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die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
May 25 2023 09:34 GMT
#1341
On May 25 2023 03:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 03:55 die_meatbaby wrote:
On May 25 2023 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
And rayn I'm telling you that in my experience as town in that position figuring out the person's alignment feels important. You showing me why you think it's the opposite doesn't change my read of it, it just tells me you don't give a shit about what I'm saying. And I already knew that, can you see how counterproductive that is?

I am not sure what youre saying here. I am nowhere saying people should not figure out mebaby/Vivax alignment, in fact i am trying to do the opposite. I just know people work in a certain way. Like if i started calling you mafia with shit reasons here and that is all i would do, you would do exactly what Vivax did with mebaby and stop posting other stuff, and almost completely focus on answering my posts only.

It's not alignment indicative, especially towards being mafia. You can think she is town and vivax is mafia, and that's fine, hell you can even be right on that. but there is absolutely no way i am going to agree with you over myself at the moment. the only ways this situation gets "better" is if mebaby (who is already scummy) gets lynched, or she starts doing townie things, or vivax either scumtells or towntells real hard so there is no question about his alignment anymore.

I'm referring specifically to Vivax and meat, not the rest of us.

You may not know this but my ex Becca has played here. I don't know if anyone here played with her, she only played one or two games. But I played Video Mafia with her too and my read on Vivax/meat is specifically based on my meta knowledge of that dynamic.

Okay, and my read on Vivax that he could and maybe even likely would act this way towards mebaby is based on my personal knowledge of dynamic with me and Cake, which has happened.

Like i don't doubt mebaby as town would like to figure out Vivax soooo hard especially in her first game, but the evidence suggests imo, that she's not doing it in a townie way at all. I don't think she actually thinks Vivax is mafia, i think she just wants to lynch him.


Again first game.
got the role. For me it was yeah of course I am town why should they make the new one mafia to risk. Especially after my bf told me this is like a legendary rematch after years.
Found out the roles came automaticly by a software. (information I should get somewhere in rules, because I was never talking to V about the till I got pissed about my language.) Also o just learned by reading here and didn't got explained anything from V expect the fact he wanted to fear me about you guys. Told me you never know with who you playing could be famous people, people working for government and so on, but nothing else.
Second he told few seconds before start maybe I need discord if I get mafia, okey so I found out they talk to each other, makes them more hard to find.
Was trying to read old games saw a few names from here as well. Just thought beeing less active here means less opinion to find mafia. That's the reason why I think V is M
I would never be writing so much and so active if I have do hide, because that's what you do when you hide.

Like I'm not voting this guys you can't make me.



This makes me so suspicious now. You are seeing how everybody thinks that i am mafia, becauce of the i wanted to find townies. you had pity on me becauce i am newbe and got almost kicked out in the first night. Was a really nice from you, but mafia shouldn`t show empathy. You saw the desperate new girl is getting direktly and just wanted to stop that. Nice from you but makes me think about you as m now


Everything has an end only the sausage has two
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:35 GMT
#1342
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?


Just putting it out there.

I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.


Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad?

And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either.
On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.

MZ still lovely lynch.


Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.

You guys are so gullible or just mafia.

Holy mozes.

She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new -
She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally-
She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-


lolololololololol

fml


On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh


Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.



This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong.

OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 09:36 GMT
#1343
On May 25 2023 18:35 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?


Just putting it out there.

I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.


Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad?

And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either.
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.

MZ still lovely lynch.


Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.

You guys are so gullible or just mafia.

Holy mozes.

She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new -
She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally-
She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-


lolololololololol

fml


Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh


Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.



This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong.

OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad.

wow what shall I do. No more townread from DP.
lolololololololololololol
I had a good night of sleep.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:36 GMT
#1344
On May 25 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote:
rayn had some (unbelievably well played if mafia) self-doubt coming up to the lynch, especially without me or Koshi to bounce off.

I think it’s an incredibly natural townie reaction to have that sort of doubt. Honestly the evolution of my play over time has been increasing self doubt. The positive side to that is you tunnel less townies into oblivion. The downside is you tunnel less mafia into oblivion too.

I don’t know what to make of VE’s lack of doubt on Vivax, especially since such active/strong players were voicing doubts to him all day.
Same with MZ’s lack of doubt about me tbh.

Neither are natural to me. But VE is a totally different sort of player to me.


Agreed and this is fine, but what is not fine is flying off the handle and acting like it is super obvious like Koshi is doing. Because it wasn't.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:38 GMT
#1345
On May 25 2023 18:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote:
rayn had some (unbelievably well played if mafia) self-doubt coming up to the lynch, especially without me or Koshi to bounce off.

I think it’s an incredibly natural townie reaction to have that sort of doubt. Honestly the evolution of my play over time has been increasing self doubt. The positive side to that is you tunnel less townies into oblivion. The downside is you tunnel less mafia into oblivion too.

I don’t know what to make of VE’s lack of doubt on Vivax, especially since such active/strong players were voicing doubts to him all day.
Same with MZ’s lack of doubt about me tbh.

Neither are natural to me. But VE is a totally different sort of player to me.


Agreed and this is fine, but what is not fine is flying off the handle and acting like it is super obvious like Koshi is doing. Because it wasn't.


By his own admission no less he was feeling lost, and now he comes in acting all self-righteous when we don't even know MZ's alignment?

Is he actually just butthurt that he didn't get the lynch he wanted?

Lmao
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:38 GMT
#1346
On May 25 2023 18:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?


Just putting it out there.

I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.


Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad?

And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either.
On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.

MZ still lovely lynch.


Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.

You guys are so gullible or just mafia.

Holy mozes.

She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new -
She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally-
She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-


lolololololololol

fml


On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh


Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.



This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong.

OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad.

wow what shall I do. No more townread from DP.
lolololololololololololol


Are you mafia?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 09:39 GMT
#1347
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.

That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 09:40 GMT
#1348
On May 25 2023 18:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:36 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?


Just putting it out there.

I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.


Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad?

And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either.
On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.

MZ still lovely lynch.


Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.

You guys are so gullible or just mafia.

Holy mozes.

She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new -
She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally-
She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-


lolololololololol

fml


On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh


Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.



This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong.

OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad.

wow what shall I do. No more townread from DP.
lolololololololololololol


Are you mafia?

Yes please lynch or shoot me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 09:42 GMT
#1349
Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".

But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3.
I had a good night of sleep.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:42 GMT
#1350
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.

That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS


OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.

How does that make me mafia?

Also you were not that helpful if I recall

On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "


blahblahblah



I am afk till after lynch.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 09:42 GMT
#1351
The last scenario is so much more fun.
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 09:42 GMT
#1352
On May 25 2023 18:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote:
rayn had some (unbelievably well played if mafia) self-doubt coming up to the lynch, especially without me or Koshi to bounce off.

I think it’s an incredibly natural townie reaction to have that sort of doubt. Honestly the evolution of my play over time has been increasing self doubt. The positive side to that is you tunnel less townies into oblivion. The downside is you tunnel less mafia into oblivion too.

I don’t know what to make of VE’s lack of doubt on Vivax, especially since such active/strong players were voicing doubts to him all day.
Same with MZ’s lack of doubt about me tbh.

Neither are natural to me. But VE is a totally different sort of player to me.


Agreed and this is fine, but what is not fine is flying off the handle and acting like it is super obvious like Koshi is doing. Because it wasn't.


By his own admission no less he was feeling lost, and now he comes in acting all self-righteous when we don't even know MZ's alignment?

Is he actually just butthurt that he didn't get the lynch he wanted?

Lmao

I mean why not. I hate that I didn’t get to find out if I was right
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 09:44 GMT
#1353
On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".

But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3.

Can you quote what you’re talking about here Koshi?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 09:44 GMT
#1354
On May 25 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.

That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS


OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.

How does that make me mafia?

Also you were not that helpful if I recall

Show nested quote +
On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "


blahblahblah



I am afk till after lynch.


I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1.
I had a good night of sleep.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:44 GMT
#1355
On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".

But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3.


Unfortunately for you, you didn't catch me.


Unfortunately for me: WW3
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 09:45 GMT
#1356
On May 25 2023 18:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS".

But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3.

Can you quote what you’re talking about here Koshi?

From my filter or his?

I mean 4-5 people were townreading LS without any real basis and DP came back with a gigant post saying LS isn't as townie as we should think.
I had a good night of sleep.
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
May 25 2023 09:45 GMT
#1357
On May 25 2023 18:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:36 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?


Just putting it out there.

I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.


Can you seriously explain this Koshi if it was so obviously bad?

And its not like you thought MZ was obviously scum either.
On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 24 2023 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m less happy with a MB vote after her recent posts. Looks like she made an effort, researched, and thought about the game a bit. I would dislike a policy lynch, anyone voting MB needs to do so only because they think she has the best chance of flipping mafia.

MZ still lovely lynch.


Agreed. maybe ill just sheep you.

You guys are so gullible or just mafia.

Holy mozes.

She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new -
She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally-
She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying-


lolololololololol

fml


On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh


Ok I am following daddy marv.
I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby.



This does not scream obvious lynch or extreme confidence , at all and now you are trying to lynch 6 or 7 players because we were wrong.

OK I actually revoke my town read on you. This is too bad.

wow what shall I do. No more townread from DP.
lolololololololololololol


Are you mafia?


If you or Koshi are Mafia i am goeing to take the toilette and throw it out of the window. The mafia would be the 2 most activ writer here. I would be so pissed of about that
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 09:46 GMT
#1358
On May 25 2023 05:39 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i think we should at least consider some other lynch.

It's me you and marv here and every fucking other soul disappeared when we were lynching mebaby and marv said if it comes to that he agrees. Why?

Look. I want her flipped.
The closer to deadline the more she changed her "fuck you all" attitude and started to post reasonable and asked town a couple times to not vote her out.

Then as soon as I opened up to not get her lynched, she left while basically emotionally blackmailing town with the exact thing I was advocating for her not to get lynched. (birthday)

I mean... That is pretty treacherous or what's the word.


I can see her last 12 hours giving it all after getting some positive feedback in mafia QT and her not wanting to let her taemmates down.

As town, I more likely would expect her to continue to be vicious and angry. She would be alone and why break character?

Or maybe Vivax his vote and some posts made her revisit her actions.


Like... I don't want to not lynch her for some off chance VE and MZ are mafia together or something.

LS felt ok. He always does the meta stuff. I think he would feel slightly more off as mafia? Not so friendly maybe? Also the pushback on him feels mafia panicking that there are too many confirmed townies.

I am fine with Vivax, rayn, marv

I don't know about VE.
My head doesn't want to understand MZ for some reason. Only surface.
DP could be a very good mafia. Active and doing slight modifications on thread sentiment. (Like not letting LS be easy townread and was quickly to call Mebaby town, just to 180 as soon as I pushed back on the idea; then hid behind the 180 because you also did an 180)

Then there is the lurkers and slam.


I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 09:47 GMT
#1359
Like look at this fucking post. What a brilliant motherfucker I am and I was sleep and brain deprived
I had a good night of sleep.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 25 2023 09:47 GMT
#1360
On May 25 2023 18:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2023 18:39 Koshi wrote:
Of course everything is possible before a flip.
Even when I read a game perfectly I still have the other voices in my head talking about 3 other scenarios that I must ignore.

That and actually lynching Vivax with VE, mebaby, MZ, Onegu which are your fucking townreads and town leaders most questionable people in the game is HILARIOUS


OK then, so you decided to sheep marv, and I considered it and then read the thread and obth the lynch targets filters again and made a decision to lynch the one I thought looked less actively town at the time.

How does that make me mafia?

Also you were not that helpful if I recall

On May 24 2023 21:12 Koshi wrote:
marv and dp: "but she is new and she was on her meds and she tried "


blahblahblah



I am afk till after lynch.


I literally do not care about words, filters and logic anymore when talking to you. You voted Vivax when rayn, marv and myself were on MZ and we had a great time during D1.


This is so arrogant it's distasteful, just because you three had iron clad scum reads on MZ (hint only marv did) and made such strong arguments like,
I am lost im going to sheep daddy marv
then I should not have the gall to come up with my own analysis of the game? I should have bowed down to your obvious (to you) prowess.

That's not really fun, nor is it convincing.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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