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On August 19 2024 02:31 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2024 02:29 Captain Peabody wrote: I think Artosis is right, Clem does actually look like he's playing better than anyone ever has--the speed, execution, precision, and strategy are all just there Well, there is still TvT that he need to improve upon, but he certainly has become the best TvZ player ever. he still has worse winrates than Maru against basically every other top Zerg not named Serral
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I think the only balance whining should be about Protoss at this point.
We need those nerfs ASAP.
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On August 19 2024 02:37 Penev wrote: I think the only balance whining should be about Protoss at this point.
We need those nerfs ASAP. absolutely it's clear Protoss nerfs are needed. when a Toss makes it into the top 4 we know something is very wrong and this should not be allowed to stand
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I still think maru has the better lategame but clem just gets into it in a way better position, like clem is active into transitioning and maru just let serraltake the map.
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Serral forgetting +3 attack! Uhoh!
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On August 19 2024 02:35 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2024 02:34 Acrofales wrote:On August 19 2024 02:33 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2024 02:30 Acrofales wrote:On August 19 2024 02:26 Sent. wrote:On August 19 2024 02:25 Acrofales wrote:On August 19 2024 02:21 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2024 02:18 Acrofales wrote: Is there any late-game zerg unit that isn't countered by ghost? Not this again, Serral is getting outplayed hard Yes, but what should he have done here? Ghosts seem impossible to deal with when you have Clem level micro. The good old "kill him before he gets there". Maybe, and it's fair to just say that Clem is a step ahead of Serral at the moment and there is no counter to Clem. If nobody else is able to do what Clem does with ghosts, then that's fair. But Maru does it to zergs who aren't Serral, so it's fair to say that ghosts are a problem here. Serral is the only one to destroy Maru regularly with burrowed Infestors and Dark does it to everyone not named Maru, so burrowed Infestors are the problem? Maybe. They've already gotten nerfed 3 times now, so the zerg cabal seems to think so Same as Ghosts Ghosts have mainly gotten their vP abilities nerfed (EMP range, radius). Is Snipe really the problem here? I don't know. But the fact that ghosts can be massed, which just shouldn't be the case for spellcasters, imho. Never should've been the case, and having a few ghosts for EMP and some other spell (anti-bio) should definitely be an addition, but ghosts have a decent attack, can snipe high value targets, and EMP works vs both spellcasters and shields. No wonder they get massed. Try building 30 infestors in your army.
Meanwhile, the fact that ravens are mostly useless in TvZ atm is a real shame.
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On August 19 2024 02:26 Blitzball04 wrote: Hope they finally nerf ghosts just like how they nerfed the infestor after the tournament
Ghosts really is an embarrassing unit that counter everything Zerg and Protoss throws at them
If they nerf ghosts protoss wins everything I believe
So, carry on
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On August 19 2024 02:40 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2024 02:35 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2024 02:34 Acrofales wrote:On August 19 2024 02:33 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2024 02:30 Acrofales wrote:On August 19 2024 02:26 Sent. wrote:On August 19 2024 02:25 Acrofales wrote:On August 19 2024 02:21 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2024 02:18 Acrofales wrote: Is there any late-game zerg unit that isn't countered by ghost? Not this again, Serral is getting outplayed hard Yes, but what should he have done here? Ghosts seem impossible to deal with when you have Clem level micro. The good old "kill him before he gets there". Maybe, and it's fair to just say that Clem is a step ahead of Serral at the moment and there is no counter to Clem. If nobody else is able to do what Clem does with ghosts, then that's fair. But Maru does it to zergs who aren't Serral, so it's fair to say that ghosts are a problem here. Serral is the only one to destroy Maru regularly with burrowed Infestors and Dark does it to everyone not named Maru, so burrowed Infestors are the problem? Maybe. They've already gotten nerfed 3 times now, so the zerg cabal seems to think so Same as Ghosts Ghosts have mainly gotten their vP abilities nerfed (EMP range, radius). Is Snipe really the problem here? I don't know. But the fact that ghosts can be massed, which just shouldn't be the case for spellcasters, imho. Never should've been the case, and having a few ghosts for EMP and some other spell (anti-bio) should definitely be an addition, but ghosts have a decent attack, can snipe high value targets, and EMP works vs both spellcasters and shields. No wonder they get massed. Try building 30 infestors in your army. Meanwhile, the fact that ravents are mostly useless in TvZ atm is a real shame. Snipe has been nerfed hard multiple times. Does less damage and units can run away from them
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The first goat candidate to get 5-0d
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I think Dark would have had a better chance than Serral. Congratulations Clem!
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
I guess i missed the context. I guess it was "Well, clem has 10 ghosts, time to gg".
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Holy crap what a demonstration of dominance
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Well deserved. Congrats, Clem.
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Serral gg'ing early like Dark - totally demoralised
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Northern Ireland22770 Posts
On August 19 2024 02:34 Telephone wrote: I really wish this tournament would have had more open qualifier spots and less welfare region spots. It sucks not having Bunny or Rogue or DRG or Nightmare, all of whom are probably better than for example Coffee, Showtime, Spirit. Showtime qualified and beat some decent Koreans en-route. Including Bunny if memory serves
I think he’s broadly on a level with those guys currently, or not far off.
I would have liked some more qualifiers too personally, or just a bigger field in general. Not massively, but perhaps to make it up to more of a round number.
I won’t complain about the format, I swear :p
I think it woulda been cooler to have more slots, and have players fighting it out for prize money from the start.
Also massive congrats to Clem!
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Serral actually looks upset
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