So I thought I'd share our music and ask for your opinions/feedback, it is greatly appreciated! Surely there's alot of metalheads here on TL =D
http://www.myspace.com/hakanhellstormmusic
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njtwkr
Sweden73 Posts
So I thought I'd share our music and ask for your opinions/feedback, it is greatly appreciated! Surely there's alot of metalheads here on TL =D http://www.myspace.com/hakanhellstormmusic | ||
darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On "Painting The World" I would continue that opening guitar motif and maybe try to make it flow into the rest of the song a bit more smoothly. On the other song, the opening sounds very sloppy, particularly the drumming. I'm not crazy about the drumming on either song TBH, but I think the production value makes him sound a lot worse than he is. adding some keyboards might make your sound a little bit fuller, some choral effects would fit in very nicely to some of these songs | ||
njtwkr
Sweden73 Posts
Well, I like how Painting is structured overall so that's not something I'd change. There are alot of mistakes and sloppy parts that we know of, but since we did this in our own freetime using our own resources, we simply didn't have the time we wanted to make it perfect. Keep in mind it's our first recordings! But I really appreciate the critique, good sir! Thanks alot =) | ||
Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
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njtwkr
Sweden73 Posts
Keep it up guys! ^^ | ||
Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
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njtwkr
Sweden73 Posts
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11538 Posts
they fuck with the song on so many levels Painting the World was great otherwise. The riffing on Berry of the Earth seems a bit off with the drumming in the beginning and the drumming is just a bit weak in general. Berry of the Earth slows down toward the middle, but doesn't have the doomy atmosphere of a band like Autopsy so it just ends up sounding very awkward. It isn't ok to repeat a boring riff for like 30 seconds :/ It might just be the (lack of) production, but the music sounds very hollow to me. TBH every death metal song should strive to be like this | ||
njtwkr
Sweden73 Posts
We obviously put in the "random melodic interludes" because we enjoy playing them and like them. Of course not everyone is going to like it tho. And one of the later riffs in Berry actually went on much longer than it was supposed to, we just realised it too late. And really, don't think you can compare a band formed 86' with a band that played for one year. Their sound isn't something I want to strive for either. But all in all, thanks again for the criticism, hope I don't sound too ignorant because I don't mean to. | ||
xLethargicax
United States469 Posts
On October 16 2010 12:24 njtwkr wrote: So what would you call it instead of death metal then? Not that I really care about labels or genres too much. We obviously put in the "random melodic interludes" because we enjoy playing them and like them. Of course not everyone is going to like it tho. And one of the later riffs in Berry actually went on much longer than it was supposed to, we just realised it too late. And really, don't think you can compare a band formed 86' with a band that played for one year. Their sound isn't something I want to strive for either. But all in all, thanks again for the criticism, hope I don't sound too ignorant because I don't mean to. As a symphonic composition major, I think you need to accept criticism better. You seem very defensive about each suggestion, we are just trying to help as by your request, and I see nothing destroy musicians more then conceited defense! I like it, there are a few parts that don't flow, and the production is pretty low, but production aside it sounds pretty solid. I think the drummer needs to work on timing a bit. A few specific suggestions ; on Berry of the Earth 0:38, I think the drums need more synchronization to the guitar. I.E. kick following guitar. To claim your influences are Meshuggah and Gojira, there is very little tech-y goodness, but like I said, overall it sounds fine. and I agree, thumbs down to immolation. I also think it's really strange he said every metal band should strive for the same sound... lol | ||
njtwkr
Sweden73 Posts
On October 16 2010 12:38 xLethargicax wrote: As a symphonic composition major, I think you need to accept criticism better. You seem very defensive about each suggestion, we are just trying to help as by your request, and I see nothing destroy musicians more then conceited defense! I like it, there are a few parts that don't flow, and the production is pretty low, but production aside it sounds pretty solid. I think the drummer needs to work on timing a bit. A few specific suggestions ; on Berry of the Earth 0:38, I think the drums need more synchronization to the guitar. I.E. kick following guitar. To claim your influences are Meshuggah and Gojira, there is very little tech-y goodness, but like I said, overall it sounds fine. and I agree, thumbs down to immolation. I also think it's really strange he said every metal band should strive for the same sound... lol Well saying we should remove parts just seems far beyond criticism But yeah I'm probably a very defensive person. Perhaps my responses seem like I don't care about what you guys say, but obviously I'm taking everything that has been said into consideration and such. I will definitely forward everything you said to our drummer! We obviously have a long way to go, and there's most likely alot more tech-y goodness coming up! :D You were very helpful, thanks a bunch. | ||
xarthaz
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arglactable
United States16 Posts
As for the melodic interludes, I think the key to those is always a smooth transition (something Opeth has been masterful at for years). So, while the outro of that section was quite well done, IMO, the intro was quite jarring coming straight from that (honestly kind of pointless) section with the pauses and whatnot in it. The opening for Berry of the Earth was a lot more solid, I think. The riff was a lot more interesting and you guys made a pretty nice transition to the vocals. The biggest thing I think this song suffers from is kind of monotonous repetition of the riffs, especially that sort of middle section which was actually pretty painful. Several things to come to mind as to making this work. One would be (referring specifically to that section) moving the riff around melodically (like up a scale, for instance). That would essentially allow you to repeat the riff without just... repeating it over and over again and would engage the listener far more. The other thing that helps is simply longer riffs. When the riff covers more of the song, you don't need to repeat it as many times to get the same effect (like under a vocal line). Oh, and your drum tone is a really strange to my ears, but I think your drummer is pretty solid all around (aside from some expected sloppiness here and there). All in all, I think you guys are off to a great start, and should definitely keep doing this stuff. You can never have too much excellent music out there. | ||
njtwkr
Sweden73 Posts
On October 17 2010 00:55 arglactable wrote: Hmmm... interesting stuff. With regards to the opening of Painting the world, this may be mostly a matter of personal preference, but I would recommend a bit more melodic variance in that riff (and a few of the others in the song). It just makes it more interesting. Especially when a lot of the riffs seem to be based on a similar pattern. As for the melodic interludes, I think the key to those is always a smooth transition (something Opeth has been masterful at for years). So, while the outro of that section was quite well done, IMO, the intro was quite jarring coming straight from that (honestly kind of pointless) section with the pauses and whatnot in it. The opening for Berry of the Earth was a lot more solid, I think. The riff was a lot more interesting and you guys made a pretty nice transition to the vocals. The biggest thing I think this song suffers from is kind of monotonous repetition of the riffs, especially that sort of middle section which was actually pretty painful. Several things to come to mind as to making this work. One would be (referring specifically to that section) moving the riff around melodically (like up a scale, for instance). That would essentially allow you to repeat the riff without just... repeating it over and over again and would engage the listener far more. The other thing that helps is simply longer riffs. When the riff covers more of the song, you don't need to repeat it as many times to get the same effect (like under a vocal line). Oh, and your drum tone is a really strange to my ears, but I think your drummer is pretty solid all around (aside from some expected sloppiness here and there). All in all, I think you guys are off to a great start, and should definitely keep doing this stuff. You can never have too much excellent music out there. Alot of valid points! Will definitely try to do something about the "middle section" since not alot of people seem to like it and a change is needed! Thanks alot for everything! | ||
d1v
Sweden868 Posts
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njtwkr
Sweden73 Posts
On October 17 2010 04:18 d1v wrote: Very nice work there! I for one love the middle section of "Painting the World" a lot. In my opinion, your melodies are your strongest feature and I'd love to hear more of it. You could maybe change the key up a bit more over the course of the song, but all in all, I really enjoyed these two songs! Thanks alot! Glad to see there's different opinions regarding the melodic interludes | ||
tofucake
Hyrule18924 Posts
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njtwkr
Sweden73 Posts
On October 17 2010 08:39 tofucake wrote: Painting is decent overall, but Berry is hard to listen too; it sounds like everyone basically did their own thing for a while before deciding to come together, and it kept going like that. And in that melodic part towards the mid/end of Berry, the guitarist seemed to have lost all enjoyment for playing until about the 3 minute mark. Yeah I don't think Berry turned out too good and while I like the part you're referring to, it just went on awwwwwkwardly long. Hard to realise that stuff in the studio since we were so psyched that everything sounded perfect at the time :D Thanks man! | ||
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