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XeliN
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BloodyC0bbler
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On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. Because in a game like this, the information I gather isn't something you want posted immediately. For instance. I say x and y are clear. guess what that means, the mafia knows people Who I am most likely directly talking with. The list I am building with confirmed townies + blues is one of those things that giving to the mafia or publically giving will allow blue snipes to happen alot faster. Suffice to say, two people are already cleared, and with greens dead, I currently have a list of 6 town aligned members of the 20 we originally started with. | ||
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citi.zen
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XeliN
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BloodyC0bbler
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On March 15 2010 08:40 citi.zen wrote: Agreed, no public circle now. It can easilybe killed off . Also, please remember bus drivers will always come up blue, even when Mafia aligned Well aware of this fact, you can never confirm their alignment, but can easily confirm the role. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On March 15 2010 08:40 XeliN wrote: That seems fair enough and Incognito would probably call you out quite quickly if you were lying on that, you still haven't given reasons why you listed me as a potential lynch candidate though? its coming in a post im writing, it will be up in about 20 | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why. To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler + He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote: I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate. I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played. DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on. Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me). Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote: Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote: Declaration: I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts? He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later. D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler + This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing. Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now. Abenson + Show Spoiler + The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia. ~opz~ + Show Spoiler + Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game. Hide nested quote - On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades. Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate. That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia. We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's... The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love. GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised. Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do! First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile. This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 15 2010 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Random list of suspects These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why. To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler + He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote: I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate. I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played. DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on. Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me). Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote: Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote: Declaration: I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts? He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later. D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler + This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing. Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now. Abenson + Show Spoiler + The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia. ~opz~ + Show Spoiler + Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game. Hide nested quote - On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades. Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate. That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia. We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's... The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love. GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised. Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do! First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile. This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it. Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
And what do you mean "better not off trying to go anywhere with it"? If you honestly cared about the town winning, you would try to go somewhere with it. You would try to make these people speak up and defend themselves. You would stop these people from being inactive. Your post basically said "I think these people are suspicious....but it's cool if they don't say anything about it". | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
Here's what I think regarding the rest of your list: XeliN is still pretty noob and he doesn't think his thoughts through - though his claim to improvement/election now strikes me as a little too eager. Likely he's still town. I agree with Abenson; he's been playing the same way for the last few games, and I wouldn't mind lynching him. I don't know what to say about ~OpZ~, because whatever he's posted so far just seems like crap. Quite frankly it's also a bit frustrating to be playing with the mafia vets. All of the discussion in feels pretty exclusive when half of the conversation is dickheadedly dominated by L, BM and citizen calling each other names. Why haven't we considered people like nemY, or even l10f? If you want to nail someone for being an inactive-mafia, there's also Malongo. He says a few lines early game to vote for L, then promptly disappears forever. I'm going to go vote for Abenson now, unless there's a better target. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote: Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it. Finally you come out and post. Stop hiding away from the world so much. A) I am currently on a tossup between abenson and ~opz~. My current vote was placed purely in the off chance shit happened and I was away from my computer for the entire vote duration. Unlikely, but required regardless. As for L, he seems town sided, but I believe another day + a check on him will clear that up. B) I am doing very similar job that I do in every game. I garner info then post with it. You mention L is doing a better job, but most of the posts were defending my own lynch target, followed by him wanting BM to die. I gave my reason on the lynch kill, and as I haven't yet made up my own mind on who I want dead, its safer to not push at someone yet? My job this game is to clear innocents and narrow down the red. Any information from this that won't fuck the town over by handing a list of people to mafia will be handed to the town, simple as that. Just as if you were about to lynch someone I've cleared, I would stop it there. As for the game in question that you are referring to. Keep in mind that the mafia convinced 2 people to stack votes on me to off me, and that the mafia who screwed the entire town over, was someone I had been advocating to kill off from almost day 1. You stepping up to be pseudo mayor wasn't even because I wasn't trying, it was because due to circumstances involving L's death combined with one failed analysis on a player led to me discrediting myself. On March 15 2010 09:42 Foolishness wrote: Not to mention, your "random list of suspects" and your "general feeling without grounds" is total bullshit. What does that even me? "Oh hey guys this is who I think we should lynch...but I actually have no idea or any information so just do whatever I'm sure it'll work out". That's honestly what it sounded like when I read your post. And what do you mean "better not off trying to go anywhere with it"? If you honestly cared about the town winning, you would try to go somewhere with it. You would try to make these people speak up and defend themselves. You would stop these people from being inactive. Your post basically said "I think these people are suspicious....but it's cool if they don't say anything about it". Intuition isn't something you can just explain. Or I would just say x seems mafia because I sense he is, believe in the power. As I have stated earlier in this thread, the DT's job is to build the list of confirmed townies + find red. We all agreed the best spot for a DT was in an elected position. So I am playing exactly as I said I would. If you don't like it, well you knew exactly what you were getting based on my opinions of how the DT should play before I claimed. On March 11 2010 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for mayoral elections. I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office. With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in. I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia. The Plan: The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies. If they are green, keep them on a seperate list. Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle. If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc... Anyone who flips red dies. first half of my candidacy post. As I feel confident on lynch targets, or as I find reds via checks, the more Centered I will be. However, as the DT, if I start randomly forcing lynches on people who flip green, I'll be offed. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 15 2010 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Random list of suspects These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why. To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler + He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote: I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate. I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played. DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on. Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me). Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote: Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote: Declaration: I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts? He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later. D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler + This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing. Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now. Abenson + Show Spoiler + The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia. ~opz~ + Show Spoiler + Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game. Hide nested quote - On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades. Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate. That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia. We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's... The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love. GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised. Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do! First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile. This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it. Incog posted saying to DT check me. Off work, plenty of free time to be active now. Thanks. I mean, lol. I posted the vivi comment as a joke, quite literally. And please don't think I'm just showing up because I've been accused. I openly stated I get off work at 8. I just didn't go to my friends house cuz I thought he was off, but he didn't get off til 9. They think I'm at home balling cuz the gf shit and just being a mopey fag, but it's a lil too hard to explain mafia and make it sound fun to anyone else. I said the vivi as a joke, because they were talking about whoever asks questions about a role is usually that role, and vivi the the only person to include bus driver in his mayor statement On March 11 2010 18:55 Vivi57 wrote: nty at bm i'm all in favor of a bus driver/dt mayor/pardoner It was more of a joke, and it got ignored by Vivi. Seriously, I accused him of being bus driver. That was it. Big deal? Want me to accuse you of being DT? And L of being medic? Incog of being Vet, and BM of being Mafia? It was an empty accusation, Vivi wound up dead. If I thought he was MAFIA aligned BD, and I was mafia, I would have killed him. Hi? -_- I wasn't attempting to cast suspicion at L, just on vet players in general. I actually have ALWAYS defended L. Even a game when I was med, I spent the entire game protecting L. Support his clue analysis mainly though. Seriously, if I was mafia, I'd of hit one BG and one of you vets. Flat out. I doubt there are more than 3 medics, and even as a townie, I'm aware they all don't know who each other are protecting. Read the format...It's insanely hard to make a decision to protect, because all they mayor truly is is a vet with 3 lives, but his lives are players. Players that may or may not be protected. Again, as I read up to down, but I already think I stated it, INCOGNITO, said to have a DT check me. No idea why. Yes, I felt I might of got arrested. I was head hunting my ex-gf's ex-bf like an immature faggot. Even pissed on the dudes driver seat/dash board/passenger seat. Of course I thought I could get arrested. I was fucking going ape shit crazy. And I work on weekends due to being in college, and said I would be extremely active this week. I'm on Spring Break. Go look, AASU's calendar, this is my spring break week, and I ain't going anywhere for it. =/ I wasn't joking about my shitty life situations. They are fucking shitty. 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On March 15 2010 10:19 ~OpZ~ wrote: And to further suspicion against myself, BC, you missed a post. I asked who was RC'd by our "detectives," you and L, specifically. I don't like how L flip flopped around his claim. "other dt." I'm not condemning him, I just agree with bm, and citizen, L looks suspicious as fuck. Read the thread, specifically the last page and top of this one and you will see why the RC findings arent released. | ||
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On March 15 2010 08:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Suffice to say, two people are already cleared, and with greens dead, I currently have a list of 6 town aligned members of the 20 we originally started with. 6 would be, yourself, vivi, fulgrim, and the person you dt checked....that's 4....Not 6... Others could be lying. =/ The others claimed via pm maybe? | ||
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On March 15 2010 10:24 ~OpZ~ wrote: 6 would be, yourself, vivi, fulgrim, and the person you dt checked....that's 4....Not 6... Others could be lying. =/ The others claimed via pm maybe? vivi fulgrim jeejee myself, busdriver, and the person i checked. simply put, 6 | ||
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On March 15 2010 10:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Read the thread, specifically the last page and top of this one and you will see why the RC findings arent released. I know, I was just saying something to further myself as red. See the beginning of it where I say "And to further suspicion...?" | ||
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On March 15 2010 10:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Finally you come out and post. Stop hiding away from the world so much. A) I am currently on a tossup between abenson and ~opz~. My current vote was placed purely in the off chance shit happened and I was away from my computer for the entire vote duration. Unlikely, but required regardless. As for L, he seems town sided, but I believe another day + a check on him will clear that up. B) I am doing very similar job that I do in every game. I garner info then post with it. You mention L is doing a better job, but most of the posts were defending my own lynch target, followed by him wanting BM to die. I gave my reason on the lynch kill, and as I haven't yet made up my own mind on who I want dead, its safer to not push at someone yet? My job this game is to clear innocents and narrow down the red. Any information from this that won't fuck the town over by handing a list of people to mafia will be handed to the town, simple as that. Just as if you were about to lynch someone I've cleared, I would stop it there. As for the game in question that you are referring to. Keep in mind that the mafia convinced 2 people to stack votes on me to off me, and that the mafia who screwed the entire town over, was someone I had been advocating to kill off from almost day 1. You stepping up to be pseudo mayor wasn't even because I wasn't trying, it was because due to circumstances involving L's death combined with one failed analysis on a player led to me discrediting myself. Intuition isn't something you can just explain. Or I would just say x seems mafia because I sense he is, believe in the power. As I have stated earlier in this thread, the DT's job is to build the list of confirmed townies + find red. We all agreed the best spot for a DT was in an elected position. So I am playing exactly as I said I would. If you don't like it, well you knew exactly what you were getting based on my opinions of how the DT should play before I claimed. first half of my candidacy post. As I feel confident on lynch targets, or as I find reds via checks, the more Centered I will be. However, as the DT, if I start randomly forcing lynches on people who flip green, I'll be offed. I'm glad you responded. The reason being is because you did not seem to have a lot of confidence with your accusation post up there. Like you are ducking behind a shield in case you are wrong. You as the mayor not having a lot of confidence in your thoughts/accusations puts me as the town in a really awkward situation in that I have no idea what to think of you anymore. You said it yourself in that previous game you discredited yourself. I don't want a repeat of that (even though the circumstances were different). You failed to comment on a key point of my post. How many blues do you actually know or are in contact with? Yeah I know you don't want to answer that publicly and I can understand that but something is not right at the moment. You, L, and Incog all seem to say you each know a bunch of blues (and L even directly reported it in one of his posts). Let's outline the possibilities: 1) All three of BC, L, Incog are blue/green and are legit in their posting- If this was true then why is there no coordination among you guys? This would also mean you guys know that nearly half the town is innocent (unless you all know the exact same blue roles, which is incredibly unlikely). In that case, this should just be gg mafia right now since you know exactly who to lynch and check and we could potentially be out of here in a few more days pending vigi hits and such. Given that the three of you all seem to have separate agenda's, you all have different opinions on who to lynch, this possibility cannot be true. 2) All three of BC, L, Incog are blue/green but somebody is lying- If all three of you are on townside then the best possibility is that one or some of you are actually lying about the information you know. This actually seems like the most possible scenario right now considering how divided the town is. However when the truth is out someone's going to have to pay for it, especially if we don't start lynching mafia soon. This is only going to cause more trouble for the town in the long run unless we get lucky with our lynches. 3) Two of BC, L, Incog are legit, and one is a mafia- Does not actually seem likely because of the mafia hits last night. If one of you is mafia, and you really know blue roles, why did two seemingly useless greens die last night? I guess if one of you is mafia, then you're probably lying about the amount of blues you role, which is a fair assumption. But when that information gets public you're going to die fast, so it doesn't make much sense you would claim to know a bunch of blue roles if you were mafia and you don't. The two legit people could easily just rat you out and we'd probably kill whichever one of you was lying (consequently, that'd probably be the GF). Doesn't seem to make sense for one of you to be mafia at this stage. 4) Two or more of BC, L, Incog are mafia- Considering roles were randomized, and the current state of the town, does this really seem so farfetched? People keep saying that this game is inactive, and certain people need to start posting. What about our elected officials? L didn't get in office and he's the only one around. BC has hardly said anything until now, and Incog is sitting in the shadows as well. 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