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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 28 2023 12:47 GMT
#2401
On May 28 2023 21:30 TankTopTiger wrote:
Why did redVE throw suspicion on Marv early on then leave it in the dust when he rightfully knew there was no way Marv was being lynched D1? He basically doesn't mention marv the rest of the game.

Why the **** not? So people like you can make these nonsense connections later, perchance?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 28 2023 12:51 GMT
#2402
On May 28 2023 20:59 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2023 20:49 marvellosity wrote:
On May 28 2023 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 28 2023 20:14 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know how to answer this beyond what I’ve previously said.

Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality.


I guess this doesn’t really make sense because I definitely have not been making careful posts and you In fact jump on those as scummy mistakes or whatever. So it’s not really consistent if you think mafia make crafted posts and then my posts which are obviously not crafted make me mafia.

Fwiw I don’t think I ever made crafted posts as mafia, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t ring true to me.

Why do you think his case was obvious?

Are you for fucking real that one thing that might make someone mafia has to be applied the same to someone else?

All mafia must be caught in the same way? Come on.

I have been extremely clear why I think you are mafia and the reasons behind that. The fact they aren’t the same as for MZ is totally irrelevant.


That’s not the point of that post, the point is that people play differently and that a person can make crafted posts and this is not a really strong reason to make him mafia and lead a wagon on him.

In fact I think the reason you voted him/pushed him was to discredit him and use your thread presence to get him lynched, because he nailed you as mafia for the exact reasons he stated.


No reason to engage with you further. You’re either mafia or incapable of understanding anything I’m saying. Either way there’s no point in continuing.

Again my read was strong enough for all the confirmed townies and rayn to go along with it, so if the reasoning wasn’t good then why did those people all follow? Why did town Koshi shoot MZ? Because there seemed to be legit reasons to think he was mafia. End of story…
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 13:08 GMT
#2403
To me it seems like you're going outrage route on your way out.

But Rayn, who holds you in very high esteem, told me with great clarity that the thing that makes you an exceptional town player is your ability to keep your head on straight. You make decisions that will keep town on the right path, keep them from getting distracted. It was basically a promise that if Marv is town, everyone will know it because he's some legendary and meticulous war general who will save the day starting day 2.

But you led a lynch on town, then didn't do anything of note day 2, and have fallen apart the moment Koshi and Rayn stop playing henchmen for you (you're literally throwing hands at me and DP while simultaneously demanding civility).

Your "hunting" has been OMGUSing MZ, OMGUSING me, OMGUSING DP, and lightly OMGUSING Rayn for questioning you.

You are not the prince who was promised. You are not confirmed town Marv. You're the other thing.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 13:09 GMT
#2404
Like... You keep appealing to crowds as if they can't be wrong, but when confronted with a group of people pointing the finger at you, actually crowds can be wrong.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 28 2023 13:28 GMT
#2405
TTT I am pretty close to max frustration right now. And in olden days I might be yelling at you both telling you how god damn awful you are and swearing a fuckton. I’ve behaved like a petulant child in plenty of games, and been modkilled from a couple for it, but I don’t want to be that player anymore. So the level of anger you’re currently seeing from me is probably quite evident, but at the same time it’s about as bad as I’m going to let it get.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 13:47 GMT
#2406
Okay you're calling me bad but I don't think you have grounds to do that.

I came in and went against all the pros on my read on MZ and I was right. I then took charge on taking down VE despite everyone saying he's just whacky like that, and I was right again. I said your case on MZ was weak when everyone was fighting me on it, and now suddenly people seem to be agreeing with me.

You mislynched MZ with a weak case you seemed to try to distance yourself from if I hadn't pressed you for your contribution, then you waited for the two least experienced players to take charge on VE.

What have you done? Keep in mind, your tantrums are only a very small part of the case on you. You were happy to be described as a cool operator when it suited you, but now it's okay for you to have a shitfit over nothing. You started this game with enormous privilege with everyone tripping over themselves to sheep and defend you. A competent town Marv does not throw that away by all accounts I've heard. A competent town Marv helps town in a meaningful way by Day3.

You can be frustrated. Cool. Take a breath. I'm not here to torment you. Help me how your actions live up to even a shadow of the hype of confirmed town Marv?
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
May 28 2023 14:46 GMT
#2407
I <3 u, Marv
lol, clueless in The Prism!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 28 2023 17:19 GMT
#2408
I’m actually not calling you bad, I just want to. Because most the time I say it I’m just frustrated, I don’t genuinely think that person is bad.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 28 2023 17:20 GMT
#2409
On May 28 2023 23:46 Chezinu wrote:
I <3 u, Marv

❤️
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2023 18:30 GMT
#2410
First off I am sorry that i wasn't here for 48 hours i was with my Aunt who is waiting for a liver transplant and second of all perfect case by Rayn on VE if I was around I would voted VE if I was actually around and he flipped scum! Third I think this post by dmb:
On May 27 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2023 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:
TTT is town he actually thinking about the game although in a different manner but at least he trying to get solid reads for himself and move the thread a bit.
Onegu is null leaning town? As town he is proud of his reads even on Day 1 and did try to get Rayn to follow him on VE Day 1 before he disappeared.
Chez is null I didn't like how he pretty much RNG his vote between MZ and Vivax (both flipped town) but outside of that he been pretty trolly at parts like I remember him doing as town.
Slam is null he being a bit more serious than i ever remember i don't know if it's alignment indicative or not but he also being weird towards Chez which idk what to make of it.
DP is mafia he been tunneling me all game and refused to reevaluate in fact he did this:
On May 26 2023 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
LS why do you think Koshi was killed?

for why I thought Koshi was killed when I posted why I thought he was killed. here:
On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:
First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f..........

Koshi said:
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.

Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.

Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.

Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon
Look at here:
On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.

Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.

And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.


What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.

I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.

Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.

I think you could be mafia.
I will never make a case on you.
I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia.
I will never respect any read you make this game.

I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)

Which he did reply to my post here:
On May 26 2023 11:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:
First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f..........

Koshi said:
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.

Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.

Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.

Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon
Look at here:
On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that.

Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch.

And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake.


What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip.

I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already.

Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive.

I think you could be mafia.
I will never make a case on you.
I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia.
I will never respect any read you make this game.

I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there)


You realize that both wagons being town substantially changes things, right?

dmb is mafia she went balls to walls on Vivax starting here:
On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them.

and continued here:
On May 23 2023 19:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
Vivax are you scared to write something?

and tried to act confident on lynching him here:
On May 23 2023 20:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:08 Vivax wrote:
On May 23 2023 20:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax has your friend played previously?


She wrote that she didn't ಠ_ಠ

I explained a bunch of basics pre-game, mostly what is cheating and whatnot and how to avoid it, but I'd wager she's rather clueless about what to do at all at this point.

Also I assume most of her posts about me by now are teases.

I have no read on rayn at this point. In case you thought the short-breathed thing still held any relevance.



I think at this point your are just scared to be voted out on the first day

Remeber playing Poker with me? You will lose no matter which game you play with me and that you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too

she continued for several posts and then later posted this gem:
On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.


Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started
Alakasla // same as sentinel
Chezinu // seems like town
4) Vivax // mafia
5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town
6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet
7) Onegu // also not shure
8) Koshi // def. town
10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia
11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know
12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts)
13) VisceraEyes // town


But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me

When Onegu, Chez, and Sent haven't posted in the thread (Sent being replaced later on in Night 1)
as well wanted to lynch Onegu for being lurker (When more likely could of been modkilled or replaced if he haven't posted heck there were several people who weren't in the game when she voted Onegu.) In fact she also tried to push marv out of fear of him being mafia even though she was super paranoid of his scum game? She ended up voting Vivax and had her vote stay there thus we lynched Vivax. I think she is stuck now after that lynch because she is mafia who is running out of options.
Rayn is town he didn't try to do any sort of trap play like he did in XXX night of debauchery and been actively solving the game in a way I expected him to as town.
Marv is town I know he was given a bunch of shit but he would of had only 2 page filter as mafia at this point knowing him and how I dealt with mafia Marv but he been trying to solve the game whenever he was around through his own methods.
VE is null yes he improved a bit after my initial reads post but then he lynched the doctor Day 1 idk if I feel about him after that.




First of all sorry for being so inactive was celebrating my bd and had to work with hangover.

At the begining i made two mistake, First one was considering of privat thoughts that V is mafia. Already told why and i am sorry for that was a big mistake. Can explain again if you want to.
Second mistake i went was this list. Did´t check it perfectly as i should.
Third thing was I didn´t know that the roles get automaticly to the players and that they are not selced. So for me was the message Your are Vanilla Town like 100 % sure.
I am sorry for not knowing that, so I was writing here with so much conifdence because of that I thought you all know that the newbe only can be town... Big mistake as well

For now i make a new list with my thoughts
1) TankTopTiger
Town, because he came here and the way he writes and thinks is like other than the other players here but makes me sure for Town.
2) Alakaslam
No opinen right now, but more like town
3) Chezinu
Town
4) Vivax lynched day 1.
Sorry baby for voting on you for privat thoughts
5) LightningStrike
Town (for now)
6) DarthPunk
Could be mafia. Maybe him or marv but not both. They are not in the same boat
7) Onegu
not activ, what should I say about it
8) Koshi killed night 1
sorry but told he is town
9) die_meatbaby
doesn´t matter because you all have to make your own opinen about me, even if it seems bad for me right now
10) raynpelikoneet
def Mafia
At the D1 i was writing V and you are Mafia. You where pissed and tried to protect your self. Few hours before the voting was ending. I made a post where I said I would change my mind on you but not on V. After this you made an fucking importent and smart post.
"Onegu is perfoming to strong for being Town and Vivax is to less paronied for being Town."
This changed like everything. I was pointing out that you where just writing my thougths of V. THAT WAS MY ONLY REASON OF THINKING V WAS M (big mistake and sorry for all my Townies. I learn from mistake. Thats life) I didn´t want to leek a private thing about that Paronied stuff of V. At this point VE was tryieng to get votes on V only on V. This makes me so fucking suspicious. Like this was a perfectly played move from you and VE. Just amzing. At this point after Voting I just saw what you two where doeing here. The fact that you two played this so perfectly fascinated me. Atm I realesd with how much effort you all play and how fucking accurate i have to be here. How accurate i should read the posts here. This game is def. more harder than I ever thought. This point made me realse that I shouldn´t just write my thoughts. I have do do more. Have to think things more through than I ever did in my life.
11) Meapak_Ziphh killed night 1
Sorry for saying you where m
12) marvellosity
Also could be both he write in like a save way but wouldn´t vote on him right know not sure if he is with VE and Rayn in the MPG (Mafia Pussy Gang)
13) VisceraEyes
1000000% Mafia. Like nothing else. On D1 one I did make a list like this in made mistake because of not controlling everything and didn´t put much efford in it. Mistakes make people seem like mafia. Big mistake from me again. He answering on Koshi who where on this point like i am mafia and i already got 3 votes on me at this point on my first day, also birthday and first game. He tried to protect me. for Towns who thought of mafia on me. He got weak. He had compassion on me. Wrote under my post "Guys you can´t make vote on this..." Still thanks for protecting me at this moment, because as mafia you realized what beginner mistake I did and had pity on me. Nice but big mistake from you. protecting a new girl is nice but still not good for you Mafiastatus

Plus VE posts about dmb means that dmb actually is town most likely I don't see a newbie dmb to bus VE this hard Day 2 and him just keep town reading her. To answer your question TTT normally I am more active as either alignment but real life > everything and the majority of my posts on TL are indeed in mafia games I am surprised I wasn't mod killed at all given my absence.
Towards Darth: We only played together once and that was a long time ago in Student V where i was the Cop who caught your mafia buddy Trfel on a check but i had played many games since that game.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2023 18:31 GMT
#2411
Also Marv I know you are frustrated but I think you are town. Please just relax a bit and calm down man <3 you as well.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2023 20:58 GMT
#2412
Seriously no one is here to talk?? Been waiting for someone to talk in here but it been dead silence?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2023 21:57 GMT
#2413
sigh I guess no one wants to talk
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 28 2023 22:00 GMT
#2414
On May 29 2023 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:
sigh I guess no one wants to talk


Who is mafia in your opinion ?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2023 22:08 GMT
#2415
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2023 22:09 GMT
#2416
Like obviously i could be wrong on multiple people unless you think I am wrong in my assessment of dmb?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 28 2023 22:09 GMT
#2417
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.


So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2023 22:11 GMT
#2418
On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.


So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?

You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 28 2023 22:31 GMT
#2419
On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.


So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?

You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.


Have you read the whole game
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2023 22:39 GMT
#2420
On May 29 2023 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.


So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?

You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.


Have you read the whole game

I had.
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