EPTLeft vs right does not really answer that question well. Liberalism (in the European sense) is considered right wing. It has nonetheless destroyed the classical hierarchies of the past.
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RvB
Netherlands6161 Posts
Left vs right does not really answer that question well. Liberalism (in the European sense) is considered right wing. It has nonetheless destroyed the classical hierarchies of the past. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11744 Posts
On November 27 2024 02:24 RvB wrote: The far left favours the establishment as long as it suits them. They're not any different than the far right or the centre in that regard. People will favour the establishment as long as it suits their interests. Left vs right does not really answer that question well. Liberalism (in the European sense) is considered right wing. It has nonetheless destroyed the classical hierarchies of the past. The far left is anticapitalist. It by definition doesn't favor a capitalist establishment. Liberalism is leftwing in comparison to the social hierarchies of the past, as it fought against monarchies and aristocracies, which are more rigid social hierarchies, so yeah you can say liberalism was centre left at that time. But typically when we talk about politics we don't need the framework of a distant past we need the framework of the present, which is why we describe it as rightwing today. That doesn't seem like a flaw to me. Also in terms of temperament I'm not getting the sense that most of the liberals today would have been liberals back then, and I'm not getting the sense that most of the liberals back then would be liberals today, but this one is more of an opinion so we can agree to disagree. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania8966 Posts
On November 27 2024 02:21 WombaT wrote: Excellent writeup Dan! Of course I’m extremely au fait with Romanian politics already but I’m sure other folks will find it useful :p How socially conservative/liberal is Romania more generally? Are there big geographic discrepancies there within the country? Very socially conservative outside of the largest 5-6 cities, one of the most religious countries in Europe, and along with Bulgaria we had the highest percentage of anti-vaxers during the pandemic. This is some prime fertile ground for what the traditionalists are selling. As for geographic discrepancies, it's easier with a map of the presidential 1st round: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/5ZmLuhE.jpeg) Blue are the counties that have a larger developed city and are the main university centers. The reformist and relatively progressive party (USR) tends to win there. Green is where the Hungarians have a majority or plurality, that vote always goes to the ethnic Hungarian party no matter what. Red in the South and East are conservative PSD (social-dems but not really) strongholds. Pink where the fash won, most of these counties used to go to PNL (liberals but not really) and a few to PSD. Yellow just have slower internet and didn't get the memo that PNL died yet. Georgescu won 43% of the vote abroad compared to 28% in the county where he got his best local score. There were 800k votes abroad, this is 2nd only to Bucharest and twice as much as next highest county which is Cluj. Without counting the votes abroad he'd still be first but barely, and the 2nd and 3rd would swap places. | ||
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