, which means guaranteed death night 1. But is he really that active? Here all his posts of day 1 in order + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2011 11:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, how should we go about doing this? A little birdie told me that at the end of the day, someone's gotta die. Who's it gonna be and why? On May 16 2011 14:16 VisceraEyes wrote: It's entirely possible that AT LEAST one mafia guy WON'T understand how the game works, but according to that math, that would make at least THREE townies that DON'T understand how the game works. I don't think we should try and cast a scummy light on people trying to learn to play the game. It's a NEWBIE game after all. That being said, I DO think we should try and actively analyze posts and make the best selection for our lynch as I've NEVER condoned random lynching. On May 16 2011 15:06 VisceraEyes wrote: You guys are reading my mind. Talking will be key here. I'm going to go ahead and give you guys a general overview of how I'll be approaching this game. First of all, it's a GAME. I'll be playing. You'll be playing. We'll be playing together. These are good, happy things. If I FoS (Finger of Suspicion) you, please don't get offended. I'm sure people will be pointing a finger or two at me, and that's just fine. As I have nothing to hide, I'll generally react with interest and intrigue more than anger and concern. I ask that out of courtesy, you guys do the same. I'll analyze EVERY SINGLE post you make, and I please urge you to do the same to me. We've got to find killers here, people! They're not gonna find themselves. Also, just so everyone's aware, I'll be most active in the later evening and will be virtually invisible from early-morning to early-evening. I'm not lurking during those times, I'm genuinely not close to a computer. On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote: After rereading this post, I have a question for Mataza. At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that? On May 16 2011 17:05 VisceraEyes wrote: @steff Welcome to town! While I have reservations about Mataza myself, calling him trigger-happy is possibly unfair. We have to lynch someone today regardless, that's just a rule. It's our job to make sure it's someone nice and scummy.  On May 16 2011 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote: @nard Here's the thing...there might be special roles in the game; we don't know that there aren't. We're merely operating under the assumption that there are no PRs because until there's a special circumstance, there's no way to know otherwise. At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). If you'll direct your attention to the post in question, it's clear that I'm just trying to clarify Mataza's intentions. On May 17 2011 01:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Welcome Karshe, good morning everyone. I shall refrain from unduly assigning suspicion to anyone until we've heard from most everyone. For the record, I don't condone policy lynching inactives...but if someone is VERY inactive in posting, but still makes it in for their one post per cycle and voting, inactivity starts to appear scummy to me. I hope no one is offended by my initial analysis, I'm just trying to spark up conversation. More conversation = more stuff to read over and over. I like to read stuff over and over. :D Especially 2 things: Analysis+ Show Spoiler + That being said, I DO think we should try and actively analyze posts and make the best selection for our lynch as I've NEVER condoned random lynching. I'll analyze EVERY SINGLE post you make, and I please urge you to do the same to me. We've got to find killers here, people! They're not gonna find themselves. I hope no one is offended by my initial analysis, I'm just trying to spark up conversation. More conversation = more stuff to read over and over. I like to read stuff over and over. :D Okay, how should we go about doing this? A little birdie told me that at the end of the day, someone's gotta die. Who's it gonna be and why? After rereading this post, I have a question for Mataza. At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that? @nard Here's the thing...there might be special roles in the game; we don't know that there aren't. We're merely operating under the assumption that there are no PRs because until there's a special circumstance, there's no way to know otherwise. At present, I'm not really badmouthing anyone. I'm asking questions. People asking questions aren't scummy, as asking questions is all we can really do (unless you count randomly pointing fingers). If you'll direct your attention to the post in question, it's clear that I'm just trying to clarify Mataza's intentions. He talks about questions and analysis but so far there is none of both. But he does talk about them. Also he says hello a lot. He greeted us all with a little rhyme. His last 3 posts where @nard, @steff and Welcome Karshe. It just struck me as very odd to claim doing stuff you don´t get around to do. Care to explain? | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On May 17 2011 02:49 Mataza wrote: I am curious what these various questions. So far I only gathered one: "Tell us why you´re/you´re not mafia!" I very well might be mafia, as everyone of you might be mafia too. But I can´t go ahead and tell you my plans before half the people posted, because then these plans wouldn´t work.(Since mafia would know what to do or what not to do.) About the inactives: Dependant on the number of inactives, it´s not a bad idea to lynch them. Low activity means they aren´t really helping the town and therefore it´s not a big loss. We wouldn´t lose any amount of discussion. But we can´t do that right now, because a) the day isn´t nearly over and b) there are too many. But people who do not post/do no vote are modkilled at the end of the cycle. I want you to respond to what I've said. I'll quote everything we've "asked you" right now: + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote: At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that? On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote: you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. If you wanted someone to go off the path of finding the mafia, you would say that the strategy they would perform would be completely opposite to what you were doing. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I've been keeping a written log of my thoughts on anyone who's posted anything of substance so far. Because of posts like yours and others concerned about undue suspicion, I've refrained from asking the questions I have. They're mostly questions of context and clarity, but I've kept them to myself as to not 'cause anyone to have any suspicion on them until we've heard from everyone'. If by doing only what I'm being asked to do makes me scummy, then by all means - continue this line of reasoning and see where it leads you. I understand you're suspecting me because I'm suspecting you (OMGUS) but that's all right. As I've said before, I have nothing to hide and you're entitled to your opinion. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm going to go ahead and FoS: Mataza simply for the sake of argument and discussion. I've already given VERY little of why I think he's slightly scummy, and I have more at home, but I'd like to see some active discussion about Mataza as I don't appear to be the only one with doubt at this point. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
That is one kind of circular logic often used. If I don´t defend myself, it´s because I can´t think of arguments because I know I am guilty. If I do defend myself, it´s because I need to defend myself because I am guilty. Personally I just wanted to see how you would react. Right now I have the most material on you, just like everyone else has mostly material on me. Also OMGUS is kind of a weak argument. Everyone who talked (besides maybe 2 guys who have 1 post so far) suspects me. We should begin discussing lynches, since the first day is half over. Right now the suspects are mainly me and myself because I wondered how many mislynches we have. That´s not really a good start, since for example if I get lynched and you get nightkilled, only gigays and palmar are left talking fo town. Mafia would keep talking to themselves via PMs and townchat dies. And one scummy question by me: Gigays seems to defend you without a second thought. I wonder how he is so sure you´re right. I would love to talk about people who don´t suspect me, but they don´t *talk* at all. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 16 2011 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote: At the beginning of a game, one starts to think about their goals. Your first act in this game was to count the minimum number of days before mafia wins under optimal circumstances. Why is that? On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote: you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. If you wanted someone to go off the path of finding the mafia, you would say that the strategy they would perform would be completely opposite to what you were doing. First I wanted to know how many mislynches we have. Second you can´t answer to wifom. If I say mafia must do x and I would be suspect if I do x and I would be suspect if I don´t do x because I said that mafia do x. If you want to bet your first lynch on wifom, go ahead. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Once there is anything substantial against me I can and will answer. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
AS I'm sure you're already aware and eager to point out, my last few posts have contained very little in the way of content aside from my FoS. I have no defense for this aside from my assurance that it's because my notes are at home on my computer...a hindrance I'm working to resolve as we speak. I could obviously paraphrase, having the material to read here...but I've already laid it out and would prefer to wait on my notes. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I just assumed because my name got used more than the letter "z" up til now. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
I am now Gigays, okay. Also, Mataza, when did I defend VisceraEyes. I only have asked you to answer our questions, that's it. If there was ever an accusation, I would never go, but Viscera didn't do that, etc. To clarify something: Why say something if you think it would just WISOM? Is it to confuse all of us? Anyway, I kind of FoS you, as you've really been the only one anyone can :/ Seriously people, TALK! P.S. To anyone who actually knows what GiygaS is: NESSNESSNESSNESSNESS | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I kinda get what GiygaS is saying, he's wondering why you went out of your way to point out something 'mafia is sure to do' knowing that you're also going out of your way (admittedly) to appear to do the opposite. You're just BEGGING someone to cry 'WIFOM' so you can say 'WIFOM, I don't fly that way my friend.' I didn't really catch that the first time, but it is awfully peculiar. Also, you seem to now be awfully set on painting me red when there are some inactives you've yet to accost for being 'not helpful to town' and 'useless'...why not wait until we've heard from everyone as you've been encouraging everyone else to do? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I was requested to answer the "various questions". I might as well cite myself, since I answered them the first time. Especially since the questions are "Why are you wondering how the game will work out" and "You mentioned a possible behaviour of mafia, why don´t you behave like that yourself?" Yes I said the latter question is wifom. And wifom has never a definite answer.+ Show Spoiler + If I am mafia, I would not behave like a mafia. But since you expect me to not behave like a mafia, I will behave like a mafia. But you can predict that I know you expect me to not behave like mafia I will behave like mafia. Wifom is circle logic. You might as well flip a coin to determine if I am mafia. I never said I really think you are mafia, I just wanted you to react to my accusations. Your reaction is to push suspicion on me even farther while postponing why you think that. Once again, slowly, so you catch on my train of logic: Wifom is baaad. Behavioural analysis is gooood. Y U NO ANALYZE? Also, I am sorry for misspelling gigas with y. I don´t know the meaning behind it and it looks hard to pronounce the way it is written. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
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