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On May 28 2023 19:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 14:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote:
Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it. You think Rayn is maf?? Really? Lmao It was this post (just had visions of you laughing at me in this way over and over which isn’t helpful) combined with your Koshi read. You haven’t actually been rude; I’m just being a snowflake.
Well, I know I have ruthlessly tunneled you in past games, so I understand being wary of this.
And unless you can explain all the reasons that have been given for you being mafia, I don't really think that 'Rayn agrees that Marv could be scum so my DP read must not be correct is going to do it for me.'
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On May 28 2023 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different.
I also think this is not quite right, I have always been a more balanced player than others, I literally used to get into massive fights as either alignment, I would use OMGUS, appeals to emotion, Flame, aggression, etc. etc. as either alignment.
I definitely don't agree that I fit into the typecast strong townie that sacrifices their scum play, like Hapa, you at times etc.
I have always felt I have played scummier town as a way to balance my mafia play.
But anyway. this is all out of the game stuff.
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I don’t understand what these reasons are? The MZ case on me was “he asks a lot of questions” but there was no attempt to discern anything further than that. His posting (at that time) was very clean. I don’t get what’s difficult to understand about this.
I don’t care what does it for you either, I’ve explained my perspective and if you don’t accept that, there’s nothing else I can say about it.
Nor did I say my DP read must not be correct, for the record, just that has given me a whole boatload of doubt I did not previously have.
How would you feel if someone you were strongly townreading and you thought was strongly townreading you suddenly about faced on you?
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On May 28 2023 19:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different.
I also think this is not quite right, I have always been a more balanced player than others, I literally used to get into massive fights as either alignment, I would use OMGUS, appeals to emotion, Flame, aggression, etc. etc. as either alignment. I definitely don't agree that I fit into the typecast strong townie that sacrifices their scum play, like Hapa, you at times etc. I have always felt I have played scummier town as a way to balance my mafia play. But anyway. this is all out of the game stuff.
It’s all game stuff though, it’s just another definition of meta.
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On May 28 2023 19:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t understand what these reasons are? The MZ case on me was “he asks a lot of questions” but there was no attempt to discern anything further than that. His posting (at that time) was very clean. I don’t get what’s difficult to understand about this.
I don’t care what does it for you either, I’ve explained my perspective and if you don’t accept that, there’s nothing else I can say about it.
Nor did I say my DP read must not be correct, for the record, just that has given me a whole boatload of doubt I did not previously have.
How would you feel if someone you were strongly townreading and you thought was strongly townreading you suddenly about faced on you?
Do you really not understand the reasons as they are stated in the thread?
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On May 28 2023 19:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 19:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different.
I also think this is not quite right, I have always been a more balanced player than others, I literally used to get into massive fights as either alignment, I would use OMGUS, appeals to emotion, Flame, aggression, etc. etc. as either alignment. I definitely don't agree that I fit into the typecast strong townie that sacrifices their scum play, like Hapa, you at times etc. I have always felt I have played scummier town as a way to balance my mafia play. But anyway. this is all out of the game stuff. It’s all game stuff though, it’s just another definition of meta.
It's all out of this game stuff.
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On May 28 2023 19:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 19:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t understand what these reasons are? The MZ case on me was “he asks a lot of questions” but there was no attempt to discern anything further than that. His posting (at that time) was very clean. I don’t get what’s difficult to understand about this.
I don’t care what does it for you either, I’ve explained my perspective and if you don’t accept that, there’s nothing else I can say about it.
Nor did I say my DP read must not be correct, for the record, just that has given me a whole boatload of doubt I did not previously have.
How would you feel if someone you were strongly townreading and you thought was strongly townreading you suddenly about faced on you? Do you really not understand the reasons as they are stated in the thread?
No. Explain to me like I am a toddler.
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On May 28 2023 19:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 19:43 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 19:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t understand what these reasons are? The MZ case on me was “he asks a lot of questions” but there was no attempt to discern anything further than that. His posting (at that time) was very clean. I don’t get what’s difficult to understand about this.
I don’t care what does it for you either, I’ve explained my perspective and if you don’t accept that, there’s nothing else I can say about it.
Nor did I say my DP read must not be correct, for the record, just that has given me a whole boatload of doubt I did not previously have.
How would you feel if someone you were strongly townreading and you thought was strongly townreading you suddenly about faced on you? Do you really not understand the reasons as they are stated in the thread? No. Explain to me like I am a toddler.
If you answer TTT I will.
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I’m going to be really sad if you are town. Because then I was really lost in this game.
Can I ask you another question actually? Why do you think ls is such an obvious lynch now, if you didn’t think of him at all yesterday? And what does it mean for my alignment if ls flips town does that change things for you?
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On May 28 2023 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m going to be really sad if you are town. Because then I was really lost in this game.
Can I ask you another question actually? Why do you think ls is such an obvious lynch now, if you didn’t think of him at all yesterday? And what does it mean for my alignment if ls flips town does that change things for you?
Because LS lynch becomes more and more obvious the longer the game goes on and hes not invested. Yesterday I didn’t need to think about him because I had 2 other strong mafia reads.
Obviously if you are mafia as well as LS then he was bussing you, I don’t know if that’s realistic or not. How he treated VE, for example, was completely different.
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What did TTT say? I just talked about my MZ read.
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On May 28 2023 19:58 marvellosity wrote:
What did TTT say? I just talked about my MZ read.
About clean posting, what do you mean by that specifically, what about having a clean and obvious case on you made him mafia?
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I don’t know how to answer this beyond what I’ve previously said.
Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality.
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I mean Vivax (confirmed town), Koshi (confirmed town), rayn (presumably one of your strongest townreads now) were all happy to get behind MZ. Koshi was happy enough to shoot him N1. If what I was saying was disingenuous, it should make no sense to you that all these players were happy to be on the wagon (and shoot him!)
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On May 28 2023 20:14 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know how to answer this beyond what I’ve previously said.
Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality.
I guess this doesn’t really make sense because I definitely have not been making careful posts and you In fact jump on those as scummy mistakes or whatever. So it’s not really consistent if you think mafia make crafted posts and then my posts which are obviously not crafted make me mafia.
Fwiw I don’t think I ever made crafted posts as mafia, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t ring true to me.
Why do you think his case was obvious?
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On May 28 2023 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 20:14 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know how to answer this beyond what I’ve previously said.
Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality. I guess this doesn’t really make sense because I definitely have not been making careful posts and you In fact jump on those as scummy mistakes or whatever. So it’s not really consistent if you think mafia make crafted posts and then my posts which are obviously not crafted make me mafia. Fwiw I don’t think I ever made crafted posts as mafia, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t ring true to me. Why do you think his case was obvious?
Are you for fucking real that one thing that might make someone mafia has to be applied the same to someone else?
All mafia must be caught in the same way? Come on.
I have been extremely clear why I think you are mafia and the reasons behind that. The fact they aren’t the same as for MZ is totally irrelevant.
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On May 28 2023 20:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 20:14 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know how to answer this beyond what I’ve previously said.
Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality. I guess this doesn’t really make sense because I definitely have not been making careful posts and you In fact jump on those as scummy mistakes or whatever. So it’s not really consistent if you think mafia make crafted posts and then my posts which are obviously not crafted make me mafia. Fwiw I don’t think I ever made crafted posts as mafia, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t ring true to me. Why do you think his case was obvious? Are you for fucking real that one thing that might make someone mafia has to be applied the same to someone else? All mafia must be caught in the same way? Come on. I have been extremely clear why I think you are mafia and the reasons behind that. The fact they aren’t the same as for MZ is totally irrelevant.
That’s not the point of that post, the point is that people play differently and that a person can make crafted posts and this is not a really strong reason to make him mafia and lead a wagon on him.
In fact I think the reason you voted him/pushed him was to discredit him and use your thread presence to get him lynched, because he nailed you as mafia for the exact reasons he stated.
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And the obvious part of it?
If the case on you was obvious, then it was only obvious because you deserved a case on you? How does this make sense?
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Why did redVE throw suspicion on Marv early on then leave it in the dust when he rightfully knew there was no way Marv was being lynched D1? He basically doesn't mention marv the rest of the game.
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On May 28 2023 21:09 TankTopTiger wrote:
And the obvious part of it?
If the case on you was obvious, then it was only obvious because you deserved a case on you? How does this make sense?
That I’m asking a bunch of questions and had not made much of them yet. That was obvious because at that point that’s exactly what I was doing. But that doesn’t make me mafia and the case got no traction because no one else thought it did either…
I’m basically being attacked here because my read on MZ was believable enough to get thread traction and MZ’s read on me wasn’t, which is absolutely wild.
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