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DarthPunk
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Yeah. I also walked back after I read that afterwards. I basically did exactly what you did. Which is the whole pointy. Read the parts I walk back on dmb and then town read her again later. The point is we both did it for the same reason but for some reason I am scummy for this and you are not. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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DarthPunk
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On May 27 2023 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i fucking confronted you on the stupid ass shit point that she is town because she is playing with someone she knows even.... I don’t think that was a stupid point. People are more comfortable exhibiting strong behaviours to people they are comfortable with. That is basic psychology. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Otherwise you will have an enemy you do not want. And i don't care if i lose when i get mad. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 27 2023 14:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: DO-NOT-SPIN-THINGS-TO-WHAT-THEY-ARE-NOT! Otherwise you will have an enemy you do not want. And i don't care if i lose when i get mad. Sure let’s drop it then. But fwiw I’m not trying to spin anything. This is just my perspective. | ||
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TankTopTiger
509 Posts
On May 27 2023 10:38 marvellosity wrote: Like sure. But these are the questions. 1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2 It stinks to me Regarding me, his read on me is well within what I expect from him. He is better than me at this, knows me very well, and as bad as I am at this game as town, I'm worse as scum. I wouldn't believe DP if he wasn't confident he could catch me given enough time. That's not to say I think this confirms him town, but this is not alignment indicative. I'll point out that the outcome of his empathy in this situation is us not currently at each other's throats over Marv vs. me anymore. Without that we were sort of holding each other to account for not playing the way each other does which a scummy DP would have no reason to help resolve. As for all his other town reads? I genuinely have no idea why he thinks half these people are town. But I don't think his read on me is part of that same pattern. FYI DP and I have played a lot of different games together, we probably know each other better than anyone else here does. We went to school together, lived together, worked together. He doesn't get to predict me 100%, but he definitely gets to feel like he could. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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On May 27 2023 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not? Knowing Meapak is town why does it matter if they are on the same wagon or not, they are equally "wrong" anyways. VE's case on vivax was weak. There's no reason to jump on it unless you've got your own reasons for thinking vivax scum. I happened to think vivax was a good lynch at the time (better than MZ), but at no point was it because VE made a compelling case. For scumDP, it made little sense to hammer a weak case on a (to be confirmed) town. Instead they could have just let MZ die and had you lot in the gallows the next few days. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 27 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote: VE's case on vivax was weak. There's no reason to jump on it unless you've got your own reasons for thinking vivax scum. I happened to think vivax was a good lynch at the time (better than MZ), but at no point was it because VE made a compelling case. For scumDP, it made little sense to hammer a weak case on a (to be confirmed) town. Instead they could have just let MZ die and had you lot in the gallows the next few days. Wouldn’t this same logic also apply if I was scum and ve was town? | ||
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TankTopTiger
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DarthPunk
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On May 27 2023 17:10 TankTopTiger wrote: The same logic applies but I guess I tend to expect mafia to try and diversify their scum portfolios instead of all going in on the one train day 1 without a strong motivator. I can see redVE jumping on your wagon because they seem reckless, but I guess I don't expect it from you? What do you think of lightning strike? Does his emotion not seem inconsistent with his care factor about other parts of the game to you? | ||
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TankTopTiger
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I've basically been skipping all posts by LS, Ala, Chez and Onegu as they're either trolling, lurking, or have had very little influence for other reasons. I don't really see there being time for me to change my mind before next lynching, given the full day I have tomorrow. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 27 2023 17:39 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, I've not paid much attention to LS. I figure if any of the less influential members are suddenly super important I'll filter dive them and develop an opinion then. I've basically been skipping all posts by LS, Ala, Chez and Onegu as they're either trolling, lurking, or have had very little influence for other reasons. I don't really see there being time for me to change my mind before next lynching, given the full day I have tomorrow. Can you look at the reaction to the day post and see if you think it seemed genuine based on his investment he has in the game | ||
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TankTopTiger
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With VE, at times he wrote succinctly and showed awareness. This is part of the reason why his shit-postery feels so wrong to me, because I know he's hiding his power level one way or another. With LS, it seems to me like he posts in a stream of consciousness way even before the game began. Overall the tone of LS's post is off. He's trying to be hyperbolic similar to how Koshi was after N1 post but Koshi seemed pretty emotional while LS does not. I agree it's out of place for LS's level of engagement, but I'm so used to inconsistency in lower engagement players I don't consider it that worthy of note. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 27 2023 18:02 TankTopTiger wrote: I think it comes off as bad but I don't know LS. They have a lot of posts (on their acconut)but are those mafia game posts (I assume so). With VE, at times he wrote succinctly and showed awareness. This is part of the reason why his shit-postery feels so wrong to me, because I know he's hiding his power level one way or another. With LS, it seems to me like he posts in a stream of consciousness way even before the game began. Overall the tone of LS's post is off. He's trying to be hyperbolic similar to how Koshi was after N1 post but Koshi seemed pretty emotional while LS does not. I agree it's out of place for LS's level of engagement, but I'm so used to inconsistency in lower engagement players I don't consider it that worthy of note. Did you read the part that vivax stated that his read on ls would get worse with continued low activity. From what I understand they play together pretty often. Basically I am trying to get you to consider a LS lynch because I’m am covvinced he is mafia. And I think ve is such a loose cannon he could be literally anything. | ||
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TankTopTiger
509 Posts
I don't really place any stock in vivax's read. I don't know vivax other than that as doctor he managed to die d1. I don't see LS as having so much internal logic you get to have strong reads on them. If you can show me that right now, you (DP) have the knowledge that actually LS is capable of being a proactive and productive town member, I'll listen. So show me a game where he had a large and productive filter that you were in (you being in it is important because otherwise it'll be post-hoc). If you don't have that knowledge currently, this feels kind of weird from you. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 27 2023 18:26 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't think you can convince me that he's a better lynch than VE, and I'm not really sure what has you convinced. I don't really place any stock in vivax's read. I don't know vivax other than that as doctor he managed to die d1. I don't see LS as having so much internal logic you get to have strong reads on them. If you can show me that right now, you (DP) have the knowledge that actually LS is capable of being a proactive and productive town member, I'll listen. So show me a game where he had a large and productive filter that you were in (you being in it is important because otherwise it'll be post-hoc). If you don't have that knowledge currently, this feels kind of weird from you. I haven’t played that much with him I think. The fact that he is clearly performative in that post in a way that doesn’t make sense with his level of engagement and later on he starts soft pushing me with night kill wifom only to back track as soon as questioned, speaks to a lack of conviction for what he is saying, would someone with so little conviction actually care so much to react to a night kill In that way?! It just doesn’t make any sense in terms of motivation. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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With players like I'm pigeonholing LS as, their variance is high. So that 10% scummer move is more like a 2-10% scummer move depending on the day. But with VE, he's just blatantly led a lynch D1, while being the sort of player who would do that as scum. He's had absolutely shocking posts where he confidently asserts dumb shit. He's tried to sheep at any chance he can. He hasn't shown any curiosity at all. He's about as red as someone can be, but nEvEr MiNd GuYs he's just crazy like that. No, he's scummy. And I'm sick of pretending he's not. Unless you know something I don't about VE, I don't really see how you can ignore this flagrant shittery. | ||
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TankTopTiger
509 Posts
You talk about lack of engagement, but VE has been more present while demonstrating similar engagement (he's accusing but not searching). You say LS lacks conviction but VE is just pretending to have conviction. I just don't get it. If VE weren't right in front of me I'd probably be taking your case seriously rn but it's been eclipsed. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 27 2023 18:50 TankTopTiger wrote: You talk about LS being clearly performative, but VE is more performative. You talk about lack of engagement, but VE has been more present while demonstrating similar engagement (he's accusing but not searching). You say LS lacks conviction but VE is just pretending to have conviction. I just don't get it. If VE weren't right in front of me I'd probably be taking your case seriously rn but it's been eclipsed. Yeah but I remember playing with ve and he is just like that imo | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 27 2023 18:53 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah but I remember playing with ve and he is just like that imo Not saying he is town I’m saying it’s more of a coin flip. And he is performative in a way kind of like a troll (doesn’t give a fuck happily antagonistic) LS is performative in a way that he is trying to fit inn with what he thinks a town should do. | ||
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