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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On February 14 2010 13:03 Abenson wrote: -confused- Now what o.o What do we do? the mafia have like 6 kill power O.O other than electing mayor i can't think of any other productive thing to do TT.TT
You vote for me because I'm awesome
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On February 14 2010 12:31 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 12:27 Ace wrote:On February 14 2010 12:18 L wrote: Well the fact that you didn't bother disputing the credibility of the clues when you're 100% certain that they don't point to you is interesting.
If the clue set regarding the moonlight horseman doesn't apply to you, then who does it point to? Instead of analyse what appear to be a substantive set of clues, you've ignored them and provided the town with no content. because I'm not going to sit here and point fingers for no reason. I won't sit here and start revenge accusations just because the clues don't point to me. I won't go looking for people and say HEY THE CLUES POINT TO THIS GUY NOT ME - that doesn't help the town. It just invites one more person into the ruckus and then they have incentive to point to someone else, etc. That's just going to start a bunch of arguments. So far that's 2 things I've got you on that are incentive to cause town uprising aka Mafia Behavior. Come on, one more thing so I can check you on the list and start my epic post. I'm happy that you don't want to accuse people without a good reason, but the clues still point to you. Thats probably not enough for anyone to lynch you, but its still there. ... this is what happens with day 1 clue analysis. meaningless accusations, flaming defenses, distracted townies. please stop.
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L, it's 16 mafia, not 18. I agree with your post; I think it's important to think about what kinds of posting/voting dynamics change as a result from a simple two-faction game to a three faction game. The fact alone that having a mafia mayor won't be as terrible as the same situation in a two-faction game should be enough for people to step back and reconsider things.
I'd post with more substance and clarity, but I'm wrecked from prepping for this Chinese New Years' party today.
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The Mafia will probably want to get the Pardoner more than they want the mayor, 2 more votes and an extra lynch is less important than saving themselves.
I agree with Cresentia tho, if a Mafia member is elected, it becomes the other families priority to kill them. If they are a townie, great, the mafia doesn't care so much about them. Win Win for the town (:
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On February 14 2010 13:04 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 12:31 Iaaan wrote:On February 14 2010 12:27 Ace wrote:On February 14 2010 12:18 L wrote: Well the fact that you didn't bother disputing the credibility of the clues when you're 100% certain that they don't point to you is interesting.
If the clue set regarding the moonlight horseman doesn't apply to you, then who does it point to? Instead of analyse what appear to be a substantive set of clues, you've ignored them and provided the town with no content. because I'm not going to sit here and point fingers for no reason. I won't sit here and start revenge accusations just because the clues don't point to me. I won't go looking for people and say HEY THE CLUES POINT TO THIS GUY NOT ME - that doesn't help the town. It just invites one more person into the ruckus and then they have incentive to point to someone else, etc. That's just going to start a bunch of arguments. So far that's 2 things I've got you on that are incentive to cause town uprising aka Mafia Behavior. Come on, one more thing so I can check you on the list and start my epic post. I'm happy that you don't want to accuse people without a good reason, but the clues still point to you. Thats probably not enough for anyone to lynch you, but its still there. ... this is what happens with day 1 clue analysis. meaningless accusations, flaming defenses, distracted townies. please stop. How exactly is your post any better? You've submitted a number of 3-4 line simple commentaries agreeing with someone else.
Feel free to produce content.
This isn't the same type of large game as we've previously had; Using assumptions that we used in other large games simply won't work out anymore. There's a LOT to talk about, but it seems I'm the only one who's bothering to actually look at the fact that there's more than 1 mafia team in my argumentation. I can't help but wonder why.
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Stop thinking about like it's 1strictly v1v1. If a Mafia member gets elected, the other Mafia + the town are better served by killing him. This is only problematic for the town because now the other Mafia members can blend in with the town easier.
Until one of their own are outted by the ton/other Mafia family and they have to choose between following the crowd or saving their own ^_^
This game is more like a bunch of loose, temporary allegiances than a 3-way death dance.
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I think it will be nearly impossible for town to get a mayor role unless the mafia allow it. So please mafia, can you let me get elected?
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So many pages of text in just a few hours - this is going to be crazy! At any rate, to the business of the day we go:
1. I will run for office. If you did not follow Incognito's last game, click here for my quals. No fancy slogans or banners. All I can tell you is that, as a rule, I trust nobody, regardless of previous game history or in-game behavior. As an example, in my last game, I kept a vigilante on call just in case meeple (the mayor) was red. At that point we had a single unidentified mafia alive and 11 townies (I think). Furthermore, meeple had already been of great help catching many of the mafia. Still, I had no way of knowing 100% that this wasn't all some devious mafia plot, so I kept the vigilante hit available. This is how I play.
2. I don't agree with Ver/Ace's contention that analyzing clues helps the mafia. Don't get me wrong, I do think it will probably not lead to correct lynches on days 1 or 2, but it will force the mafia to leave a paper trail and provide us with mid-game behavioral clues. Recognizing that was a somewhat atypical experience, that thick paper trail helped a lot in the last game.
An example from this thread: the exchange between L and Ace could be very useful at some point. The conversation started from L talking about clues. That small "hook" created juicy thread.
So analyze/talk/argue away I say.
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On February 14 2010 13:14 Chezinu wrote: I think it will be nearly impossible for town to get a mayor role unless the mafia allow it. So please mafia, can you let me get elected?
LOL - good point. I guess my prior game credentials help with townies but hurt with mafia. Oh well.
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I hope citizen is green ):
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
Hmm, it looks like I won't be getting the mayor spot so easily! How about this, if I am elected mayor, instead of going on my vengeful rampage and lynching the people responsible for my quick death last game, I will lynch CHEZINU. You want to vote me now, don't you?
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On February 14 2010 13:20 l10f wrote: Hmm, it looks like I won't be getting the mayor spot so easily! How about this, if I am elected mayor, instead of going on my vengeful rampage and lynching the people responsible for my quick death last game, I will lynch CHEZINU. You want to vote me now, don't you? You see, this is how you run for mayor and a sure way to get yourself killed later!
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On February 14 2010 13:22 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 13:20 l10f wrote: Hmm, it looks like I won't be getting the mayor spot so easily! How about this, if I am elected mayor, instead of going on my vengeful rampage and lynching the people responsible for my quick death last game, I will lynch CHEZINU. You want to vote me now, don't you? You see, this is how you run for mayor and a sure way to get yourself killed later!
Sorry, Mr.Red. Forgive me.
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On February 14 2010 13:20 l10f wrote: Hmm, it looks like I won't be getting the mayor spot so easily! How about this, if I am elected mayor, instead of going on my vengeful rampage and lynching the people responsible for my quick death last game, I will lynch CHEZINU. You want to vote me now, don't you?
Good because that would have been me... Sorry l10f =(
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I agree with citizen that clues help the town at least as much as the mafia, if you look at Incognito's last game, clue analysis provided most of the incriminating posts by mafia members the town used to get them lynched.
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L, i think we should focus on who is the least suspicious mayor with the most potential and who that mayor should kill. so far i'm of the belief that the winning mayor should lynch a 'veteran' mayor candidate and i feel that the person should be BC. ver's post obviously cast suspicions on him but BC's response was very interesting as well.
summary of BC activity so far: he posts an off-tangent mayor platform (not too abnormal after his rhyming fiasco) and Ver posts analyzing his past mayoral platforms. BC comes back and complements Ver's post, voting him for mayor despite Ver not even running for that position.
i don't care how unselfish you are but there is no way you could honestly say "oh that guy is playing well so i support him" when that guy is trying to kill you. greens/blues want town to win but they also want to be alive when they do win. he even voted for Ver in the voting thread to further create an image of SUUUUUPER TOWN-ALLY. he then faded into the shadows and we forgot all about him, instead choosing to focus on day 1 clue analysis.
about that, i don't think we will ever have legitimate/good day 1 analysis, regardless of the number of mafia that are in the game. think of it from incognito's point of view. he sure doesn't want to get flamed for having obvious clues (i remember inertinept getting pretty heated for getting killed off by obvious day 1 clues) and to say he adjusted the accuracy of day 1 clues to compensate the number of mafia seems to be sort of a stretch. and we have to assume that for every clue he gives pointing to one family, he has to do one pointing to the other family (balance issues) so we should be seeing TWO sets of obvious clues, not one. like L analyzed before, there is a huge number of clues that can be stretched to point to Ace and can be deduced to have been "easy clues" incognito threw out there because of the high number of mafia but where is the other set of "easy clues" pointing to a mafia member of the other family? we are looking at mostly red herrings.
also, would all legitimate mayor candidates give a preliminary candidate for who to lynch in case they get elected?
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If you look at Ver's post you'll realize why most of simply won't believe that.
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that last post was directed @ Hobbes
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also, i doubt incognito would make that many clues pointing to Ace. people running the games want mafia to be smart/active and have at least one vet. if he were to make a set of obvious clues, they'd be pointing at a miscellaneous/random mafia member, not a veteran.
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