EPTTL Endures Mafia - Page 103
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VisceraEyes (3): die_meatbaby, TankTopTiger, raynpelikoneet LightningStrike (2): DarthPunk, Alakaslam Onegu (1): Chezinu, Chezinu (1): VisceraEyes DarthPunk (1): LightningStrike Not Voting (2) : Onegu, marvellosity With 3 votes, VisceraEyes is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Sunday, May 28 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
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On May 27 2023 11:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: if chezinu is a parity cop he doesnt have a check, if he is tracker he cannot know if slam is mafia or not because not all mafia visit. come on? Basically at the time I thought Chez either: 1.) claimed tracker/parity cop as VT and is engaging in WIFOM in order to draw a night kill and/or troll a bit. 2.) claimed tracker/parity cop as tracker/parity cop in order to crumb reads/ checks and negate suspicion from the town 3.) claimed tracker/parity cop as Mafia in order to draw out a counter claim? I was leaning town if anything on chez at the time and the first option was the most likely, and the third option was really bad and would resolve itself if he is mafia. | ||
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On May 27 2023 22:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Im having a board game night today so no play for me in the next 8hrs or so. That sounds great, I hope you have fun. | ||
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On May 25 2023 01:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivax seemed fine with meat Until this post here....then the tone shifts dramatically. It's less about trying to figure out meat's alignement and seems way more like trying to justify the eventual vote. This bears out in following posts, I won't post them all because they all say the same thing. I'll summarize: "Hum haw, I think meat is meat and gawrsh I feel bad but out of my hands, talk to rayn/koshi! *shrugz0rz*" ##Vote Vivax I really like this post because I was picking up the same vibes with Vivax at the time. On May 25 2023 02:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you not hear my song? Marv and DP both look better on reread, idk if work/sleep changed my perspective, but they both seem town now. I couldn't even remember when I woke up and filtered MYSELF why I actually thought marv was mafia. DP has been like ubertryhard town the whole time. I'm more interested in why you give a shit unless you want to lynch one of DP or marv and why you aren't CURRENTLY voting Vivax. Don't really like this because I think you should be able to recall your reasons from the night before, and if he was pushing lynches from nothing and saying things like 'one of DP and marv is scum' for no reason then that is more likely to be something that happens to mafia as they are not stating things based on analysis but rather to blend in or seem contributory. On May 25 2023 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote: So I think it had something to do with how I kinda scumread both of them, but marv was effectively distancing. Honestly I don't remember why I said that specific thing. lol Could you maybe vote Vivax now? I did the thing :D Yeah this is weak. On May 25 2023 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay marv maybe you can point out where you think Vivax actually cares about figuring out meat's alignment. Or maybe you think he like, as town, thinks trying to read someone that close is cheating? Meta? Whatever man, I think it's scummy and further the scummiest thing in the thread aside from MAYBE Chez avoiding modkill. I like this focus he has on getting vivax lynched and Im not sure why he would do this as mafia. It seemed to me at the time of that wagon that he really cared about the outcome of the lynch which I read as townie at the time. I think marv mentioned that he may have done that as scum just because he can, but I don't think that actually diminishes the facts of the matter in terms of he clearly cared about his vote and the outcome on a town vs town wagon. On May 25 2023 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I did consider it obviously. But I hard read meat town based on my personal experience playing with someone in the same house. I played Video Mafia with Matriarch a couple times and ALL I WANTED TO DO was figure out Becca's alignment, like knowing I wouldn't be able to talk to her about it and KNOWING it would make NO difference at all IN the game, it felt IMPORTANT to me to figure out her alignment. It feels like meat is poking Vivax trying to get that read and it feels like Vivax has no interest. I recall strongly agreeing with the ideas behind this post at the time in the thread as something I could genuinely relate to. I still like it. On May 25 2023 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe I just don't see how DMB is actively harming town. Me posting Herby seemed more detrimental to town than anything meat is posting. What it feels like is meat is salty that Vivax doesn't INSTA read her town so she's like, making us pay. LOL IDK it looks to me like meat trying to figure out Vivax alignment with the knowledge that everything they're hearing or not hearing isn't supposed to be taken into account, so they're overcompensating by bringing it all to the thread. And while I hate reads like this, it feels to me like Vivax is salty about the attention AS mafia. They certainly aren't trying to figure out meat's alignment in this thread. But they ARE willing to meme with meat. Like...honestly it is probably my previous exp playing with someone in the house, and it's hard to divorce that from my read. There could be an argument that the defense of DMB is a result of additional information, but I don't like this because: A: I had the same or similar views. B. Its an association based on an assumed alignment of an unflipped player. On May 25 2023 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I think it's way more likely she's town, poking and prodding the one person she knows in the thread, trying to figure out his alignment, in a way she thinks town won't lynch her for, very actively, and she FUCKING NAILED HIS COCK TO THE FLOOR! This feels genuine and the way the DMB posts interelate with the Vivax read really make sense and seems hard to fake IMO. On May 25 2023 06:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay if we're being honest, I wanted to play Spore so I disappeared. My partner finally loaded it up and we've been playing it. But mine keeps shitting me off so here I'm back. But to be frank, that's neither here nor there. I've said my piece and given my reasoning and it's sound and yall can jerk each other off as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that no one is even considering my input and is in fact saying I'm scummy for providing it. So there's no reason for me to be in here posting other than to clear myself and if you're suspicious of me you're doing a shit job of trying to get me lynched so I have no impetus to defend myself either. So go on marv. Talk about my causal relationship and how it makes me mafia or whatever. Unless you're going to try and get me lynched, which I welcome, then don't worry about when/if I play Spore. It's a shit game anyway. I think this post shows a town mindset because of the fact that he is showing genuine frustration at people ignoring his contributions and instead making him defend himself. That seems hard to fake as scum. On May 25 2023 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I was already townie on MZ before he went AWOL and the only thing that I didn't like was THAT he went AWOL and then he came back and his content looked fine. His read progressions made sense in the context of when they were posted. I think what happened is that MZ was working on his post for like an hour or something getting the formatting right, acquiring quotes, and that hour that he was taking was one of the most active hours in the game. And when he came back a lot of his reads were outdated and questions he had were already answered. So what you're taking for scummy is just aggravation about the activity burst after his post. I had actually typed all this out when he said he would detunnel and decided not to dick with it, I wish I had then. I think this is really strong and potentially accurate analysis and a good reason for VE to act the way that he does later. At this point VE: 1.) Strong town reads DMB and Scum reads Vivax. Based on ideas and logic that I can follow 2.) town reads MZ a read which naturally evolves, and I think the post above shows that he actually thought about and had reasons as to why. On May 25 2023 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote: If I had a gun I'd shoot the fuck out of Onegu. Like okay dude, I literally off-voted you before you even got back you aren't going to even look at anything else in the thread? But I don't, and because I can kinda see a lazyTownOnegu doing that same OMGUS shit I probably wouldn't push his lynch today. TODAY. On May 25 2023 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, he even tried to get meat to vote me too, which is just one more point for town Onegu - maf Onegu probably just vote me and fuck off again right? On May 25 2023 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Meeehhhh....that's weak af I'd probably lynch Onegu. Def before lynching meat. Probably before lynching MZ. This train of posts seem like he is considering Onegu genuinely, changing his mind a little and his conclusion is consistent with his other reads at the time. On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch. I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation. FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM On May 25 2023 07:33 VisceraEyes wrote: When Vivax flips red I hope town does the sane thing and bolts a steel plate to rayns face and just lynch him with no discussion whatsoever. These posts make zero sense and have no purpose for MAF VE to make if he is about to lynch town vivax, like what is the point here? Like is this fake? seriously? he knows he is leading a wagon from a townie onto a townie and he is like super stoked? Yeah I don't buy it. Instead of relief for being town read the mood is annoyed for being called bad. Why does scum VE care this much? On May 25 2023 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Yasss winnning Where's your clock now Vivax? WHERE'S YOUR CLOCK NOW?!?! Is this literally like next level mafia play, fucking stoked about this lynch and about to be shit on real hard in the night post? Like it makes no sense, it would be so impressive to fake the emotion and care factor that VE has behind the whole Vivax wagon. The only rational I can have for this being Maf VE is if he was (genuinely) super stoked that he cucked Marv, rayn and Koshi and got his lynch instead of theirs. Immediately blame others when you lynch the doctor, yeah, I can relate. On May 26 2023 10:20 VisceraEyes wrote: A Public Service Announcement From VisceraEyes I apologize one and all for leading the town to this tragedy, but we press on. Obviously everyone on the Vivax lynch is in the hot seat. I led the lynch but because I'll be doing my utmost to figure this shitshow I created out, I'll go ahead and hope to not be the lynch D2. So that leaves meat, DP, MZ, Slam and Chez up for lynch today fmp. I'm probably going to start by advocating for a Chez/Onegu lynch. I understand an 11th hour shenanigans, it's good wholesome fun. But then both did like literally nothing over the night-phase? Chez could even be seen as an attractive night-kill if you squint. Anyway I certainly like it more than a busy-body DP or a (admittedly waning) townread MZ lynch. Slam is.....slam. I feel like slam could always be called a coinflip. There could be something there though, I'm going to spend the rest of the night filtering. He's on the list. It seems likely or even probable that there are 2-3 mafia inside the Vivax lynch, but that math is skewed a bit if MZ is also town. Then they could be anywhere and have literally anything in mind. If MZ is town even the town leaders on HIS lynch could be mafia. I..........don't want to live in this world. But circumstances force me to consider it. I'll leave it for another day - or when someone asks I guess. The important thing to remember going forward is that this is NOT over. We will NOT give up. We will NOT surrender our town to the red menace. We will NOT simply roll over and let this scourge cow us into complacency. THIS IS LIQUIDIA Fucking hate this post. Way too crafted for my tastes. I think the content is fine, and pretty much reflects alot of other players thoughts. Now that I think about it he made that wacky song too when entering the thread. That seems weird to me but I don't know what it means. I think VE's posting drops off a cliff after D1: He posts this On May 26 2023 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote: DP I'm going to be honest with you - I have no fucking idea. It's like I said before the flip - if MZ is town too then that means who is on what wagon when is utterly meaningless. Mafia could have flowed freely from one to another and it make no difference to them. MZ flipping green actually helps MAFIA more than it helps us. I want to say that mafia are in the lurker class because I'm so fucked up right now, but that feels like a copout. That just tends to be the case when a game is so fucking hard like this. It's actually WHY I advocate lurker lynches early, but I digress. I'm looking at Onegus and LSes and Chezes like I was before the flip I think. While keeping an eye to active players not making any sense. The feeling of defeat was super relatable, maybe mostly to me as I was the other person incredibly influential in the Vivax lynch The game felt incredibly bad at this point, and honestly I was feeling defeated and confused so I could relate to VE here and it felt like this was a genuine headspace for him to be in. On May 27 2023 01:48 VisceraEyes wrote: My reasoning on why the Vivax lynch - from my perspective the only reason mafia would prefer one lynch vs another is if they had a blue read on one vs another. It's entirely possible that mafia joined the Vivax wagon because they had a blue read on him, and Chezinu is a NOTORIOUS blue sniper. I don;t like the Chez vote over Onegu, but his reasoning is fine. On May 27 2023 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's seeing the same game as me, I honestly was sure Vivax was mafia and he didn't just sheep me, he came in and pushed it over. Mafia DP would've just sheeped me no? Let me take the fall alone for the mislynch? It doesn't to you. It does to me. If that makes sense. I honestly agree that we are seeing the same game, I think one of us just needs contacts. On May 27 2023 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he knows it'll never go. Dude's posted like twice and everyone has opinions that don't include Onegu. It's why I DIDN'T vote Onegu, actually. Confirmation bias, I think this is hard to fake actually, as scum. On May 27 2023 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote: You're the one getting personal and calling people bad. I could be wrong about your intentions, because I'm fucking town and I don't know your alignment. But you're calling me bad which applies regardless of my alignment. Fuck you rayn. You're not going to gaslight me into thinking I'm doing anything wrong here, you're the one with a bad fucking attitude because I DARE question you. I'm playing the game. Maybe you don't like how I'm doing it, but I'm doing it. I'm not ruining shit. I never called you "all kinds of things" I said it was like I was playing with newbie rayn because it felt like you aren't considering simple shit that WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS GAMES/POSTGAMES. And I did that ONE time. I'm not being mean to you or being offensive or anything like that. Maybe my reads are offensive to you. Maybe you dislike my reasoning. You were right that the Vivax read was wrong. Was it bad? Maybe. Maybe not. With a sample size of 2 I guess we'll find out eventually. So you're either trying to gaslight me intentionally because you're fucking mafia, or you're actually so full of yourself as town that you literally think anyone who has a different opinion from you is bad at the game. I'm going to be honest, I think maybe you're just town and a fucking dick. This emotion feels genuine to be honest. I can relate to some of the feelings in this game, where you can be called bad or mafia for just not agreeing with dominate town voices in the thread. I am sad that his post happened because I like rayn and this just shit things up, but I am not convinced Maf VE could fake this, particularly because VE was already slightly ruffled that he was called bad on Day 1. Do you actually fake annoyance at being called bad day one, only to lose it day 2 when the same person calls you bad again, because if he is mafia, he KNOWS he is not bad and he has killed 3 town at this point and the Doc and the Vig are dead. Yeah not buying it. On May 27 2023 09:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's a blue sniper and was super late to the Vivax wagon. He's done nothing, he hasn't read, he has given no reads, the only content he has is that he likes LS reads post, ONE of LS reads post, no analysis of LS previous posts or how the reads line up with previous reads. It's scummy as sin! I have no idea what he thinks about anyone! I don't even know why he's voting for Onegu, WHO LS DIDN'T EVEN MENTION IN HIS POST He's the best because we've got nothing better. I'm in here trying to play and trying to lynch mafia. Don't lynch me. I know I'm probably the most attractive candidate. I am not convinced Chez is maf, but I think this post makes sense if you do. Conclusion: Honestly, I think I feel much better about a town! VE based on reading and analyising his play this game. I don't think he is a good lynch and apart from the sketchy Marv DP read day one and the crafted entry posts to the threads. I could be though roughly bamboozled here and if VE is scum he deserve props because I just can't see it. At all. If you are on the VE wagon I would appreciate the time for you to read this post. I have put a lot of effort into reading his game so far so that you don't have to. All you have to do is read this post. If you agree with my thoughts on VE, I can happily suggest an LS or Onegu lynch for today. | ||
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On May 27 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote: VE's case on vivax was weak. There's no reason to jump on it unless you've got your own reasons for thinking vivax scum. I happened to think vivax was a good lynch at the time (better than MZ), but at no point was it because VE made a compelling case. For scumDP, it made little sense to hammer a weak case on a (to be confirmed) town. Instead they could have just let MZ die and had you lot in the gallows the next few days. Correct me if I’m wrong, but DP was nowhere near the hammer. | ||
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On May 27 2023 18:02 TankTopTiger wrote: I think it comes off as bad but I don't know LS. They have a lot of posts (on their acconut)but are those mafia game posts (I assume so). With VE, at times he wrote succinctly and showed awareness. This is part of the reason why his shit-postery feels so wrong to me, because I know he's hiding his power level one way or another. With LS, it seems to me like he posts in a stream of consciousness way even before the game began. Overall the tone of LS's post is off. He's trying to be hyperbolic similar to how Koshi was after N1 post but Koshi seemed pretty emotional while LS does not. I agree it's out of place for LS's level of engagement, but I'm so used to inconsistency in lower engagement players I don't consider it that worthy of note. I like this | ||
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The little musing my brain does have available though, I still think what I said about DP was right. I’m struggling to reconcile how another town player who isn’t massively dissimilar to me has/had so many more townreads than me. Still don’t like VE either though so I don’t know what to do. | ||
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On May 27 2023 23:47 marvellosity wrote: Will read your VE post properly in a bit DP, have to admit I couldn’t face he size of it right now That's what she said. | ||
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On May 28 2023 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I could be moved to vote for Onegu. I said before the only reason I didn't vote for him over Chez is the OMGUS and lack of posts - there's even less way for me to PROVE Onegu is mafia than there is for Chez. But I can for sure vote that dude he's way more likely maf than, for example, me who has zero chance of flipping maf. Why not LS?? | ||
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Woke up this morning to 3 posts.. | ||
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VisceraEyes (3): die_meatbaby, TankTopTiger, raynpelikoneet LightningStrike (3): DarthPunk, Alakaslam, Chezinu Onegu (1): DarthPunk (1): LightningStrike Chezinu (0): Not Voting (2) : Onegu, marvellosity With 3 votes, VisceraEyes is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Sunday, May 28 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
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Because I think he's more town than Onegu - he's in here actually giving reads and trying to figure shit out - as I'd expect a town to do. Onegu is skirting modkill I guess but are we going to depend on that? | ||
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On May 28 2023 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I think he's more town than Onegu - he's in here actually giving reads and trying to figure shit out - as I'd expect a town to do. Onegu is skirting modkill I guess but are we going to depend on that? Is this because of his one post per cycle? Half of which are null reads basically? Come on dude, how can you say he is in here figuring shit out? | ||
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. Where was any indication that me and rayn posted in tandem? Why should we ?
I don’t like it!
