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Like I said. My townreads and mafia reads just split up in 2 wagons while I was sleeping.
This is the most amazing thing I have ever witnessed and I have 2 kids.
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On May 25 2023 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:44 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.
That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time. How does that make me mafia? Also you were not that helpful if I recall On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch. I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1. This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like, then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess. That's not really fun, nor is it convincing.
The fun is over when you fuck over your 3 townleaders friends.
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On May 25 2023 18:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:44 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".
But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3. Can you quote what you’re talking about here Koshi? From my filter or his? I mean 4-5 people were townreading LS without any real basis and DP came back with a gigant post saying LS isn't as townie as we should think.
He wasn't and isn't. I'm glad you acknowledge that.
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On May 25 2023 18:48 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:44 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.
That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time. How does that make me mafia? Also you were not that helpful if I recall On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch. I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1. This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like, I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess. That's not really fun, nor is it convincing. The fun is over when you fuck over your 3 townleaders friends.
The fun is over when you behave like this honestly.
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On May 25 2023 18:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:45 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:44 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".
But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3. Can you quote what you’re talking about here Koshi? From my filter or his? I mean 4-5 people were townreading LS without any real basis and DP came back with a gigant post saying LS isn't as townie as we should think. He wasn't and isn't. I'm glad you acknowledge that.
I know. That's why it was a good play by you my mafia friend.
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On May 25 2023 18:48 Koshi wrote:
Like I said. My townreads and mafia reads just split up in 2 wagons while I was sleeping.
This is the most amazing thing I have ever witnessed and I have 2 kids.
Confirmation bias, too confident, inconsistent with ideas before flip.
Bad.
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On May 25 2023 18:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:49 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:45 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:44 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".
But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3. Can you quote what you’re talking about here Koshi? From my filter or his? I mean 4-5 people were townreading LS without any real basis and DP came back with a gigant post saying LS isn't as townie as we should think. He wasn't and isn't. I'm glad you acknowledge that. I know. That's why it was a good play by you my mafia friend.
OK, well you can vote for me then and I can vote for you, and otherwise I will ignore you because if you are town then this is pointless, and if you are mafia I think you have slipped up a bit.
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On May 25 2023 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:48 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:44 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.
That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time. How does that make me mafia? Also you were not that helpful if I recall On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch. I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1. This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like, I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess. That's not really fun, nor is it convincing. The fun is over when you fuck over your 3 townleaders friends. The fun is over when you behave like this honestly.
Yes it is the egg en chicken story.
You betrayed us.
Now there is this.
marv is a gentle soul. Talk to him.
He is way less vindictive than I am.
Well he isn't at all.
And I am 101%
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On May 25 2023 18:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:48 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:44 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.
That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time. How does that make me mafia? Also you were not that helpful if I recall On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch. I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1. This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like, I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess. That's not really fun, nor is it convincing. The fun is over when you fuck over your 3 townleaders friends. The fun is over when you behave like this honestly. Yes it is the egg en chicken story. You betrayed us. Now there is this. marv is a gentle soul. Talk to him. He is way less vindictive than I am. Well he isn't at all. And I am 101%
Well I addressed this earlier, but I think if you are town, this is actually a result of ego and hurt pride rather than a genuine effort to determine my alignment, or anyone else's for that matter.
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Even if you think Koshi is being bad right now, DP, do you genuinely believe these reactions make him mafia? You’ve played together before right?
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On May 25 2023 18:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:48 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:44 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.
That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time. How does that make me mafia? Also you were not that helpful if I recall On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch. I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1. This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like, I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess. That's not really fun, nor is it convincing. The fun is over when you fuck over your 3 townleaders friends. The fun is over when you behave like this honestly. Yes it is the egg en chicken story. You betrayed us. Now there is this. marv is a gentle soul. Talk to him.
He is way less vindictive than I am. Well he isn't at all. And I am 101%
Never thought I’d see the day someone characterised my play like this :p
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The Koshi is (skilled) Mafia argument.
Marv and DP consider MZ lynch:
On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.
MZ still lovely lynch. Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you. You guys are so gullible or just mafia. Holy mozes. She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new - She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally- She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying- lolololololololol fml
On May 24 2023 20:52 Koshi wrote:
Ok. So marv and dp are mafia or teamed up with mafia.
Call us both mafia,
On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch.
Feels very strongly about a DMB lynch, which is fine
On May 24 2023 21:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 21:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 24 2023 21:07 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 19:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 24 2023 19:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Of Marv? end of the World Party Mafia , murder on the Cruise Mafia. in the cruise one some people really seemd pissed of about marv. checked also a few other but just little bit. did you fucking fact check this DP??? Or are you just being lazy mafia? I won that game as mafia and marv was owned On October 15 2016 06:01 beentheredonethat wrote:Endgame
scott31337, Vanilla Town, has been lynched.
The mafia is victorious! Congratulations to a flawless victory to...
Oatsmaster (Roleblocker)
justanothertownie (Goon)
Koshi (Framer)
A big thank you to my co-hosts, first of all Rels, and thanks to everyone who played and commented in obs QT! 
Observer QTScum QTBoth QTs are worth a read! On October 15 2016 08:01 Skynx wrote:Koshi your scumplay is about to reach Superbia levels of out-thereness On October 15 2016 08:25 Half the Sky wrote:gg wp scum......koshi....you're tearing it up. Reading your filters, it'd been hard to make a case on either you or JAT the way it was going, only thing noticable is that you weren't driving lynches like you normally do as town. But IDK that argument alone would have ever gotten you lynched esp before the lynchbait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafiaFYI, next game up for signups will close Monday or Tuesday if you are up for a themed game.
Other factors like Palmar and Marvellosity being afk for long times also nurtured the scum win but especially Koshi played a great game in my perception. Regarding justanothertownie: being the most active scum by far, I think he did a good job in driving a mislynch and averting lynch attempts that were aimed towards him. Still, having access to host QT, I think it would help jat to take a step back from the game and not be ad hom towards his teammates but that's just my impression.
Yeah I saw he didn't win, but you still going hard on him when you go through the posts their. Def. not lazy Who was going hard on marv? Nobody. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 22:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Marv is town for the record. Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason. Like you on Vivax and rayn? It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia... THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE WITH READING CRUISE MAFIA. SHE IS LYING 1) Shown potential TMI twice 2) Shiting up thread 3) Lying 4) trash reads that don't get updated when confronted
DMB is lying and obvious scum, and Marv and DP must be scum for not wanting to lynch her.
On May 24 2023 21:19 Koshi wrote:
She types X.
She gets called out on X
She says I read cruise mafia and people were angry at marv and that is why I wrote X
When looking at it, it doesn't make any sense why she would write X after reading cruise mafia.
DP and marv: "seems legit, super town, wouldn't lynch, effort was shown"
After calling us scum, then reacts as if we are both town, because he is framing us as having an analytical mindset which one will only have as town, this is inconsistent and basically makes no sense.
On May 24 2023 21:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 21:18 Vivax wrote:
That was a good post about marv though. Mafia marv while less motivated always was a super tough lynch.
I don‘t know how she would know that but in case of a genuine guess it was spot on.
Probably from seeing him get pressured for no reason, which is also why I thought mb scum = marv town. Not uncommon that mafia go against the grain when they see a townie under pressure for what they know is nothing. Instead she says she made the read because she read cruise mafia in which marv was afk town and I won as mafia. So how does it compute that I am angry at marv for scamming me ??? Lies lies lies lies lies lies lies
DMB is still a liar and mafia.
On May 24 2023 23:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 24 2023 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I was not town for her at that time.
The other person must be rayn or DP and they were not town for her at that time.
So she went to check some magical previous game in which she found the exact scenario in which mafia!marv owned us and we are still butthurt about it and she writes "new game guis don't be buuthurt" which fucking indicates she reads the attackers as town. Can someone explain to me what this is about? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 22:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Marv is town for the record. Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason. Like you on Vivax and rayn? It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia... The question is if what she wrote here is saying that marv scammed us means that marv was mafia and we were fooled. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 19:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 24 2023 19:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Of Marv? end of the World Party Mafia , murder on the Cruise Mafia. in the cruise one some people really seemd pissed of about marv. checked also a few other but just little bit. Then there is this. Which may or may not tie to her previous comment but here she says that in cruise some people were pissed of at marv. So I do 1+1 and tie both comments together and see the second comment as some sort of explanation why she made the first comment. Then I checked the cruise game. And the explanation doesn't hold water because marv wasn't even mafia that game and lost as inactive town.
On May 25 2023 03:37 Koshi wrote:
imagine marv being mafia and going for the obvious mafia misslynch MZ and getting flak from town!MZ the entire game for it.
Wifom about Marv's MZ lynch.
On May 25 2023 03:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort. This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got?
Calls MZ town.
On May 25 2023 03:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:43 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 03:39 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort. This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got? Do you have anything else on MZ town-wise. I’m fairly keen not to spend my time tunnelling a townie for however long if that is indeed the case. No sadly not. I don't think he is townie tbh. I just think he is such an obvious lynch that I don't know if he was mafia he would just open so badly we all gut read him mafia.
Backtracks with any pressure at all from marv, who literally he was calling mafia posts ago, with no explanation or reason for this change.
On May 25 2023 03:59 Koshi wrote:
Must say MZ when MZ is in the thread he engages with his reads and is figuring things out. First with VE and then marv. And all those interactions were pretty ok. Legit stuff, pressuring the person he is talking to and try to figure them out.
He is pretty ok now that I think of it.
MZ is ok.
On May 25 2023 04:17 Koshi wrote:
Can we lynch people on their birthday? That sounds against the rules.
Koshi abcktracking because its her birthday??
SO now, the obv mafia DMB is not the lynch because it is her birthday, and because Chezinu is a question mark. Does this sound like someone who was rabidly calling her obvious scum and a lair and other players scum for considering other options?
Its not genuine regardless.
On May 25 2023 04:27 Koshi wrote:
Staying on mebaby I meant.
But its ok he is staying on MBB
On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.
All of a sudden, Koshi is sheeping marv, someone he called mafia, onto MZ someone he called town or townie, for what I can see no real reasons aside from maybe consolodation, but even then was not directing the vote onto Chezinu who ostensibly he thought should be lynched not long prior to this massive backflip.
At this point he leaves the thread, openly states he hasn't read any of the posts that he has missed and comes back with:
On May 25 2023 16:00 Koshi wrote:
I must thank you for making this game memorable. This is truly amazing. Never could I have imagined that a wagon with marv, koshi,rayn and Vivax could be overtrown after the D1 we had.
But you did it.
Even more amazing if you did this with 3 mafia on MZ and MZ town.
That's sickly amazing. To fuck over town leaders and most active people and get the town doctor lynch.
Amazing.
On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first.
He wants to lynch us all, without cause or analysis, over a mislynch he clearly cared little about, and had no stated reasoning behind his vote other than he was lost and wanted to sheep Marv,
I realize this will probably get dismissed because of meta or feel reads, and I understand that, But I hope that the town will at least consider how very wrong Koshi has been playing since the first part of the game, particularly his filter after I suggested I would sheep MZ, and at least reconsider him when considering how the games plays out in the days ahead.
WE can all agree that he is a skilled player, he could be doing this as scum, and the dramatic fall off in play, and actively trying to determine people's alignment, to protecting his thread presence and "circle" of close players is bad.
Bad bad bad.
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On May 25 2023 19:10 marvellosity wrote:
Even if you think Koshi is being bad right now, DP, do you genuinely believe these reactions make him mafia? You’ve played together before right?
I think so but I can't remember him at all.
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On May 25 2023 18:45 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 18:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:36 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:35 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious? Just putting it out there. I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please. Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad? And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either. On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.
MZ still lovely lynch. Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you. You guys are so gullible or just mafia. Holy mozes. She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new - She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally- She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying- lolololololololol fml On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby. This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong. OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad. wow what shall I do. No more townread from DP. lolololololololololololol Are you mafia? If you or Koshi are Mafia i am goeing to take the toilette and throw it out of the window. The mafia would be the 2 most activ writer here. I would be so pissed of about that
screams lurker
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I dont see how most of that could make him mafia? For example you are misrepresenting a couple of bits - for example where you say he calls MZ town. In that post he is speaking as if he is MZ and callling himself town, you can see that right? Koshi is pretty consistent on MZ most of the game. And interacts with me when I question him when he appears to be softening.
I also think the drop off DMB was a natural one. There’s no reason a mafia Koshi needs to do this.
Just can’t see anywhere in what you wrote why it makes Koshi mafia.
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On May 25 2023 19:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 19:10 marvellosity wrote:
Even if you think Koshi is being bad right now, DP, do you genuinely believe these reactions make him mafia? You’ve played together before right? I think so but I can't remember him at all.
Oh as if. I was being sarcastic/rhetorical with the last question!
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On May 25 2023 19:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 19:28 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 19:10 marvellosity wrote:
Even if you think Koshi is being bad right now, DP, do you genuinely believe these reactions make him mafia? You’ve played together before right? I think so but I can't remember him at all. Oh as if. I was being sarcastic/rhetorical with the last question!
I literally can’t though.
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On May 25 2023 19:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 19:36 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 19:28 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 19:10 marvellosity wrote:
Even if you think Koshi is being bad right now, DP, do you genuinely believe these reactions make him mafia? You’ve played together before right? I think so but I can't remember him at all. Oh as if. I was being sarcastic/rhetorical with the last question! I literally can’t though.
Well, highly emotional reactions to such wagons/flips are typical. I’m not saying he can’t do it as mafia, but it’s certainly consistent with his town play as well.
If I’m choosing between you two, you’re definitely not going to like the answer
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On May 25 2023 19:28 DarthPunk wrote:The Koshi is (skilled) Mafia argument. Marv and DP consider MZ lynch: Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.
MZ still lovely lynch. Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you. You guys are so gullible or just mafia. Holy mozes. She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new - She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally- She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying- lolololololololol fml Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 20:52 Koshi wrote:
Ok. So marv and dp are mafia or teamed up with mafia. Call us both mafia, Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "
blahblahblah
I am afk till after lynch. Feels very strongly about a DMB lynch, which is fine Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 21:16 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 21:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 24 2023 21:07 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 19:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 24 2023 19:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Of Marv? end of the World Party Mafia , murder on the Cruise Mafia. in the cruise one some people really seemd pissed of about marv. checked also a few other but just little bit. did you fucking fact check this DP??? Or are you just being lazy mafia? I won that game as mafia and marv was owned On October 15 2016 06:01 beentheredonethat wrote:Endgame
scott31337, Vanilla Town, has been lynched.
The mafia is victorious! Congratulations to a flawless victory to...
Oatsmaster (Roleblocker)
justanothertownie (Goon)
Koshi (Framer)
A big thank you to my co-hosts, first of all Rels, and thanks to everyone who played and commented in obs QT!
Observer QTScum QTBoth QTs are worth a read! On October 15 2016 08:01 Skynx wrote:Koshi your scumplay is about to reach Superbia levels of out-thereness On October 15 2016 08:25 Half the Sky wrote:gg wp scum......koshi....you're tearing it up. Reading your filters, it'd been hard to make a case on either you or JAT the way it was going, only thing noticable is that you weren't driving lynches like you normally do as town. But IDK that argument alone would have ever gotten you lynched esp before the lynchbait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafiaFYI, next game up for signups will close Monday or Tuesday if you are up for a themed game.
Other factors like Palmar and Marvellosity being afk for long times also nurtured the scum win but especially Koshi played a great game in my perception. Regarding justanothertownie: being the most active scum by far, I think he did a good job in driving a mislynch and averting lynch attempts that were aimed towards him. Still, having access to host QT, I think it would help jat to take a step back from the game and not be ad hom towards his teammates but that's just my impression.
Yeah I saw he didn't win, but you still going hard on him when you go through the posts their. Def. not lazy Who was going hard on marv? Nobody. On May 23 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 22:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Marv is town for the record. Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason. Like you on Vivax and rayn? It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia... THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE WITH READING CRUISE MAFIA. SHE IS LYING 1) Shown potential TMI twice 2) Shiting up thread 3) Lying 4) trash reads that don't get updated when confronted DMB is lying and obvious scum, and Marv and DP must be scum for not wanting to lynch her. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 21:19 Koshi wrote:
She types X.
She gets called out on X
She says I read cruise mafia and people were angry at marv and that is why I wrote X
When looking at it, it doesn't make any sense why she would write X after reading cruise mafia.
DP and marv: "seems legit, super town, wouldn't lynch, effort was shown" After calling us scum, then reacts as if we are both town, because he is framing us as having an analytical mindset which one will only have as town, this is inconsistent and basically makes no sense. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 21:27 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 21:18 Vivax wrote:
That was a good post about marv though. Mafia marv while less motivated always was a super tough lynch.
I don‘t know how she would know that but in case of a genuine guess it was spot on.
Probably from seeing him get pressured for no reason, which is also why I thought mb scum = marv town. Not uncommon that mafia go against the grain when they see a townie under pressure for what they know is nothing. Instead she says she made the read because she read cruise mafia in which marv was afk town and I won as mafia. So how does it compute that I am angry at marv for scamming me ??? Lies lies lies lies lies lies lies DMB is still a liar and mafia. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 23:46 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 24 2023 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I was not town for her at that time.
The other person must be rayn or DP and they were not town for her at that time.
So she went to check some magical previous game in which she found the exact scenario in which mafia!marv owned us and we are still butthurt about it and she writes "new game guis don't be buuthurt" which fucking indicates she reads the attackers as town. Can someone explain to me what this is about? On May 23 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 22:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Marv is town for the record. Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason. Like you on Vivax and rayn? It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia... The question is if what she wrote here is saying that marv scammed us means that marv was mafia and we were fooled. On May 24 2023 19:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 24 2023 19:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Of Marv? end of the World Party Mafia , murder on the Cruise Mafia. in the cruise one some people really seemd pissed of about marv. checked also a few other but just little bit. Then there is this. Which may or may not tie to her previous comment but here she says that in cruise some people were pissed of at marv. So I do 1+1 and tie both comments together and see the second comment as some sort of explanation why she made the first comment. Then I checked the cruise game. And the explanation doesn't hold water because marv wasn't even mafia that game and lost as inactive town. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:37 Koshi wrote:
imagine marv being mafia and going for the obvious mafia misslynch MZ and getting flak from town!MZ the entire game for it. Wifom about Marv's MZ lynch. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:39 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort. This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got? Calls MZ town. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:47 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 03:43 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 03:39 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
On a more general, higher level about the whole game;
Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out.
So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here.
Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort. This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got? Do you have anything else on MZ town-wise. I’m fairly keen not to spend my time tunnelling a townie for however long if that is indeed the case. No sadly not. I don't think he is townie tbh. I just think he is such an obvious lynch that I don't know if he was mafia he would just open so badly we all gut read him mafia. Backtracks with any pressure at all from marv, who literally he was calling mafia posts ago, with no explanation or reason for this change. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 03:59 Koshi wrote:
Must say MZ when MZ is in the thread he engages with his reads and is figuring things out. First with VE and then marv. And all those interactions were pretty ok. Legit stuff, pressuring the person he is talking to and try to figure them out.
He is pretty ok now that I think of it. MZ is ok. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 04:17 Koshi wrote:
Can we lynch people on their birthday? That sounds against the rules. Koshi abcktracking because its her birthday?? SO now, the obv mafia DMB is not the lynch because it is her birthday, and because Chezinu is a question mark. Does this sound like someone who was rabidly calling her obvious scum and a lair and other players scum for considering other options? Its not genuine regardless. But its ok he is staying on MBB Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby. All of a sudden, Koshi is sheeping marv, someone he called mafia, onto MZ someone he called town or townie, for what I can see no real reasons aside from maybe consolodation, but even then was not directing the vote onto Chezinu who ostensibly he thought should be lynched not long prior to this massive backflip. At this point he leaves the thread, openly states he hasn't read any of the posts that he has missed and comes back with: Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 16:00 Koshi wrote:
I must thank you for making this game memorable. This is truly amazing. Never could I have imagined that a wagon with marv, koshi,rayn and Vivax could be overtrown after the D1 we had.
But you did it.
Even more amazing if you did this with 3 mafia on MZ and MZ town.
That's sickly amazing. To fuck over town leaders and most active people and get the town doctor lynch.
Amazing. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. He wants to lynch us all, without cause or analysis, over a mislynch he clearly cared little about, and had no stated reasoning behind his vote other than he was lost and wanted to sheep Marv, I realize this will probably get dismissed because of meta or feel reads, and I understand that, But I hope that the town will at least consider how very wrong Koshi has been playing since the first part of the game, particularly his filter after I suggested I would sheep MZ, and at least reconsider him when considering how the games plays out in the days ahead. WE can all agree that he is a skilled player, he could be doing this as scum, and the dramatic fall off in play, and actively trying to determine people's alignment, to protecting his thread presence and "circle" of close players is bad. Bad bad bad.
koshi can´t handle the way how i play as a newbe. Tu much effort, or just the fact that I trolled a little bit in the beginning with discord to find my towncolleges. mafia was at this moment just quiet and laughing about my theorie and town people tried to find my point in this randomshitness. Was easier to me to find townies like you and koshi. I think i have to be voted out to make koshi a pretty nice suprise that he lost another townie.
Anyways I am now really not shure about VE. He was like i don´t vote that after i explained how i tried to find townpeople and was the second person after voting on Vivax. Do mafia know he was doctor? or to they just know that he was town?
also not happy about rayn by the way. in the night he changed his mind as well and voted on vivax.
Reason from him was that V isn´t as paranoid as in the other games. Same reason why i thought he is mafia, but didn´t write it becauce i didn´t want to leek something from his personalty in rl. Why did he do did just in the night from europ. Like he know koshi and dp where sleeping and that V and me also were very tiered at this point.
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Mafia don’t know which townies have which roles, MB
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